'12 OH OT Taylor Decker (Ohio State Verbal)

[NDinL.A.]

fair enough.. was hoping someone with more experience could provide some examples.. thanks (it is a small list though, maybe Kelly needs to step his game up, or maybe not, to each his own)

Small list??? Seriously? In less than 2 years of recruiting, Kelly's flipped 9 kids (11 if you count Amir and Prestwood), and that's just off the top of my head (could be more). Just admit you hate Kelly and nothing he does will satisfy you (that is, if you think flipping 9 kids in this short of time is a 'short list').

Tell you what, name me 5 other schools that have flipped that many kids in 2-3 years (obviously you don't follow recruiting so you won't be able to). Here's a hint though: that's a pretty damn long list. And that's just the guys that have flipped...there are many more that the staff went after and couldn't flip.

Bottom line, this staff gets after guys, whether they are committed or not, and have shown the ability to flip many, many players. To each his own, but I think someone else needs to step their (posting) game up...

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

A small list? That's 10 kids in two years... plus the likes of Prestwood and now Carlisle.

yeah maybe I'm off base because I'm disappointed Kelly let Darby and Decker go and haven't heard a lot of rumblings about him going after many committed recruits this year.. but hey, this is a "what have you done for me lately business", right?.. but I wouldn't count Prestwood and Carlisle as they are transfers

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

fair enough.. was hoping someone with more experience could provide some examples.. thanks (it is a small list though, maybe Kelly needs to step his game up, or maybe not, to each his own)

This post ought to "Kick it up a notch"....

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Small list??? Seriously? In less than 2 years of recruiting, Kelly's flipped 9 kids (11 if you count Amir and Prestwood), and that's just off the top of my head (could be more). Just admit you hate Kelly and nothing he does will satisfy you (that is, if you think flipping 9 kids in this short of time is a 'short list').

Tell you what, name me 5 other schools that have flipped that many kids in 2-3 years (obviously you don't follow recruiting so you won't be able to). Here's a hint though: that's a pretty damn long list. And that's just the guys that have flipped...there are many more that the staff went after and couldn't flip.

Bottom line, this staff gets after guys, whether they are committed or not, and have shown the ability to flip many, many players. To each his own, but I think someone else needs to step their (posting) game up...

relax man.. i recanted my statement.. take it easy

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Small list??? Seriously? In less than 2 years of recruiting, Kelly's flipped 9 kids (11 if you count Amir and Prestwood), and that's just off the top of my head (could be more). Just admit you hate Kelly and nothing he does will satisfy you (that is, if you think flipping 9 kids in this short of time is a 'short list').

Tell you what, name me 5 other schools that have flipped that many kids in 2-3 years (obviously you don't follow recruiting so you won't be able to). Here's a hint though: that's a pretty damn long list. And that's just the guys that have flipped...there are many more that the staff went after and couldn't flip.

Bottom line, this staff gets after guys, whether they are committed or not, and have shown the ability to flip many, many players. To each his own, but I think someone else needs to step their (posting) game up...

I can't name 5 other schools I don't follow other schools' recruiting
I don't count Amir and Prestwood, they're transfers
I don't hate Kelly.. I think he's a fine coach, but I'm not in love with him and I don't follow him blindly.. I think and know there are better college football coaches out there, but he's a fine coach
I'll try to step my posting game up in the future, thanks for the advice

 

[Buster Bluth]

relax man.. i recanted my statement.. take it easy

You deserve the butt-kicking after what you said.

yeah maybe I'm off base because I'm disappointed Kelly let Darby and Decker go and haven't heard a lot of rumblings about him going after many committed recruits this year.. but hey, this is a "what have you done for me lately business", right?.. but I wouldn't count Prestwood and Carlisle as they are transfers

This post truly shows 1) your bias and 2) you don't know what you're talking about.

Kelly and Co have gone after a ton of guys who are committed elsewhere. The won some and lost some, but you always lose more than not when guys are already committed.

No, it's not "what have you done for me lately business." That is the way fools look at programs.

And not counting Carlisle and Prestwood? Okay, perhaps, but I' guessing you just don't want to give Kelly due credit. Did only did this staff pull them in a fierce recruiting battle--he pulled them away while they were going to school there!! What does that say about how well this staff builds relationships?

 

[Buster Bluth]

I don't hate Kelly.. I think he's a fine coach, but I'm not in love with him and I don't follow him blindly.. I think and know there are better college football coaches out there, but he's a fine coach

I don't think that you can name very many coaches in college football who are better than Kelly. This winning percentage is elite.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I don't think that you can name very many coaches in college football who are better than Kelly. This winning percentage is elite.

