'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[sfk324]

According to Wikipedia:

There are times Wikipedia is a useful place to start research. This is not one of those times.

 

[Brown]

Wikipedia is a fine place for research so long as there's a source backing up the information that's given.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Top prep QB switches from LSU to Notre Dame – USATODAY.com

Official now?

 

[irishog77]

If you check gino joubert (guy broke stuff when gunner chose lsu) he thinks nd sent gunner email about team dissension

Isn't this the fat, bald, Breaux dude?

 

[Kak7304]

I understand what you are saying, but the same thing can be rationalized like "Don't go to ND, your coach will embarrass you on national TV. We are just looking out for you and don't want you to be put in that situation".

Pointing out other programs shortcomings (whether true or not) is negative recruiting in my book. Like I said, I know that it goes on everywhere and ND does it too.

Making a decision of this magnitude involves weighing the pros AND cons. I have no problem with a coach pointing out problems with other programs to help a recruit make an informed decision (assuming the coach is being honest). It's all about proving why ND is a better fit for each recruit and providing contrasting points can be helpful.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

There are times Wikipedia is a useful place to start research. This is not one of those times.

Really?

 

[clashmore_mike]

Isn't this the fat, bald, Breaux dude?

yes

 

[aubeirish]

Making a decision of this magnitude involves weighing the pros AND cons. I have no problem with a coach pointing out problems with other programs to help a recruit make an informed decision (assuming the coach is being honest). It's all about proving why ND is a better fit for each recruit and providing contrasting points can be helpful.

In most cases, that's probably assuming way too much. I agree with you, though.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Making a decision of this magnitude involves weighing the pros AND cons. I have no problem with a coach pointing out problems with other programs to help a recruit make an informed decision (assuming the coach is being honest). It's all about proving why ND is a better fit for each recruit and providing contrasting points can be helpful.

I don't want to hijack the thread any more than I have nor do I want to beat a dead horse here. But.....

IMO, pulling on a 16, 17 or 18 year old kids emotions by negative recruiting is not one of the things that I want to see.

IF, and that is a big if, the rumors are true about mama kiel not liking the distance and being away from her boy, sending an email like that hoping to strike up an emotional reaction by mama to benefit ND can't be construed as anything BUT negative recruiting.

I think a good portion of the time recruiting is about what you described. The problem is when the lines become blurred between what is truthful and what is just an attempt to strike a nerve. More often than not, truth seems to get left behind.

 

[Kansas Irish]

Well that's good enough for me!

HA!

I'm not convinced until I read it in a BR article.

 

[irishog77]

Making a decision of this magnitude involves weighing the pros AND cons. I have no problem with a coach pointing out problems with other programs to help a recruit make an informed decision (assuming the coach is being honest). It's all about proving why ND is a better fit for each recruit and providing contrasting points can be helpful.

^ This.

I have no problem with coaches of other schools pointing out that at ND the kid WILL have to work a lot in and out of the classroom and other potential drawbacks such as bad weather, small town, lack of hot girls throwin' leg, etc. These things are all true. And I'd expect ND coaches to point out potential drawbacks of other schools. At this point in the kid's life, it's very likely the most important decision he has ever had to make...and one that will have ramifications for the rest of his life. I agree, pros AND cons should be made and considered by the kid. I HOPE he seriously considers all sorts of things when deciding on a college.

 

[NDMontana]

HA!

I'm not convinced until I read it in a BR article.

Now that's funny!

I love how they ask people to apply to be journalists! I was reading an article for giggles a few weeks back and the "journalist" was talking about Rex Ryan taking away the leadership role that Mark Sanchez should claim as the starting QB and the exact words were "Rex Ryan usurped the leadership role upon Mark Sanchez". I provided a definition of usurp and the proper usage of the term....post got deleted in under five minutes.

Yes, I do love BR.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

IF, and that is a big if, the rumors are true about mama kiel not liking the distance and being away from her boy, sending an email like that hoping to strike up an emotional reaction by mama to benefit ND can't be construed as anything BUT negative recruiting.

Why? Unless the coaches lied about what's happening in LSU's locker room in the email, I don't see how notifying a parent about something like that is objectionable. They should absolutely be involved in their son's recruitment.

No 17-year-old is equipped to make this decision without sound disinterested and ADULT counsel.

 

[Ndaccountant]

^ This.

I have no problem with coaches of other schools pointing out that at ND the kid WILL have to work a lot in and out of the classroom and other potential drawbacks such as bad weather, small town, lack of hot girls throwin' leg, etc. These things are all true. And I'd expect ND coaches to point out potential drawbacks of other schools. At this point in the kid's life, it's very likely the most important decision he has ever had to make...and one that will have ramifications for the rest of his life. I agree, pros AND cons should be made and considered by the kid. I HOPE he seriously considers all sorts of things when deciding on a college.

If it stayed within in those boundaries, than, I would agree with you. The problem is that once a recruiter knows what is going to be one of the deciding factors (like, say, distance), they will spew anything that works in the favor, especially emotionally.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Why? Unless the coaches lied about what's happening in LSU's locker room in the email, I don't see how notifying a parent about something like that is objectionable. They should absolutely be involved in their son's recruitment.

No 17-year-old is equipped to make this decision without sound disinterested and ADULT counsel.

It just seems unsavory to me.

 

[IrishandColts]

Jarron Jones says so.

 

[phgreek]

litttle humor:

"Remember guys Kiel couldn't even make the Elite 11. Overrated, played against ****** competition, and can't thrive under pressure. He ran home to momma."

