RFK Witness Claims 2nd Shooter

[Grahambo]

RFK assassination witness tells CNN: There was a second shooter - CNN

Would love to have a discussion with the intelligent IE community in regards to JFK/RFK.

 

[STLDomer]

Robert would have been a great president, that is all.

 

[jimmymac]

The JFK assassination is one of the most intriguing events in the history of the United States in my opinion.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

The JFK assassination is one of the most intriguing events in the history of the United States in my opinion.

True, but the article is about his brother, Robert.

 

[BestBIrish47]

I really thought Kevin Cossner was going to unravel who shot JFK.....almost.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Thirteen Days is a very good movie.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

If you want to know more about JFK, RFK, the Vietnam war, and the whole Kennedy Brain Trust, you should check out the book The Best and The Brightest by David Halberstram. Halberstram gets an inside look into the way things ran in the JFK administration, into the minds of his closest advisors, and into the reasons for the Vietnam war. I'm reading it right now, and I can tell you it's a fascinating read

 

[Buster Bluth]

Thirteen Days is a very good movie.

A very good movie!

 

[BGIF]

True, but the article is about his brother, Robert.

True, but the OP wrote,

Would love to have a discussion with the intelligent IE community in regards to JFK/RFK.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I did a little research myself out on the grassy knoll.
Findings: inconclusive.
Do I think one man could've made those shots?
Yes (I believe I could twenty years ago).
Of course I would've fired as he approached the building not after he passed.
Do I think one man made those shots?
No.

 

[ClausentoTate]

3 bullets in 7 seconds. Had to be a second shooter. #tinfoilhat

 

[IrishinTN]

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Look in the background in the bush on the grassy knoll during the historic footage. There is definitely a second spitter.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I personally believe that if someone can explain Ruby the case is entirely closed. Everything else has been debunked or discredited.

 

[irishpat183]

Mafia hit. Plain and simple. They hated the Kennedys.

Mafia hired Oswald, and then contracted Ruby to off Oswald so he wouldn't end up spilling the beans in some made for TV movie one day.

 

[Veer option]

Regarding JFK there are too many inconsistencies in the Warren commission report to completely negate that there wasn't a conspiracy to kill JFK. Unless we are to believe that the FBI, SS, Dallas PD, and the staff at Parkland Hospital were horribly incompetent and corrupt.


So creepy

 

[irishog77]

Dshans, with the rifle, in the depository. Or the knoll. Take your pick on where he was.

 

[Black Irish]

Mafia hit. Plain and simple. They hated the Kennedys.

Mafia hired Oswald, and then contracted Ruby to off Oswald so he wouldn't end up spilling the beans in some made for TV movie one day.

It would have made more sense for the mob to kill Bobby Kennedy, since he was the one who had it out for them. JFK was not the moral absolutist Bobby was so he indulged his brother with letting him run his anti-mob crusade. The mob could've compromised JFK severely without having to kill him. With the amount of skirt-chasing JFK did, I'm sure the mob could've gotten his number and backed him off their interests (think the scene with Senator Geary from "The Godfather 2").

 

[Dacian_Irish]

JFK was murdered because he stopped listening to the people who really run this country. At the time our currency was not backed by anything and he attached it to silver.. He took a lot of power from the federal reserve. As soon as he was out of the picture the currency was not backed by silver any longer. Look it up!

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I think part of the intrigue behind the killing is the narrative.

It's basically "let's assume some larger organization was behind the killing. Okay, now based on motive who would that most likely have been."

It's a fun game, but in terms of fact-finding, scientific inquiry and Occam's Razor it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You can't just assume something larger "had to be" behind it and then link them via motive. There needs to be a direct evidential link.

Triggers are pulled by people with fingers, and we know he was shot, so any link must start there.

 

[Grahambo]

I suppose I'll have to meet my Maker in order to find out.

 

[Irish Fam]

I have watched a few documentaries about the JFK assassination. The shooter could definitely get 3 shots off in that amount of time. The decision to wait for Kennedy to turn the corner is strange though.

The Secret Service agents who were walking along the back fenders of the car were further back from the car than usual by around 10 feet if a remember correctly.

One of the most interesting moments in the history of the world imo.

