NCAA Tournament: No. 10 Xavier vs. No. 7 Notre Dame

[irishff1014]

We are going to be very good next year. Cooley sputtered at the end of the Year do to how many minute he plaid.

Next Years Rotation:
Atkins
Grant
Connaughton
Martin
Cooley

Biedschied
Sherman
Dragecevich
Auguste
Knight

If Abromaitis comes back we are a top 10 team. Without him probably top 15 still.

We got lucky with Amir being able to play this year. I seriously doubt either will get approved to come back.

 

[NDOM]

YEP!!!! It's just like what I hear about the football team every single STINKING year............everyone saying "We are gonna be so good NEXT year"

Same crap different year and sport. ND is all about choking.

 

[Irish Canuck]

YEP!!!! It's just like what I hear about the football team every single STINKING year............everyone saying "We are gonna be so good NEXT year"

Same crap different year and sport. ND is all about choking.

Play Like A Choker Today!


Being an ND fan has been painful since Holtz.

Although I do follow a lot of other ND sports... many great teams... but men's basketball has been a roller coaster... and football has been down right ugly going on 18 years now.

 

[ND NYC]

this is all too much to take anymore. between football team and hoops, my heart cant take much more. i am physically ill after any ND loss.-esp one like this.
i need a sabbatical from all things ND i think.

 

[STLDomer]

Doug Gottileb called Jerian Grant a dumbass on twitter

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Doug Gottileb called Jerian Grant a dumbass on twitter

Link? His official Twitter account hasn't tweeted in 2 years.

EDIT: Never mind, GottliebShow. My bad.

Retweeted it, but still highly inappropriate for an analyst to put this on his Twitter page about a 19-year-old college student.

 

[returnofthemack]

Play Like A Choker Today!


Being an ND fan has been painful since Holtz.

Although I do follow a lot of other ND sports... many great teams... but men's basketball has been a roller coaster... and football has been down right ugly going on 18 years now.

ND's major sports (Football, Men's BBall, Hockey) all choked. Hockey is at least pretty consistently good and are acknowledged as one of the top teams, they just had a bad year this year. Football and BBall are in a whirlpool of mediocrity that I can't see them breaking out of anytime soon. Luckily for me, I also watch ND Lacrosse, and they're usually very good.

 

[returnofthemack]

And Doug Gottlieb can go eat a sack of monkey d*cks. Somebody tweet him about how many credit cards the aforementioned "dumbass player" has stolen in his two years at ND.

 

[clashmore_mike]

And Doug Gottlieb can go eat a sack of monkey d*cks. Somebody tweet him about how many credit cards the aforementioned "dumbass player" has stolen in his two years at ND.

I asked him how his credit is. He replied instantly and said great how is yours? I said just fine and I didn't need to steal credit cards either. He didn't reply to that one.

 

[woolybug25]

I was pissed about Grant throwing away the ball with less than 35 seconds left when he just needed to dribble around until he got fouled and seal the game.

I was pissed when he missed the three to tie the game.

I was pissed when ran into the lane and got a free throw violation and sealing the teams fate.

But then I remember how many good moments Grant has given us this year. I remember how good of a kid he is and how bad he must be feeling today. Grant isn't some "1 and Done" type thug that use a year of college to bide their time until the NBA draft. Grant is part of the ND family and will continue to be. I hope he remembers what Gottlieb said and uses it as fuel to come back a better player next year.

 

[IrishLax]

I was pissed about Grant throwing away the ball with less than 35 seconds left when he just needed to dribble around until he got fouled and seal the game.

I was pissed when he missed the three to tie the game.

I was pissed when ran into the lane and got a free throw violation and sealing the teams fate.

But then I remember how many good moments Grant has given us this year. I remember how good of a kid he is and how bad he must be feeling today. Grant isn't some "1 and Done" type thug that use a year of college to bide their time until the NBA draft. Grant is part of the ND family and will continue to be. I hope he remembers what Gottlieb said and uses it as fuel to come back a better player next year.

That was Atkins.

 

[woolybug25]

That was Atkins.

Which one was Atkins? I was pretty drunk last night, but I remember all of those being Grant.


Either way. I have no hate for anybody on the team. Tough way to lose, but sh!t... I didn't even think that we were going to make the tournament this year.

 

[clashmore_mike]

The pass into the bench was Atkins

 

[woolybug25]

That was weird. I typed up a post and then it just reposted my last post.

The pass into the bench was Atkins

I see. I was pretty hammered last night (still am).

The pass into the bench was really the killer. All we had to do was dribble around until he got fouled. Make both free throws and the game is iced.

Oh well. Considering how the season started, it was a pretty fun ride.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Yeah kinda seemed like he didn't want to shoot free throws there.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yeah kinda seemed like he didn't want to shoot free throws there.

Which free throws, Atkins at the end of the game?

He made the first one.. didnt seem too nervous to me.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Which free throws, Atkins at the end of the game?

He made the first one.. didnt seem too nervous to me.

No, when he air mailed the pass. He wanted to get rid of the ball instead of just bringing it up and getting fouled.

 

[woolybug25]

Which free throws, Atkins at the end of the game?

He made the first one.. didnt seem too nervous to me.

He was referring to trying to pass it up the court (and into the bench) instead of pushing up the court and dribbling around until he got fouled. As a guard at the end of the game, he should have been conscious of it being an opportunity to seal the game with free throws.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

No, when he air mailed the pass. He wanted to get rid of the ball instead of just bringing it up and getting fouled.

Gotchya, my mistake. It was a poor decision, Eric knew he messed up right away. When I saw Pat change directions, my heart sank.

 

[BGIF]

No, when he air mailed the pass. He wanted to get rid of the ball instead of just bringing it up and getting fouled.