I wasn't implying the majority are better.. far from it.. but some are, and some are much better.. I didn't intend to get into any arguments with anyone tonight, but when people callously attack me and my opinions without completely understanding my stance ,it gets to me.. I'll try not to post my opinions that conflict with the majority opinion anymore

 

[BGIF]

I can't name 5 other schools I don't follow other schools' recruitingI don't count Amir and Prestwood, they're transfers
I don't hate Kelly.. I think he's a fine coach, but I'm not in love with him and I don't follow him blindly.. I think and know there are better college football coaches out there, but he's a fine coach
I'll try to step my posting game up in the future, thanks for the advice

You don't seem to follow ND's recruiting based on your posts in this thread. The Michigan guys that post here are more aware of what's happening with ND recruiting than you.

Prestwood and Carlisle transferred here because of the recruiting foundation laid down by Alford, Denbrock, and Kelly last year. The ND coach's built strong relationships with both them. That's why there here now. Prestwood and Carlisle contacted ND.

IF you want to talk recruiting efffectivess start a thread on it don't clog up a Recruit Profile. People this thread at the top of the IE front page and come here expecting news about this recruit not for your misinformed rants.

Read more and post less.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

You don't seem to follow ND's recruiting based on your posts in this thread. The Michigan guys that post here are more aware of what's happening with ND recruiting than you.

Prestwood and Carlisle transferred here because of the recruiting foundation laid down by Alford, Denbrock, and Kelly last year. The ND coach's built strong relationships with both them. That's why there here now. Prestwood and Carlisle contacted ND.

IF you want to talk recruiting efffectivess start a thread on it don't clog up a Recruit Profile. People this thread at the top of the IE front page and come here expecting news about this recruit not for your misinformed rants.

Read more and post less.

lol, yes sir

 

[Buster Bluth]

I wasn't implying the majority are better.. far from it.. but some are, and some are much better.. I didn't intend to get into any arguments with anyone tonight, but when people callously attack me and my opinions without completely understanding my stance ,it gets to me.. I'll try not to post my opinions that conflict with the majority opinion anymore

I never said what you said I said you said--what? But seriously I never said that you said the majority were better. Brian Kelly very near the top of the list on national coaches though.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Chris Leak, and lets be honest he didn't have an all world year when they won NC.

Nonsense. Leak was a terrific college QB who brought a lot more to the table than just talent.

I said all world. This from the guy that said he hopes TR never takes another meaningful snap at ND ever.

Tommy Rees 2011 - 20 TDs / 14 INTs / 65% COMP / 2871 YDS

Chris Leak 2006 - 23 TDs / 13 INTs / 63.6% COMP / 2942 YDS

I wouldn't call that all world. I specified one year that's all. Don't disagree just to disagree.

 

[BeauBenken]

A major reason Decker gave for his decommitment was that Notre Dame does not have his preferred Major. He wants to major in sports medicine/exercise science. Lolz.

High school gym coach after he graduates?

What's so lolz about majoring in sports medicine or exercise science? My brother does that and is pretty ****ing kick *** at it. I'm considering it as well.

What the **** do you do, smartass?

I hope not. He deserves OSU.

You need a break, buddy. You're getting too caught up in this. You act like you hold some grudge against this kid just because he didn't make a decision that was best for you. Stop trying to talk **** about someone you don't know for such a stupid reason. You look sad.

Either that's total BS, or what the **** was he thinking when he originally committed to ND? While I don't like it, I'm actually ok with 17 year old kids changing their minds, especially when conditions change such as what happened in Decker's case. But please just be straight up about why you want out.

When he committed he was unsure about what he wanted he should major in, but had an idea in what he wanted to do. I even suggest he look into exercise science. I thought ND had the program.

This is a quote from an article right after he committed:

Major at Notre Dame: At first I was thinking something in Zoology, but now I'm leaning kind of towards sports medicine. I don't know if I want to be a physical trainer or an athletic trainer, but I know I want to do something sports slash workout wise with my career.

Me a couple posts down from where the article was posted:

I think he may be looking for a field like Excercise Science. Or so it sounds to me.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Does anyone know why the old staff at pOSU didn't give him an offer?

 

[Andy in Sactown]

The truth is you're the weak.
And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But
I'm tryin'. I'm tryin' real hard to
be a shepherd.

Cold son. Laying down the steel.

 

[irishpat183]

We're average. We're going to have average recruiting classes. So get used to it.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

We're average. We're going to have average recruiting classes. So get used to it.

So, what is an average recruiting class?

 

[irishpat183]

So, what is an average recruiting class?

Uhhh...what we're looking at as of right now.

 

[Grahambo]

Uhhh...what we're looking at as of right now.

Tee Shepard, Sheldon Day, Deontay Greenberry, Justin Ferguson are all average?

 

[Old Man Mike]

Why are you guys posting all of this minimalistically-related, if at all, cat-fight screeching on a recruit's thread?? Even if Taylor is permanently gone, which is not true until NSD or we hear that Coach has given up, this "material" is inappropriate. Please take this sort of thing to PM or a thread like a general recruiting thread.