 

[Black Irish]

JFK was murdered because he stopped listening to the people who really run this country. At the time our currency was not backed by anything and he attached it to silver.. He took a lot of power from the federal reserve. As soon as he was out of the picture the currency was not backed by silver any longer. Look it up!

So Alan Greenspan was on the grassy knoll?

 

[RubberSoul]

JFK was assassinated by a severely depressed man who had accomplished nothing in life. He wanted to do something great and be remembered. Anyone who thinks anybody would conspire with the likes of Oswald or ruby are fooling themselves. Both were incompetent people.
Oswald was, however, an ex marine and a fine shooter.

RFK was assassinated by a Palestinian immigrant named sirhan sirhan. He was upset with RFK's pro Israeli stance, saw that he could get elected, and simply shot him at close range. Remember, there was no secret service for candidates at the time.

As difficult as it is for conspiracy mongerers like Oliver Stone to believe, it really is that simple.

 

[dshans]

Dshans, with the rifle, in the depository. Or the knoll. Take your pick on where he was.

That's dshans, dammit, NOT Dshans!!!

Not to throw an aluminum foil hat over your theory, but the only time I've been in Dallas other than the Cotton Bowl 1/1/71, has been waiting on connecting flights at DFW International.

I was an 11 year old 5th grader when Jack went down. An announcement came over the intercom in my classroom telling us all to say a prayer for the President. No real explanation was offered. In short order we were herded to the church for an emergency Rosary. That's when we were told that JFK had been shot and killed. Heady stuff for a kid. I was watching television news coverage of Oswald being transferred from the courthouse back to the jail when Jack Ruby stepped up. Not fun and not at all conducive to the facts seeing the light of day.

I was completing my junior year of high school when Bobby went down. When my clock radio alarm woke me with "... Kennedy was shot and killed ..." I thought it was some cruel, dumb-*** DJ replaying stories of John's assassination. It took a while for the fog to lift and the new horror to sink in.

As much as I would like all facts surrounding both incidents to come to light, it wouldn't change the fact that both men were tragically killed at early ages. One shooter, two shooters – fifteen shooters; the outcome is unchanged.

I know that for many of you these "episodes" are but pages in a history book or a mere footnote in an article or blog. Not so for me. They are a very real part of my life, my being. The list of good people cut down, which includes Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Benazir Bhutto is far too long.

I apologize if any find this post too long or too somber. My tears, after all these years, are very real. I may be getting old but I remember and I feel.

 

[RubberSoul]

That's dshans, dammit, NOT Dshans!!!

Not to throw an aluminum foil hat over your theory, but the only time I've been in Dallas other than the Cotton Bowl 1/1/71, has been waiting on connecting flights at DFW International.

I was an 11 year old 5th grader when Jack went down. An announcement came over the intercom in my classroom telling us all to say a prayer for the President. No real explanation was offered. In short order we were herded to the church for an emergency Rosary. That's when we were told that JFK had been shot and killed. Heady stuff for a kid. I was watching television news coverage of Oswald being transferred from the courthouse back to the jail when Jack Ruby stepped up. Not fun and not at all conducive to the facts seeing the light of day.

I was completing my junior year of high school when Bobby went down. When my clock radio alarm woke me with "... Kennedy was shot and killed ..." I thought it was some cruel, dumb-*** DJ replaying stories of John's assassination. It took a while for the fog to lift and the new horror to sink in.

As much as I would like all facts surrounding both incidents to come to light, it wouldn't change the fact that both men were tragically killed at early ages. One shooter, two shooters – fifteen shooters; the outcome is unchanged.

I know that for many of you these "episodes" are but pages in a history book or a mere footnote in an article or blog. Not so for me. They are a very real part of my life, my being. The list of good people cut down, which includes Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Benazir Bhutto is far too long.

I apologize if any find this post too long or too somber. My tears, after all these years, are very real. I may be getting old but I remember and I feel.

Can you imagine how people in the north felt when Lincoln was assasinated?

 

[Grahambo]

That's dshans, dammit, NOT Dshans!!!

Not to throw an aluminum foil hat over your theory, but the only time I've been in Dallas other than the Cotton Bowl 1/1/71, has been waiting on connecting flights at DFW International.

I was an 11 year old 5th grader when Jack went down. An announcement came over the intercom in my classroom telling us all to say a prayer for the President. No real explanation was offered. In short order we were herded to the church for an emergency Rosary. That's when we were told that JFK had been shot and killed. Heady stuff for a kid. I was watching television news coverage of Oswald being transferred from the courthouse back to the jail when Jack Ruby stepped up. Not fun and not at all conducive to the facts seeing the light of day.