"Kelly gonna make that boy cry"

"If he and his parents were sold on LSU before there is a reason they aren't sold now. People don't take all that time to commit and suddenly change their minds to play closer to home. Anything happen in the last week? Hmmmm "

"Looks like miles is handling recruiting as he coached in bsc game, both like ****!!!!"


I like LSU fans, they sound....eerily familiar. I'm not making fun of them, we've all been through this ringer, but they too say some funny $hit when they even think they've been jilted.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

247 is the best, end o' story.

 

[NDMontana]

Why? Unless the coaches lied about what's happening in LSU's locker room in the email, I don't see how notifying a parent about something like that is objectionable. They should absolutely be involved in their son's recruitment.

No 17-year-old is equipped to make this decision without sound disinterested and ADULT counsel.

I can't really envision the staff sending an email to convey such information and I don't know how they would have any more knowledge regarding the situation then what is out there in the printed press. I'm not always aware of all things going on in college football but I remain in the loop as much as possible and this is actually the first I've heard of this incident in the locker room prior to the NC Game.

Of course I didn't watch the game either as I knew it was going to be another field goal packed, offensively limited game. When I see the first installment and it's awful I rarely want to see the sequel.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It just seems unsavory to me.

You're right, but recruiting is an inherently unsavory business. You've got millionaire coaches trying to persuade high school boys to trust them with their futures. The line can't be drawn at "unsavory" because you'll disqualify most everything.

I'd draw the line at "unethical". Lying to recruits is beyond the pale, but there's nothing objectionable about truthfully pointing out the drawbacks of competing programs.

 

[NDMontana]

litttle humor:

"Remember guys Kiel couldn't even make the Elite 11. Overrated, played against ****** competition, and can't thrive under pressure. He ran home to momma."

"Kelly gonna make that boy cry"

"If he and his parents were sold on LSU before there is a reason they aren't sold now. People don't take all that time to commit and suddenly change their minds to play closer to home. Anything happen in the last week? Hmmmm "

"Looks like miles is handling recruiting as he coached in bsc game, both like ****!!!!"


I like LSU fans, they sound....eerily familiar. I'm not making fun of them, we've all been through this ringer, but they too say some funny $hit when they even think they've been jilted.

I can, to a degree, hold my head high as my only comment when he committed to LSU was that I didn't wish him bad luck or good luck....I just don't care what happens now.

Thankfully the reactions were, for the most part around here, generally along those lines and a few even wished him well. I don't know what was said about him on some of the other sites (don't want to know either) but I would wager that it was not as low-brow as the reaction of LSU's fanbase. At least I hope it wasn't.

 

[Ndaccountant]

You're right, but recruiting is an inherently unsavory business. You've got millionaire coaches trying to persuade high school boys to trust them with their futures. The line can't be drawn at "unsavory" because you'll disqualify most everything.

I'd draw the line at "ethical". Lying to recruits is beyond the pale, but there's nothing objectionable about truthfully pointing out the drawbacks of competing programs.

I will just leave at this:

You are absolutely correct that recruiting is an inherently creepy business. Aside from the coaches, you have d-bags like Farrell running around.

I liken recruiting to national defense. You know that there are probably some things that are going on that you would object to, but in the end, sometimes it is better to be naive than in the know.

I prefer being naive when it comes to negative recruiting. For whatever reason, it helps me deal with the business.

If we land Gunner, I will be just as happy as everyone else.

 

[NDMontana]

I wish it wasn't so but I'm going to be dozing off without any information from any credible source. Hopefully nobody vested to much into this just yet lest we find out that the rumors were unfounded or he goes to sleep tonight and changes his mind again. It will be suicide watch around here.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I wish it wasn't so but I'm going to be dozing off without any information from any credible source. Hopefully nobody vested to much into this just yet lest we find out that the rumors were unfounded or he goes to sleep tonight and changes his mind again. It will be suicide watch around here.

Multiple sources on campus have confirmed with the RAs in O'Neil Hall that Kiel has already started moving in. Rest easy, friend.

 

[Count_on_Me]

Wow! I just realized, I used to think just watching the game every Saturday was being a Fanatic. lmao

 

[phgreek]

I can, to a degree, hold my head high as my only comment when he committed to LSU was that I didn't wish him bad luck or good luck....I just don't care what happens now.

Thankfully the reactions were, for the most part around here, generally along those lines and a few even wished him well. I don't know what was said about him on some of the other sites (don't want to know either) but I would wager that it was not as low-brow as the reaction of LSU's fanbase. At least I hope it wasn't.

maybe...

but I think the themes are all the same:

Coach sucks, losing the bowl game cost us, the other coach won't take care of him, we can't recruit, and general sky is falling stuff. I don't know...seems pretty standard fare no matter the fan base.

I think we do try real hard to maintain class and dignity (our own and a recruit's)...I too hope we come off better than every fan base out there...just nice to see some themes I recognized.

 

[NDMontana]

Multiple sources on campus have confirmed with the RAs in O'Neil Hall that Kiel has already started moving in. Rest easy, friend.

Oh....God, this is unbelievable. I had put him to bed and figured I'd never hear about him again unless ND ran into LSU in a bowl game. This has just been, well, great.

 

[koonja]

Can we remove the '?' from his thread name yet? Or too soon?

 

[4irishnation]

ObserverSports Observer Sports
Breaking: The Observer confirms Gunner Kiel will attend #NotreDame and will be on campus by the end of the week. bit.ly/wcuY8v

 

[TerryTate]

Until it's made official, I can't fully do it based on bigfoot sightings.