ND Hires New OL Coach

[OCIrish]

I dont want to go into full blown attack mode on you, so I'll just post a wiki quote.

Bring it then......

And if you think it was the offensive lines fault that the bears were mediocre on offense during his time there, then no offense, you may be clueless.

Its already been posted about their offensive rushing stats, in which they were 16th, 26th, 32nd, 19th, and 30th in rushing during his time in Chicago, if memory serves me right. Now, if you'd have watched the games every week, you'd also know that they had serious issues with blitz pick-up and blocking assignments. I never said it was the lines fault that they were mediocre on offense (do you have a problem with reading comprehension?), but his lines sure as hell weren't a bright spot for them either.

 

[Grahambo]

Anytime Rex Grossman is your QB, you're gonna get the box stacked against you. The actual skill of the players, especially in the NFL also makes a difference. He had Olin Kreutz but who else that was worth a damn?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

if he coaches like he did at UI, he'll have a chance to do some good....if his lines resemble that of his NFL days, we're going to look like ****. Plain and simple.

I've been a Bears fan since I first started watching football in the early 80's. His lines were some of the worst I've witnessed in Chitown. I don't mean just the run blocking either, I mean not being able to stop a beach ball from getting to the QB. His lines may not have given up sacks, but they didn't prevent their QB's from taking a beating back there either.

I give Heistand a pass for the UT debacle, but his time in Chicago earns him D- at best from my point of view. Also spare me the apples to oranges crap.....blitz recognition and pick-up is the same no matter what level you're coaching. The sad part, is that he had soo much more time to spend with his NFL group to prepare them than he did at the college level, and his groups still underperformed at a high level.

You a Bears fan? Then you know one of the years the Bears made it to the Super bowl was when he coached the line. How many times did the Bears make it to the Super bowl?

The logic of your argument wanes when one realizes you are basing your entire argument on something like 20 percent of the man's career. You ever had a bad year or two? A job you didn't like? A work situation where others actions controlled the quality of your work output?

 

[50milesSE ND]

Anytime Rex Grossman is your QB, you're gonna get the box stacked against you. The actual skill of the players, especially in the NFL also makes a difference. He had Olin Kreutz but who else that was worth a damn?

exactly, I wanted to say that when there is no threat of the pass it's hard to run even for a dominant run team. This has to be considered due to the physical play of the NFC North. If there is no balance in the offense as far as run/pass every team or line will struggle because the defense isn't guessing. they know.

 

[OCIrish]

You a Bears fan? Then you know one of the years the Bears made it to the Super bowl was when he coached the line. How many times did the Bears make it to the Super bowl?

The logic of your argument wanes when one realizes you are basing your entire argument on something like 20 percent of the man's career. You ever had a bad year or two? A job you didn't like? A work situation where others actions controlled the quality of your work output?

Yes, one of the two years they made the Super Bowl, he was the OL coach, btw, the OL wasn't the reason they made the Super Bowl in 06, their Defense was outstanding that year. As to my logic.....well when people post on here that he has an NFL pedigree, I'm pointing out that his time in the NFL wasn't anything to brag about. His lines in Chicago were nothing to brag about. If it was a job he didn't like, why then did he stay for 5 years? Also it wasn't just a bad year or two in Chicago, it was average to well below average at best.

 

[OCIrish]

Anytime Rex Grossman is your QB, you're gonna get the box stacked against you. The actual skill of the players, especially in the NFL also makes a difference. He had Olin Kreutz but who else that was worth a damn?

The Grossman issue was a whole other problem....skill??? Are you shittin me? Is that the best argument you've got?? Please tell me you can do better than that. You still have to develop players at the next level, and he didn't get it done. Blitz recognition and pick-up, simple things like getting on the right man and maintaining blocks at the point of attack in the run game. There were games where you'd see 3 OL blocking one guy because either they didn't know their assignments or couldn't get to their assignments. Trust me, I know what I saw of his time in Chicago.

 

[tko]

the key to all of this is to really drag out the hire til after NSD.

 

[OCIrish]

Ok, tko, you've got me wondering.....why is the key to wait till after NSD?

 

[tko]

Ok, tko, you've got me wondering.....why is the key to wait till after NSD?

edited for sarcasm, but i am fuming about what is going on right now. i am really trying my hardest to have faith that things will work out.

 

[anarin]

Its already been posted about their offensive rushing stats, in which they were 16th, 26th, 32nd, 19th, and 30th in rushing during his time in Chicago, if memory serves me right. Now, if you'd have watched the games every week, you'd also know that they had serious issues with blitz pick-up and blocking assignments. I never said it was the lines fault that they were mediocre on offense (do you have a problem with reading comprehension?), but his lines sure as hell weren't a bright spot for them either.

My problem is more with "know it all naysayers".

Two words - Ron Turner.

If you're a true bears fan, then you know that this organization neglected the offensive line the entire time Angelo was there, instead choosing to go with plug and play guys that were at best 2nd string on any other team. Also, they had Orton and Grossman at QB (not at all world beaters) with Cedric Benson (3 yards and a cloud of dust) and Thomas Jones (Jones wasn't actually bad at that point in his career, but the staff force fed the ball to Benson). So you take a bad QB, an average RB, no go to WR and a sub-par talent offensive line and you get the Chicago Bears during that time period. What's funny is that the only thing that has changed since then is Forte and Cutler.

Hiestand was far from the problem in Chicago when he was there, and there was multiple things that attributed to the offense being below average (stated above as well as the Off. Coord. being Ron Turner and his lame offense).

I guess you would blame Tice for the line being woeful this year too. If you don't agree with any of what I just said, then we can just agree to disagree, because this will go in circles.