I was completing my junior year of high school when Bobby went down. When my clock radio alarm woke me with "... Kennedy was shot and killed ..." I thought it was some cruel, dumb-*** DJ replaying stories of John's assassination. It took a while for the fog to lift and the new horror to sink in.

As much as I would like all facts surrounding both incidents to come to light, it wouldn't change the fact that both men were tragically killed at early ages. One shooter, two shooters – fifteen shooters; the outcome is unchanged.

I know that for many of you these "episodes" are but pages in a history book or a mere footnote in an article or blog. Not so for me. They are a very real part of my life, my being. The list of good people cut down, which includes Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Benazir Bhutto is far too long.

I apologize if any find this post too long or too somber. My tears, after all these years, are very real. I may be getting old but I remember and I feel.

I'm a big history buff so listening to others talk about the past is an absolute treasure to me. Please, don't stop talking about historic events if you know about them. That would be a crime.

 

[Opus]

It would have made more sense for the mob to kill Bobby Kennedy, since he was the one who had it out for them. JFK was not the moral absolutist Bobby was so he indulged his brother with letting him run his anti-mob crusade. The mob could've compromised JFK severely without having to kill him. With the amount of skirt-chasing JFK did, I'm sure the mob could've gotten his number and backed him off their interests (think the scene with Senator Geary from "The Godfather 2").

Actually it made sense to kill John and not Bobby. If the mafia killed Bobby then John remains president and would probably have gone after the mafia as hard, or harder, than Bobby did. Plus it was well known that Lyndon Johnson hated the Kennedy's and Bobby left the Attorney General post in 1964 to run for Senate. I think the old saying "cut off the head and the body dies" applies here. Kill the president and their biggest problem (Bobby) goes away.

 

[TDHeysus]

Would love to have a discussion with the intelligent IE community in regards to JFK/RFK.

you unknowingly struck something of a passion of mine....JFK/RFK and all those assasinations of the 60's (crazy how all those super famous ppl were killed in a 6 year period, hmmmm. unprecidented)

3 bullets in 7 seconds. Had to be a second shooter. #tinfoilhat

it was more like 8.3 seconds...it doesnt sound like a huge difference, but forensically it is. especially for someone with Oswalds proven, documented accuracy with a rifle (in the army, scored 95's at 200 yard targets). Oswald could have very easily got off 3 rounds, accurately in that time. dont watch Oliver Stone's movie if you want facts, the movie famously skews the time of the shot intervals, and other half/partial truths. I like the movie, its interesting, but not factual, its hollywood's interpretation of the facts

I personally believe that if someone can explain Ruby the case is entirely closed. Everything else has been debunked or discredited.

I am very much a 'history nerd' especially the WWII/Marilyn Monroe/JFK/MalcomX/RFK/MLK, jr era. (1939-1968)

I agree most of the JFK assassination has been debunked in my head; for me, the one thing that is not fully debunked for me is how JFK's head jerks in a backward motion when being shot from behind.

Jack Ruby was a 'never-was', small-town hoodrat, small time wannabe pimp/hustler; not to be confused with a mafia gangster. He was never part of the mafia, but always wanted to be. The mafia wouldnt have him, he was basically a bumbling baffon-type who would have never kept his mouth shut to begin with. not good character traits if you want to be associated with the mob. Ruby wanted to be a local town hero, and took the law into his owns hands, as simple and cliche as that sounds, I really believe thats what it was with regards to Ruby. As he famously said as he shot Oswald, "You killed my president, you rat!" (or "that rat killed my president!" something along those lines, it is debated what he said)

My bombshell in all this: J. Edgar Hoover

I believe Hoover was a guy who had a 1930's mindset towards the world, towards minorities, and over anyone the FBI surveyed. he started the FBI in 30's and held that position of power till 1972. In my view, the world had change so much during those years and it was a systemic failure to have someone with 1930's thoughts and Ideas and Ideals into the late 50's, 60's, and 70's. Look at the attitudes towards Black people in the 30's versus the 60's. It was bad to be Black in the 60's, but it was far worse in the 30's. imagine now, those ppl in the 30's still in power in 1972??!?!?!?! FAIL

he stayed in power so long because of the dirt he had on everyone, and bascially black-mailed anyone that challenged him. Mix in his unlimited access/power to the then ultra-secretive FBI (and as a natural extension, the criminal underworld) and you can start to the endless possibilites for J Edgar Hoover to put a hit, and have it completely untracable back anyone. if anyone had the power and means to accomplish assassinations, it was J Edgar Hoover.

