'12 CA DT/DE Arik Armstead (Oregon Verbal)

[magogian]

No other info, but I feel like we are out of it. Maybe I am just being too pessimistic.

Oh well, on to other guys.

 

[johnnykillz]

No other info, but I feel like we are out of it. Maybe I am just being too pessimistic.

Oh well, on to other guys.

Me too buddy, me too.

 

[NDdomer2]

wonder what TP thinks now...

 

[NDFAN420]

hmmm... well this confirms one thing for sure to me... and this is where we have been anyway... that Cal was it before the coaching meltdown

and that ND was never #2

 

[magogian]

Assuming we don't the Armsteads, I'm still very happy overall. Kiel was huge, and an unexpected surprise. So, the past few days are still a big net plus on the recruiting scale.

 

[me9rob]

]Pretty sure the Pac-12 rule is still playing a large part, even if its only for armond, i cant see arik going without armond[/B] and Lupoi (recruiter and position coach) to Cal, i say whoever gets the transfer cleared for armond wins it, 50/50 if we and AU do

Honestly, I don't think armond and arik are as big of a package deal as they are made out to be. would they like to play together? yes, who wouldn't wanna play football with your family? but I think in the end the brother's go their separate ways. Armond might go to Notre Dame but Arik may end up staying in the pac-12 imo

 

[NDPhilly]

Lot of the day left. Still only 2:45 in Cali.

 

[Old Man Mike]

There are too few hard facts to allow clear hypotheses. Some however might be:
1). Armond and Arik really do want to play football together;
2). This is a much bigger decision for Arik than it is for Armond, and the whole family realizes that;
3). USC claims that Armond has a medical condition. Such a matter, even if disputed, would have to be "cleared";
4). Armond would have to transfer as a graduate student rather than an ordinary transfer. Such standing would also have to be "cleared";
5). both brothers preferred to EE, knowing that immediate playing time is enhanced by such a decision.

#s 2,3,&4 seem to have caused great stress, and ultimately trumped #5. #1 seems to stand as the dominant criterion. Since they act as a family, I will bet that #2 will be the second dominant criterion, so that any school wanting the brothers needs to REALLY sell itself to Arik.

Armond's continuing this semester at USC "solves" potentially several problems:

a). it gives time for the mysterious clearances to be cleared. They, however MUST be cleared by NSD in some concrete or matter-of-trust way, or Arik will not know what his brother's actual options are.
b). if classwork is an issue, Armond doing selected work at USC could clear the academic business of grad school entry if such exists. This clearance would be as a handshake matter-of-honor: if you do this we will admit you.
c). something similar could go on with the mystery medical issue: if we do this, and this is the result, then our medical staff has no problems. Armond would then have the entire semester-plus to clear things under the handshake agreements, but Arik would still have to announce by NSD, also in a manner of trust. Arik's announcement would reflect which school gave firmest evidence of clearing Armond.
d). despite the clearances issues, the only institutions involved would be those institutions offering Arik the best situation for him. It's HIS four-year career that's primary.

One speculation. Maybe it makes sense in some parallel universe anyway.

 

[Irish93]

If I were a betting man, they want to go to Auburn, but don't have clearance. They're giving the SEC some additional time to sign off on the waiver. If they do, they're going to Auburn (maybe Arik signs his LOI after national signing day if the decision is still pending). If the SEC rejects the waiver, I actually wouldn't be surprised if we are the fall-back.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I still like ND's chances, calm down.

The Armsteads are smart and clearly levelheaded about this decision. They want time to think about it. I can't fault them for that.

As far as I read it, Armond can still transfer during for summer, no?

 

[rtrn2glory]

quite a turn of events, moral of the 2012 recruiting season's story for ND, for good or bad.

 

[woolybug25]

It pisses me off that they have a rule specifically and clearly stating that they cannot accept graduate transfers, but alas... no one in the sports world cares if Auburn and their SEC brethren cheat relentlessly.

SEC football is seriously destroying the college game.

 

[Buster Bluth]

If I were a betting man, they want to go to Auburn, but don't have clearance. They're giving the SEC some additional time to sign off on the waiver. If they do, they're going to Auburn (maybe Arik signs his LOI after national signing day if the decision is still pending). If the SEC rejects the waiver, I actually wouldn't be surprised if we are the fall-back.

If I were a betting man, I'd say they're simply waiting to see what their options even are. Can he even transfer to Auburn and be eligible? Has his enrollment into ND's graduate program been guaranteed?

They certainly have the right to wait and see what options they actually have.

 

[Irishman77]

This is why you don't procrastinate important life decisions. This could have been worked out long ago. Procrastination of the inevitable always leads to a crisis. I still believe after Kelly's visit and ND's clearance of Armond, they are both irish...

 

[Irish93]

If I were a betting man, I'd say they're simply waiting to see what their options even are. Can he even transfer to Auburn and be eligible? Has his enrollment into ND's graduate program been guaranteed?

They certainly have the right to wait and see what options they actually have.

I suspect you are partially right. I just find it hard to believe that ND couldn't expidite the enrollment in a graduate program. Assuming that enrollment isn't an issue, they must be waiting for Auburn (or really the SEC).

 

[Buster Bluth]

I suspect you are partially right. I just find it hard to believe that ND couldn't expidite the enrollment in a graduate program. Assuming that enrollment isn't an issue, they must be waiting for Auburn (or really the SEC).