Not true. Connaughton's man left him open when he came back to help apply pressure. Connaughton's was open. Atkins passed to the open man where he thought he would go. But Connaughton's also was heading back toward mid court probably trying to help out. Similar to Quinn reading and Out Pattern while Shark read Inside Cut. The ended up where nobody was. Had Atkins and Connaughton's connected you would all be talking today about the incredible pass that won the game. Atkins made an instantaneous decision and launched a home run ball when a single (dribbling until fouled) would probably have sufficed. It was a mental error (anticipating a teammates read and reaction coupled with a low percentage pass) by a young man not cowardice, not folding under pressure. It was an error of commission not omission. He was trying to make a play and failed.

The play sticks in fans minds not the fact that he didn't blow a 10 point lead. Atkins made the first high pressure free throw with the clock winding down and ND tailing by two. He brought ND within a free throw of a tie but the HIS point was nullified and the ball taken out of his hands by a teammates error (and questionable call). Both errors were made by young men. They're not seniors. Not an excuse but recognition of what took place.

 

[arahop]

I asked him how his credit is. He replied instantly and said great how is yours? I said just fine and I didn't need to steal credit cards either. He didn't reply to that one.

Props there. I saw that on his twitter!!! I laughed for a good 5 minutes.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Not true. Connaughton's man left him open when he came back to help apply pressure. Connaughton's was open. Atkins passed to the open man where he thought he would go. But Connaughton's also was heading back toward mid court probably trying to help out. Similar to Quinn reading and Out Pattern while Shark read Inside Cut. The ended up where nobody was. Had Atkins and Connaughton's connected you would all be talking today about the incredible pass that won the game. Atkins made an instantaneous decision and launched a home run ball when a single (dribbling until fouled) would probably have sufficed. It was a mental error (anticipating a teammates read and reaction coupled with a low percentage pass) by a young man not cowardice, not folding under pressure. It was an error of commission not omission. He was trying to make a play and failed.

The play sticks in fans minds not the fact that he didn't blow a 10 point lead. Atkins made the first high pressure free throw with the clock winding down and ND tailing by two. He brought ND within a free throw of a tie but the HIS point was nullified and the ball taken out of his hands by a teammates error (and questionable call). Both errors were made by young men. They're not seniors. Not an excuse but recognition of what took place.

BGIF laying it down like usual.

Atkins had the right idea, it was just a risky one.. and sure enough, Pat moved right as Eric released the ball. Pat would have gotten the ball in the corner and had an easy drive to the basket.

It just look "sloppier" because of the timing and degree of difficulty of the pass, but it could have worked fine.

If Eric was scared he wouldn't have been driving later with 2.5 seconds left and drawing a foul then. Eric and Jerian are both ballsy for being young, they aren't afraid of adversity.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Not true. Connaughton's man left him open when he came back to help apply pressure. Connaughton's was open. Atkins passed to the open man where he thought he would go. But Connaughton's also was heading back toward mid court probably trying to help out. Similar to Quinn reading and Out Pattern while Shark read Inside Cut. The ended up where nobody was. Had Atkins and Connaughton's connected you would all be talking today about the incredible pass that won the game. Atkins made an instantaneous decision and launched a home run ball when a single (dribbling until fouled) would probably have sufficed. It was a mental error (anticipating a teammates read and reaction coupled with a low percentage pass) by a young man not cowardice, not folding under pressure. It was an error of commission not omission. He was trying to make a play and failed.

It wouldn't have been an incredible pass if he made it. It was a risky nearly half court pass at a tough angle across the court that didn't need to be made. If he simply dribbles into the front court and either takes the foul or wait for the defense to get near him and make an easy pass, there is probably a different outcome.

 

[IrishLax]

You never EVER throw a half-court length cross court pass over defenders when you are up 1 and they have to foul. You dribble around until you get fouled and if you get trapped you call a timeout immediately. We had two timeouts left with 30 seconds to play.

It's simple situational awareness and either Atkins wasn't instructed on what to do in that situation or he lost his composure. It's inconceivable that anyone is saying that pass was the right move in theory... or really saying anything besides that it was the worst possible thing he could've done in that situation besides maybe punting the ball into the stands.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yeah it's pretty simple. If you are in that situaiton, the only pass you make is either 100 percent necessary or has a zero percent chance of failure. That was a high risk pass that was also unnecessary. It was a horrible decision and an even worse pass.

 

[woolybug25]

Agree with Mike, LAX and Title. There was absolutely no reason to do anything that involved risk up 1 with the ball. He simply had to dribble around until fouled. Then put us up by three with only one possible possession for Xavier. Worst case scenario, Xavier pushes down the court and hits a buzzer beater three to tie and put into overtime.

That's a lot better scenario than throwing an overhand pass half the distance of the court. The risk-reward was not worth it.

 

[NDPhilly]

http://www.facebook.com/groups/105138536261218/

Some guy in the bang bang group watched the game again and took pictures on where lane violations weren't called earlier in the game.

 

[IrishLax]

http://www.facebook.com/groups/105138536261218/

Some guy in the bang bang group watched the game again and took pictures on where lane violations weren't called earlier in the game.

I'd also love to know how many times in the regular season that violation was called. I imagine in tens of thousands of games it was called no more than a dozen times.

Just a joke of a call by a ref with an over-inflated ego. But yeah... it's all Mike Brey's fault....

 

[Buster Bluth]

 

[STLDomer]

Everyone check out Jerian Grants twitter

Seth Davis said something about the play and then was gracious enough to tweet at grant saying he had a good season while Gottileb retweeted a random fan saying grant was a dumbass and what does grant do???

Tweets at Gottileb saying no hard feelings but gets no response