Most Everyone has read/heard about all the FBI files becoming unclassified after being sealed for 50 years; the FBI had records on EVERYONE. Those documents tell us that Hoover was 'following' senators, congressman, judges, rock stars, actors, athletes, etc, etc....Hoover had the power, means, motivation and the information to place a hit on anyone.

Marilyn Monroe - a classic case of knowing too much. she was hooked up with JFK, RFK, actors, athletes, and other politicans (sound familiar?). eventually she was going to spill the beans. she had to go.

JFK - him and his pitbull brother were out to take down the mafia. I believe Hoover was connceted to mafia dealings because Hoover had the dirt over mafiaoso's and instead of sending them to prison, Hoover had them do 'work' or 'jobs'. Hoover would lose too much if the mafia was hunted down as the Kennedy's wanted to do. In the middle the Kennedy's taking down the mafia, maybe they would have implicated Hoover (thats pure speculation on my part) In Hoover's eyes, JFK had to go.

Malcolm X - I believe Hoover, with a 1930's mentality, thinking and ideals, was somewhat prejudical towards blacks, and I believe Hoover couldnt have this guy 'rousing up black folks' and ultimately had a hand in the MalcomX killing. I dont know what level Hoover was invloved, but he knew. (this explaination is simplified, but MalcolmX was seen as threat to the white establishement. Imagine what a 40 year-old in 1935 would have thought of a MalcolmX-type doing and saying the things he did and said. well its 1965 and those 1930 ppl are still in power)

RFK - he had the democractic nomination sown up with no incumbant president, RFK was going to be president (he just won california, "and lets go to chicago and win this thing"), and RFK was still a pitbull against the mafia. plus he had unfinished business as far as finding the facts about his brothers assasination. Hoover couldnt let RFK be president. RFK had to go.

MLK, Jr - Obvioulsy very similar to MalcolmX in that he was seen as a threat to the white establishment. 1930 J Edgar Hoover couldnt have 'blacks' empowered and feeling good about themselves. (again a simplified answer, but I am open to debate farther if anyone would like)


That J. Edgar Hoover, IMO, was a bad dude...and I dont mean that in any flattering way whatsoever.

 

[irishog77]

That's dshans, dammit, NOT Dshans!!!

Not to throw an aluminum foil hat over your theory, but the only time I've been in Dallas other than the Cotton Bowl 1/1/71, has been waiting on connecting flights at DFW International.

I was an 11 year old 5th grader when Jack went down. An announcement came over the intercom in my classroom telling us all to say a prayer for the President. No real explanation was offered. In short order we were herded to the church for an emergency Rosary. That's when we were told that JFK had been shot and killed. Heady stuff for a kid. I was watching television news coverage of Oswald being transferred from the courthouse back to the jail when Jack Ruby stepped up. Not fun and not at all conducive to the facts seeing the light of day.

I was completing my junior year of high school when Bobby went down. When my clock radio alarm woke me with "... Kennedy was shot and killed ..." I thought it was some cruel, dumb-*** DJ replaying stories of John's assassination. It took a while for the fog to lift and the new horror to sink in.

As much as I would like all facts surrounding both incidents to come to light, it wouldn't change the fact that both men were tragically killed at early ages. One shooter, two shooters – fifteen shooters; the outcome is unchanged.

I know that for many of you these "episodes" are but pages in a history book or a mere footnote in an article or blog. Not so for me. They are a very real part of my life, my being. The list of good people cut down, which includes Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Benazir Bhutto is far too long.

I apologize if any find this post too long or too somber. My tears, after all these years, are very real. I may be getting old but I remember and I feel.

Well, in my defense, it was the beginning of a sentence...so I thought a "D" was more appropriate than a "d." What's a boy to do, Mr. Noah Webster?

 

[irishog77]

After reading some of these posts, I'm beginning to think there are a decent amount of people on here who will probably tell me the lunar landing was staged.