Over the course of 24 or 48 hours, at the beginning of the semester when the office folk are up to their heads in paperwork? That's a nearly impossible task. But yeah, it would have been awesome.

I simply can't fault them for wanting to know their options.

We should all be praying that the SEC sticks to its (asinine) rule. I think the rule is ridiculous and shouldn't be in place, but they did it to themselves and I love beating the SEC at their own game.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is why you don't procrastinate important life decisions. This could have been worked out long ago. Procrastination of the inevitable always leads to a crisis. I still believe after Kelly's visit and ND's clearance of Armond, they are both irish...

Arik didn't procrastinate. He planned on making a timely announcement for Cal, but Lupoi's unforeseeable defection shot that plan down at the 11th hour.

I suspect you are partially right. I just find it hard to believe that ND couldn't expidite the enrollment in a graduate program. Assuming that enrollment isn't an issue, they must be waiting for Auburn (or really the SEC).

Armond's circumstances present an historic first for ND. There are both academic and medical issues involved. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if ND admin was holding this up.

 

[magogian]

This is why you don't procrastinate important life decisions. This could have been worked out long ago. Procrastination of the inevitable always leads to a crisis. I still believe after Kelly's visit and ND's clearance of Armond, they are both irish...

I don't think they really procrastinated. I think Arik was planning on going to Cal, then his recruiter left, changing everything for him.

 

[scUM Hater]

What injury did Armond get? I am sure it has been covered, but info would be appreciated.

 

[Rocky2820]

I know this isn't the instant outcome we were all hoping for, but I see no reason to interpret this move as negative against ND at this point. Sure it gives Washington and even Cal opportunities to get in it/back in it. But for all we know, they really prefer ND at this point and, as Whiskey suggested, they just aren't in a position to commit at this point because we haven't medically cleared Armond. Or the opposite could be true and they're waiting anxiously for the SEC to rule. Point is, none of us knows. Technically, Arik still has over a week before he would have to enroll at ND as an EE, so it's still possible that "things" work out and we get Arik on campus in a few days and Armond this summer.

Hey, I'll get as worked up as the next guy over recruiting. But at this point I haven't heard enough information to get all pessimistic.

 

[yankeehater]

Without knowing any facts (only rumors and such), I applaud the family for taking their time with the decision. As I have posted in the past, this is a great decision and a priviledge for anyone to have, but never the less it is an important and more than likely life altering decision to make. For one young adult it is tough enough, but they are trying to make a joint decision for them both. I would much rather have them do it this way (which I feel is the correct one) then to have them commit only to decommit, etc. as many others do.

For the record, I will never understand (except for a few exceptions) why the kids do not take all of their visits before making any decisions. This would alleviate a lot of the rushed choices and later decommits that seem to be occurring way more than I can ever remember.

 

[alohagoirish]

The Armstead statement really did not even imply that the delay was due to incomplete information, or slow developments by others. They seemd to be perfectly clear that the delay was due to too much "stress",too much "drama", too much "pressure".

I think that ND is a very unlikely result at this point.

 

[irishog77]

If Arik does indeed wait until NSD, then I wonder what he'll do for the rest of the semester? He's graduated high school. If he waits til February, he can't join a basketball team or participate in spring football practices. So he just hangs out at home and works out some? I think basketball either was never the appeal he made it seem, or he will still actually decide in the next few days in order to EE. Just my take.

 

[NDPhilly]

Still confused on why a kid from California would even consider Auburn. After doing some research on Rivals I found out that Auburn has gotten three players from Cali since 02, but they were all Jucos. So since 2002 Auburn has received ZERO commitments from High School kids in California. Only Can meen one thing....

Jk but really.

 

[BobD]

I make it the the restroom, find a. stall to sit down and check this thread on my phone and you guys still haven't been able to land the Armsteads? Sheesh!

 

[JughedJones]

Still confused on why a kid from California would even consider Auburn. After doing some research on Rivals I found out that Auburn has gotten three players from Cali since 02, but they were all Jucos. So since 2002 Auburn has received ZERO commitments from High School kids in California. Only Can meen one thing....

Jk but really.

I'm not trying to jump on you here, but you do realize that you're accusing the Armsteads of accepting payments right?

I know you put a J/K at the end, but it always kind of burns me when some people on this site throw around accusations because we dislike a school and it ends up implicating a kid and his family we're trying to recruit.

Doesn't make sense.

Seriously though, I don't mean the criticism as a personal attack.

 

[yankeehater]

I make it the the restroom, find a. stall to sit down and check this thread on my phone and you guys still haven't been able to land the Armsteads? Sheesh!

I applaud you! Sometimes that can be a tougher decision than the one the Armstead's are trying to make.

 

[scUM Hater]

what injury did Armond have?

 

[alohagoirish]

Auburn is very perplexing i agree with that. But if you notice the statement has included --ND Auburn CAL & Oregon.--There it is IMO

Auburn probably is not it---he sticks with cal or goes Oregon or even washington--i would wager heavily the end result of all this is WEST COAST SOMEWHERE. No Auburn. Definitely NO ND. Oregon/washington /cal.

Leaving the state _ too much pressure_too much drama_too much stress, as they say.

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

I feel not being able to post prayer pics in this thread changed our chances of getting Arik substantially.