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Did some research and now I'm more comfortable with this hire. If he was hired, that is.

In eight years at Illinois, he produced twelve All Big 10 OL. For the first seven years of his tenure, every senior starting OL at Illinois was signed to an NFL contract.
 

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Did some research and now I'm more comfortable with this hire. If he was hired, that is.

In eight years at Illinois, he produced twelve All Big 10 OL. For the first seven years of his tenure, every senior starting OL at Illinois was signed to an NFL contract.

That's a huge recruiting point! Kids with aspirations of going pro will love to hear that
 

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the reason i wanted heck was cuz of his nfl background so good to see if we land him we got that going for him.
 

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So we get all of Urban Myers' leftovers???

In all seriousness his record looks solid.
 

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Did some research and now I'm more comfortable with this hire. If he was hired, that is.

In eight years at Illinois, he produced twelve All Big 10 OL. For the first seven years of his tenure, every senior starting OL at Illinois was signed to an NFL contract.

Wow. That is impressive. Reps.

To add, his Oline at UT so very young and going against the best in the nation every week. He will have some good experienced lineman at ND to build around.
 

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A point or two: I'm too old to get "excited" about much, but I think that it's really foolish to get excited about things which are manifestly complicated and that we, if we have any humility at all, must admit that we don't know practically anything about at the level of actual importance --- like why Coach Hiestand would have had a poor running team on his hands and whether there was much that he, in his position, could do about it. [this includes whether the Bears were providing him with real and healthy studs to work with after the championship run].

But more importantly, don't we think that Coach Kelly would like to make a hire of a guy who is looking for a place to settle down for the long haul? Everything that I've heard about Hiestand says that's where he's at in his coaching life. Tennessee didn't work out due, apparently, to systemic incompatibility. Will Kelly and his system be better? I bet they've talked about it. Also, do any of us REALLY want a staff composed of 7, 8, 9, head coaches-in-waiting? Doesn't anyone want a staff in it for the longer haul? Do we want stability or do we want to have to undergo this same crap every year? Sure, some is going to happen. Why encourage it to max out?? There are elements about a hire like this that are ideal. Beamer's running back coach at VT came from UNC, I think, years ago, and is a VT lifer. Somehow Beamer has managed to keep Bud Foster as DC. These sorts of situations anchor the team. Many other Beamer assistants have been with him for years. If he can keep his hotshot DB coach Gray, he'll be set forever. Kelly's got to want some of that sort of stability.
 

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Did some research and now I'm more comfortable with this hire. If he was hired, that is.

In eight years at Illinois, he produced twelve All Big 10 OL. For the first seven years of his tenure, every senior starting OL at Illinois was signed to an NFL contract.

Great info! Thanks.
 

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I have to wonder where some posters find the time to eat, work and sleep. It seems like all they do is bitch and moan about everything that goes on with the Notre Dame football program. I'm glad I'm not a son to some of you. There is no making you happy.
 

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A point or two: I'm too old to get "excited" about much, but I think that it's really foolish to get excited about things which are manifestly complicated and that we, if we have any humility at all, must admit that we don't know practically anything about at the level of actual importance --- like why Coach Hiestand would have had a poor running team on his hands and whether there was much that he, in his position, could do about it. [this includes whether the Bears were providing him with real and healthy studs to work with after the championship run].

But more importantly, don't we think that Coach Kelly would like to make a hire of a guy who is looking for a place to settle down for the long haul? Everything that I've heard about Hiestand says that's where he's at in his coaching life. Tennessee didn't work out due, apparently, to systemic incompatibility. Will Kelly and his system be better? I bet they've talked about it. Also, do any of us REALLY want a staff composed of 7, 8, 9, head coaches-in-waiting? Doesn't anyone want a staff in it for the longer haul? Do we want stability or do we want to have to undergo this same crap every year? Sure, some is going to happen. Why encourage it to max out?? There are elements about a hire like this that are ideal. Beamer's running back coach at VT came from UNC, I think, years ago, and is a VT lifer. Somehow Beamer has managed to keep Bud Foster as DC. These sorts of situations anchor the team. Many other Beamer assistants have been with him for years. If he can keep his hotshot DB coach Gray, he'll be set forever. Kelly's got to want some of that sort of stability.

That and Coach Dooley is not what everyone (including his assistants) thought he was cracked out to be. I wouldn't be surprised if more assistants left.

Diz
 

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After reading around a little I am starting to feel much more comfortable about this hire. Most UT sites seem to think it's a done deal and the specifics are being worked out right now. Many fans want Hiestand out but yet I saw some people who thought he was greatly unappreciated and underrated. It's basically a huge mess in Knoxville right now and you know that when a guy like Hiestand, who usually stays put wherever he goes to coach, tries to get the hell out after a year that there must be some issues within the program. The only problem I have though is that I really don't know how good of a recruiter he is. I have only read bad things about his recruiting skills but once again you have to remember he hasn't recruited for a while since he was with the Bears for a number of years. Let's hope this hire works out.
 

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He (Hiestand) should be a good recruiter. Many of the radio stations here (Nashville) are not liking the thought of him leaving. Also, of all the coaches on staff, he is the one they wanted to stay the most.

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googled and saw some video clips of him he strikes me as a guy who can be a real sleeper (in a good way) on the recruiting trail if he recruited PA, OH, MI, IN, IL areas. i think the big uglies will like him-i saw the vids and saw a meat and potatoes o line coach. the key is does he and will he have chemistry with the rest fo the staff? i think he would fit right in. just a gut feeling. like OMM said would love for a solid, long term asst coach to make this his last stand here at ND. ps not a bad thing that he was interviewed twice by urban meyer for the osu o line job-i hate the guy but he does know how to put a staff together and find good assistants. :)
 
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As far as assistant coaching hires, I did not like Hinton or Molnar. I was wrong about Hinton (he was fine) and I think I was right about Molnar.