 

[OCIrish]

No, I actually thought Tice did as good a job as he could have with all the injuries they had this past year. I am full aware the issues with Ron Turner, Cedric Benson, etc. but, their inability to do simple things during his time in Chicago are the things I'm talking about. Yes I know Angelo didn't help, but you've still got to do fundamentals. Two things going forward for the Bears, Gabe Carimi and a healthy Chris Williams.

 

[OCIrish]

edited for sarcasm, but i am fuming about what is going on right now. i am really trying my hardest to have faith that things will work out.

Gotcha on the sarcasm and fully understanding about the faith thing.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yes, one of the two years they made the Super Bowl, he was the OL coach, btw, the OL wasn't the reason they made the Super Bowl in 06, their Defense was outstanding that year. As to my logic.....well when people post on here that he has an NFL pedigree, I'm pointing out that his time in the NFL wasn't anything to brag about. His lines in Chicago were nothing to brag about. If it was a job he didn't like, why then did he stay for 5 years? Also it wasn't just a bad year or two in Chicago, it was average to well below average at best.

You read what you wanted to read, not what I wrote.

 

[ACamp1900]

I know this... I know about as much about any specific o line coach in the NFL or college to know i should just trust BK and his choice here...

Does anyone really follow random unit coaches this closely???

 

[MacIrish75]

I know this... I know about as much about any specific o line coach in the NFL or college to know i should just trust BK and his choice here...

Does anyone really follow random unit coaches this closely???

No, and I tend to agree...but as an ardent Bears fan, when I read Notre Dame hires a former Bear OL coach, it sends off all kinds of warning signals. We're talking a team that hasn't had a decent line since Hilgenberg, Covert, and Van Horne.

 

[irishog77]

I know this... I know about as much about any specific o line coach in the NFL or college to know i should just trust BK and his choice here...

Does anyone really follow random unit coaches this closely???

Apparently Chris Farley, George Wendt, Kevin Nealon, are posters on IE and love Da Bearsss.

 

[Grahambo]

The Grossman issue was a whole other problem....skill??? Are you shittin me? Is that the best argument you've got?? Please tell me you can do better than that. You still have to develop players at the next level, and he didn't get it done. Blitz recognition and pick-up, simple things like getting on the right man and maintaining blocks at the point of attack in the run game. There were games where you'd see 3 OL blocking one guy because either they didn't know their assignments or couldn't get to their assignments. Trust me, I know what I saw of his time in Chicago.

By your logic, anybody can just step in there and play well. Your kidding me right? How is skill irrelevant in an argument? Developing players will only take you so far if those players just flat out are not that good. All of what you described to me in the above statement tells me that the players had no clue what they were doing. Not knowing your assignments or not getting there is on the player.

 

[OCIrish]

By your logic, anybody can just step in there and play well. Your kidding me right? How is skill irrelevant in an argument? Developing players will only take you so far if those players just flat out are not that good. All of what you described to me in the above statement tells me that the players had no clue what they were doing. Not knowing your assignments or not getting there is on the player.

Its also on the coach, holy crap.....where were you when Latina was the OL coach at ND, did you do this much apologizing for him as well??

 

[OCIrish]

Also, reread your post again.....you made my point for me. "All of what you are described to me in the above statement tells me that the players had no clue what they were doing". What the hell do hire OL coaches for?? To teach these guys the fundamentals, the schemes, the footwork, their blocking assignments....do I need to go on? What do you think an OL coach does all day?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

ND Seeks Moore From Hiestand

 

[Ironman8]

Really happy about the additions to our coaching staff this year. Don't think we have had any real substantial losses, and we have made some significant gains. Hope they can hit the ground sprinting.

 

[johnnykillz]

ND Seeks Moore From Hiestand

Fantastic read. Thanks sir.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Great read. I have a question, though, about the comments on the article that are behind the pay wall. What kind of stuff is generally in the comments? Are they blocked to non-subscribers based on the content or who is posting it?

Could anyone with access explain or give an example of what type of stuff might be in a comment like that? I know you can't copy and paste it here, but knowing what kind of stuff is hidden could inform how interested I am in dropping some coin for access. Thanks!

 

[JughedJones]

Great read. I have a question, though, about the comments on the article that are behind the pay wall. What kind of stuff is generally in the comments? Are they blocked to non-subscribers based on the content or who is posting it?

Could anyone with access explain or give an example of what type of stuff might be in a comment like that? I know you can't copy and paste it here, but knowing what kind of stuff is hidden could inform how interested I am in dropping some coin for access. Thanks!

Pretty sure they just randomly block out messages, keeps you wondering what's there. I had a B+G subscription, I just couldn't square the (admittedly meager) expense on ND news when I had such a good source of it here for free.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I love this guy. I met him in Toledo once. He has awesome coaching potential. Couldn't understand why so many were down on him. Tennessee, I understand. They have had problems since they wiped out Fulmer's cheating ADD program . . .

 

[pkt77242]

Funny reading this thread after how well the O-line did this year and with how well Harry has been doing on the recruiting trail.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Funny reading this thread after how well the O-line did this year and with how well Harry has been doing on the recruiting trail.

Big guys want to play for him. Makes BK look like a genius.

 

[Redbar]

He seems like a real blue collar type of coach and I think that style fits in well with the program.-originally by Old Man Mike

You will go down as one of the smart ones on this issue.

Guys listen to these men they know what they are talking about.

 

[ohara831]

He did a terrific job this season. Made out O line a real strength of the team.

 

[ulukinatme]

OSU was pretty happy to steal away our OL coach from last year, and they certainly improved their line play, but I've got to say our O-Line this year has been as good or better than last year. It'll be interesting to see what happens after we have to replace some of these starters next season that have a lot of snaps under their belt, but I think Hiestand will continue to show us good results