'12 AZ WR Davonte Neal (Arizona Transfer)

palinurus

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Yeah, that's what most have been saying as well as Neal to ND.

Maybe some are over analyzing Urban cutting a guy. The guy is set to go on trial and with all that happened at UF, maybe he is trying to actually control his program.

I guess my point is, Berry didn't just get indicted. He'd been indicted a while ago. And it's not just one guy, it's a bunch. And it's not just Ohio State, it's the way he is.

Anyway, maybe you are right. A good test will be when one of his GOOD players has a problem (in fact, I wonder if any current starters or rising players have legal problems he is ignoring?); then we'll see how quick he is to clean up his program, or if his definition of "dirty player" includes "isn't a starter or future starter."
 

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bottom line is if he could play he'd still be on the team...don't let urban fool ya. and i'll admit we're no different if mike floyd wasn't mike floyd he would have been gone too.

may not be right, but it's the nature of the business. coaches are going to have a longer tolerance for mistakes by guys they know can/will help them.
 

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Yeah, that's what most have been saying as well as Neal to ND.

Maybe some are over analyzing Urban cutting a guy. The guy is set to go on trial and with all that happened at UF, maybe he is trying to actually control his program.

Would be a total shocker for such a thing to occur on this board.
 

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bottom line is if he could play he'd still be on the team...don't let urban fool ya. and i'll admit we're no different if mike floyd wasn't mike floyd he would have been gone too.

may not be right, but it's the nature of the business. coaches are going to have a longer tolerance for mistakes by guys they know can/will help them.

Look at our graduation rate. So, no, I won't admit we are no different. But I will admit that we don't have a zero tolerance policy and that a well-liked, All-American, team captain is going to get more help than a third-stringer that disrupts the team and has a bad attitude.

Why are people so allergic to distinctions? I am seeing it in the Yuri Wright context as well.
 

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Look at our graduation rate. So, no, I won't admit we are no different. But I will admit that we don't have a zero tolerance policy and that a well-liked, All-American, team captain is going to get more help than a third-stringer that disrupts the team and has a bad attitude.Why are people so allergic to distinctions? I am seeing it in the Yuri Wright context as well.

that's exactly my point.
 

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I believe we told Neal that he would get choice of what side of ball he wanted to play on even though we see him in the slot. Not that he will be a two way player.
 

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According to the article NC and Arizona are the only two schools to talk to him about playing both sides of the ball. I was under the impression we had spoken with him about that as well.

I thought he said that first about ND also. I'll see if I can dig up anything

I believe we told Neal that he would get choice of what side of ball he wanted to play on even though we see him in the slot. Not that he will be a two way player.

I have been wondering about this for a while because we have a need at CB, and lately I'm more skeptical that he will play defense for us. I've noticed that the staff is really trying to sell 2013 CBs such as Nadir Barnwell on the fact that they are really physical CBs and that is what we are looking for in our CBs. I don't see Neal as a guy who blows you away with physicality ... he's a player whose speed and explosiveness make the difference. So I'm starting to feel more and more sure that we want him for offense. On the other hand, he got strong reviews for his UA game defensive performance. If he wants to go both ways, I'd hope Kelly offers him the opportunity. Do whatever it takes to get him on campus.
 
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They said they want me at receiver, returning punts, kicks and playing on defense too in the nickel package. They’re the only ones along with Arizona that have talked to me about playing both ways. They said they want the ball in my hands and if I sign there, they said the plan is for me to return the opening kickoff of the season so they got me pretty excited.

Yeah, well how'd you like to return the opening kickoff in Dublin Ireland!!! Hey UNC, put that tobacco in your crooked a** pipe and smoke it!
 

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Well it took forever for me to finally find the article that mentioned about the possibility of playing both ways. It was part of a freebie at ISD.
Neal Hosts Irish Staff

Neal Hosts Irish Staff
Thursday, 19 January 2012 22:29 Bryan Driskell

Davonte Neal’s (Scottsdale, Ariz./Chaparral) busy week continued this evening as the four-star athlete hosted coaches from Notre Dame and Ohio State. Tomorrow Neal leaves for Fayetteville, Arkansas to take his third official visit to see Arkansas, so his busy week is just beginning.

Neal hosted Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly as well as receivers coach Tony Alford and cornerbacks coach Kerry Cooks.

“They brought three coaches with them, Coach Alford, Coach Cooks, and of course the big man (Kelly)," Neal said with a chuckle.

“It was a good visit for Notre Dame,” he said of his hour long meeting with the Irish staff members. "It was a good visit talking to those guys. It certainly helped the program because I got to know a lot more about them.”

According to Neal there was nothing new or revelatory about the visit with either staff. It was simply an opportunity to learn more about each school and continue to build a relationship with the staff.

“We pretty much talked about a lot of stuff, the stuff we are going over now is the stuff they have brought up before,” he explained. “It’s just a recap.”

The message from the Irish coaches has been consistent from the beginning, and it is one the Neal family finds intriguing.

“A big part of (my decision) is academics, they sell that very well,” Neal continued, explaining the message he is getting from the Notre Dame coaches. “That’s one thing they are selling the most.”

Academics will be a major factor in his ultimate decision, as will the relationship he is building with each staff.

“Academics is number one because I want to get a good education and have my education take me somewhere further than football,” Neal said of what matters most to him as he works through his ultimate decision. “Chemistry between the coaching staff and players is also important. How the players get along with each other and bond together.”

Building those bonds will be important to Neal. He wants to attend a school that is more like a family than anything else.

“If I get hurt I want to be somewhere where I am comfortable,” continued the four-star athlete. “If I’m comfortable around them I have someone to talk to, it’s like a second family.”