 

[irishpat183]

Tee Shepard, Sheldon Day, Deontay Greenberry, Justin Ferguson are all average?

Funny you ONLY list the "top" guys...Fergie isn't all that great. Come on. You're reaching with him.

Again. Take off the irish glasses. We're an overall average class....

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Uhhh...what we're looking at as of right now.

I don't normally jump on people for their posting, but check this out:

We have the best WR coming into ND with Greenberry. Not only did his team win the state championship in WR, but he broke several records in the state while doing so. He crushed people in 7v7 and all-star games. He could play on both sides of the ball if he so wanted.

Shepard is the best cover corner in this class (not to mention we are getting some solid players in the secondary with Baratti, Prosise, Turner and Shumate). Oh, and Shumate was on the team that won the national championship for his high school. We are also in it for another player from that same school in Yuri Wright.

Oh, and (Yeah, I'm about to do it) we are getting the best LS this year, that could potentially bulk up to play C.

Add in the tremendously athletic players like Chris Brown, Russell, and the young Okwara.. and think of the possibilities.

We are still in it for top-notch recruits. Even though we had a bad week last week, doesn't mean much. We're going to get ours.. the staff can evaluate talent.

Oh yeah.. Jarron is still a 5-star to me. Day? Could be a five-star.

 

[Grahambo]

Funny you ONLY list the "top" guys...Fergie isn't all that great. Come on. You're reaching with him.

Again. Take off the irish glasses. We're an overall average class....

 

[irishpat183]

And I'm pissed today. So I may be a little brash.

 

[irishpat183]

You guys are hilarious....

I love the enthusiasim. But you're a little light on reality.

Greenberry is awesome. But by no means is he the "#1 WR" in the class.

Come on

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

You guys are hilarious....

I love the enthusiasim. But you're a little light on reality.

Greenberry is awesome. But by no means is he the "#1 WR" in the class.

Come on

I never said he was the best WR out of jest. If you disagree, start digging through what many other people have said about him--not on this board.

 

[Rocket89]

You guys are hilarious....

I love the enthusiasim. But you're a little light on reality.

Greenberry is awesome. But by no means is he the "#1 WR" in the class.

Come on

irishpat is tuned into reality, guys.

See him for any further questions about reality.

/wankingmotion

 

[NDinL.A.]

I wasn't implying the majority are better.. far from it.. but some are, and some are much better.. I didn't intend to get into any arguments with anyone tonight, but when people callously attack me and my opinions without completely understanding my stance ,it gets to me.. I'll try not to post my opinions that conflict with the majority opinion anymore

That's weak. Really weak. No one is saying don't post opinions that the majority doesn't agree with. A lot of people are disappointed with this class (so far - still have a couple of weeks left), and have said so. Others disagree. That's fine. A lot of people are either unhappy with BK or unhappy with the way things have gone so far. Others disagree. It's all good. Opinions are on all sides of the spectrum.

But how about this - either base your opinions on facts, or face people bashing your opinions like a man and don't get all hurt over it. You obviously know very little about recruiting. You said something pretty ridiculous (why doesn't BK go after committed guys like other coaches?), and were shown facts about how ridiculous that statement was.

But instead of simply admitting you were wrong (I'm wrong all the time, but I admit it when I'm wrong. See: Newton, Cam), you came back and said that a list of 11 committed kids flipped to ND in 2+ years was "small, but to each his own". Well, no, it's not small. If that's your opinion, it's really, really weak. It's like me saying Mexico offers more opportunity to their people to advance than the United States does, but hey, to each his own. Come on now, do better than that. You can't name 5 schools in the country who have flipped more guys than ND, but you're still cool with your 'opinion'?

Bottom line, it's not about agreeing with the group, it's about basing opinion on facts and what you see and hear. Or as Jim Rome says, "Have a take, and don't suck."

 

[Domina Nostra]

The thing to remember with Decker is that he is dealing with a master salesman. The trick with those kind of guys is to not let them start talking or you will quickly own something. Pride tempts us to think we are different and won't get sucked in. "I always heard all these crazy stories about how Urban was such a creep, but I got a chance to meet him, and he is such a class act. Really nothing like the stories."

When a recruit is dealing with that kind of guy there is a buyer's dilemma: is Urban such a good salesman because he has the best product, or does this appear to be the best product because Urban is such a good salesman.

With the in-state kids, you never really step back and reflect on this question because as soon as you commit, Gator-nation (or Buckeye-nation) is high-fiving you every 5 seconds.

Decker is probably incredibly popular right now for jumping on board with OSU. That will make objectivity more difficult.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm wrong all the time, but I admit it when I'm wrong.

Mo ghraidhin go deo thu!