Obviously Neal is looking forward to excelling on the field, but he believes that football will largely take care of itself. He will consider the different systems and schemes each program runs, but ultimately that will not have as large of an impact on the decision he eventually makes.

That does not stop each school from going over with him how they see him fitting into their program on the field. Notre Dame continues to make clear how they see Neal.

“They want me to come in and play slot,” Neal said of the Notre Dame message. “Pretty much when I come in I would decide on my own my future and what I want to do as far as getting on the field.”

Neal excelled as a wide receiver, running back, and defensive back on Chaparral High School’s state championship team. He is willing to play both at the next level, but the Irish are the only program to bring up the potential of playing both at the next level. That is a possibility that Neal finds attractive.
Despite the fact National Signing Day is just two weeks away Neal is still somewhat in the early stages of his recruitment. As has been noted before he does not plan on signing his letter of intent on February 1.

“I’m still in the information gathering process,” Neal said, noting he is not feeling any pressure about making a decision. “We are still getting to know the coaching staffs a lot better. I don’t feel like I know everything right now because it’s still early in the process.”

Neal leaves tomorrow to head to Arkansas and will make a trip to Chapel Hill, North Carolina the following weekend for a visit with the Tar Heels. His final visit will be to Arizona the weekend of February 10.

After that trip Neal will sit down with all the information he has gathered and make a final decision.
 

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They said they want me at receiver, returning punts, kicks and playing on defense too in the nickel package. They’re the only ones along with Arizona that have talked to me about playing both ways. They said they want the ball in my hands and if I sign there, they said the plan is for me to return the opening kickoff of the season so they got me pretty excited.

Yeah, well how'd you like to return the opening kickoff in Dublin Ireland!!! Hey UNC, put that tobacco in your crooked a** pipe and smoke it!
Just a hunch, but I'm thinking Kelly didn't tell him he would return the opening kickoff in Dublin, because of GAIII. Oh well sorry.
 

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Tell him anything to get him to sign. We have plenty of other games GAIII can return the kickoffs for, I mean it is Navy.
 

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I have been wondering about this for a while because we have a need at CB, and lately I'm more skeptical that he will play defense for us. I've noticed that the staff is really trying to sell 2013 CBs such as Nadir Barnwell on the fact that they are really physical CBs and that is what we are looking for in our CBs. I don't see Neal as a guy who blows you away with physicality ... he's a player whose speed and explosiveness make the difference..

Darby wasn't a "physical" corner. His speed and explosiveness was exactly what Diaco's system dictates out of the Field cornerback. This CB plays in space and can rely on safety help and his speed to compensate for mistakes or less-than-perfect cover skills.

But having two physical corners, if one of them is fast enough to play FCB, is ideal
 
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Just a hunch, but I'm thinking Kelly didn't tell him he would return the opening kickoff in Dublin, because of GAIII. Oh well sorry.

Nor was I suggesting that they did tell him that. Nothing is given, everything is to be earned. I am sure that he wasn't told there is no way that he could earn a spot back there to have the opportunity to receive the opening kick. I'm just drawing a stark contrast when you consider the option of doing this in Dublin or at Wake Forest (or where ever the hell UNC opens).
 

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I just re-watched is highlights, and the kid reminds me of Jarius Wright from Arkansas. I think he could come in and start at slot right away. He is probably is more shifty that Wright is, but the speed and height are very similar.
 

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I was under the impression that since Urban mentioned him by name to the media that it would be a violation if he signed their. I'm not saying they are still in it, just asking as I see a few believe they are.
 

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I was under the impression that since Urban mentioned him by name to the media that it would be a violation if he signed their. I'm not saying they are still in it, just asking as I see a few believe they are.

Thought he said "Receiver from outside of the state"?
 

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It would seem highly unlikely that Neal would consider OSU again, even if they came calling, after UM degraded Neal publicly. I'm sure there are several people inside the Neal family household that don't like UM to much right now.
 
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It would seem highly unlikely that Neal would consider OSU again, even if they came calling, after UM degraded Neal publicly. I'm sure there are several people inside the Neal family household that don't like UM to much right now.

these kids are too unpredictable though.. I'll never say never again in recruiting
 

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these kids are too unpredictable though.. I'll never say never again in recruiting

Unfortunately I have to agree with you.

The other part of the equation would be UM would somehow have to explain why he pursued Neal after publicly bashing him in front of a huge crowd of Ohio High School coaches.

Evidently there was quite a few upset coaches that UM went after so many out of state kids. It was obvious from the 15 minutes of the presentation (that's all I could take) that he was kissing their butts trying to make them feel important. If he were to then go right back after a kid that he was bashing in front of them instead of giving the schollie to an a good in state kid. Let's just say that probably wouldn't go over very well either.
 

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Unfortunately I have to agree with you.

The other part of the equation would be UM would somehow have to explain why he pursued Neal after publicly bashing him in front of a huge crowd of Ohio High School coaches.

Evidently there was quite a few upset coaches that UM went after so many out of state kids. It was obvious from the 15 minutes of the presentation (that's all I could take) that he was kissing their butts trying to make them feel important. If he were to then go right back after a kid that he was bashing in front of them instead of giving the schollie to an a good in state kid. Let's just say that probably wouldn't go over very well either.


This would take an incredible amount of deceit and double talk, meaning I think Meyer could easily pull it off.
 
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This would take an incredible amount of deceit and double talk, meaning I think Meyer could easily pull it off.

Urban and Judas watch Sunday games together...

And then cheat each other out of wives and bets.
 
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