I was told by various people not to like Diaco or Denbrock. Both are great, IMO.

Some people are determined not to like HH. I get the feeling he is just a solid coach. One thing I like about him is he kind of looks like an ex-boxer. I feel as if our boys could use a little fight. Hopefully, he'll bring that. The thing I don't understand about the criticism is that he has had LONG stays in the Big 10 and NFL. He must be doing something right. It may not be a glamour hire, but I he knows what he is doing.

Here are some articles I found that give you some impression of his Tennessee and Bears experience.

- This provides some perspective in terms of what he was working with:
College Player Database - Depth Chart

- Here is one talking a little about his Bears teams:
Dooley hires coach Harry Hiestand strength coach Bennie Wylie?

-Here is one where a Tennessee blogger thinks he was underutilized and under-appreciatedGoodbye Coach Hiestand « Loser with Socks, while also posting the classic "purple face Kelly" picture:

-Here is one where a Chicago source who thought his Bears lines did pretty well considering the lack of talent he had:
Vols hire Harry Hiestand as offensive line coach - Chicago Breaking Sports
 
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As far as assistant coaching hires, I did not like hinton or Molnar. I was wrong about Hinton (he was fine) and I think I was write about Molnar.

I was told by various people not to like Diaco or Denbrock. Both are great, IMO.

Some people are determined not to like HH. I get the feeling he is just a solid coach. One thing I like about him is he kind of looks like an ex-boxer. I feel as if our boys could use a little fight. Hopefully, he'll bring that. The thing I don't understand about the criticism is that he has had LONG stays in the Big 10 and NFL. He must be doing something right. It may not be a glamour hire, but I he knows what he is doing.

Here are some articles I found that give you some impression of his Tennessee and Bears experience.

- This provides some perspective in terms of what he was working with:
College Player Database - Depth Chart

- Here is one talking a little about his Bears teams:
Dooley hires coach Harry Hiestand strength coach Bennie Wylie?

-Here is one where a Tennessee blogger thinks he was underutilized and under-appreciatedGoodbye Coach Hiestand « Loser with Socks, while also posting the classic "purple face Kelly" picture:

-Here is one where a Chicago source who thought his Bears lines did pretty well considering the lack of talent he had:
Vols hire Harry Hiestand as offensive line coach - Chicago Breaking Sports

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1) Chicago Bears OL Coach
The unexpurgated Harry Hiestand | DailyHerald.com Blogs

If you read some of the quotes on Vol-Nation forum, you would think he nothing but $hit. But, go back and read some quotes about some past coaches on here and.......

anyways, if he truly comes here, only time will tell eh?

and by the way... "Come to the dark-side you knob"!


Diz
 

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I think I can post this...

Phammer, delete if I can't.


By Lindsey Willhite

As long as I’ve covered Bears offensive line coach Harry Hiestand -- and this dates back to the late 1990s when he served as Illinois’ line coach for Ron Turner -- his offensive linemen have been the last unit off the practice field.

While part of that devotion is a work-ethic thing, part of it is simply due to the fact that the O-Line needs more time to get everything right.

In any case, I caught up with Hiestand after Wednesday’s practice (he had just finished tackles Orlando Pace and Chris Williams for some technique work) and we had a six-minute chat on the state of the Bears’ line.

Rather than try to spin the 50-year-old coach’s thoughts or set them up with ledes and transitions and opinions, I thought I’d present them as-is.

While I didn't need to censor Hiestand's speech -- making the "unexpurgated" title a little misleading -- feel free to stick with this as the Bears' fifth-year OL coach soon warms to the task:

Joe Sports: “I think fans want quick fixes at any position _ at every position. How does an offensive line realistically progress from one week to the next? Do you focus on 10 things? Do you focus on two things?”
Harry Hiestand: “The number one thing is what we do in practice and what we do in meetings and our attention to detail. There’s continuous work on fundamentals _ and it’s coming. There’s a lot of people that have a lot of opinions on what’s happening and what (the line) is doing. Some know more than others. But what we’re seeing is, we’re seeing a group of guys that are continually working, that really care about what they do, are great professionals that are giving their best effort. We will continue to work to get better. It’s a daily/weekly process that we’re after, but we can’t ask for any more than what they’re doing. We need to play better. That’s what we’re out here to do. That’s our job. That’s our profession. They’re proud men that work very hard at what they do.”

JS: “Do the guys know, ‘OK, it’s Wednesday. We’re going to do the exact same thing in practice as last Wednesday?’ Or is it tweaked from week-to-week?’
HH: “It changes by the defense that we’re seeing. Their techniques, their alignments change every week. It’s different every week. It’s a constantly changing thing, so maybe three weeks ago we saw something similar to what we’re seeing this week. We go from a pure “two-gap,” two guards uncovered front to a much different defense this week. Maybe we saw a little bit of that a month ago.”

(Note: Arizona head coach Ken Whisenhunt comes from the Pittsburgh Steelers coaching tree and switched the Cardinals this year to the 3-4, which is what the Bears saw in Week 2 from the Steelers).

JS: “As you grade on a weekly basis, in general are your guys’ grades going up each week…or is it more of a roller coaster?”
HH: “Well, it depends on…there’s no real highs or real lows. There’s technique (where) there’s a few things where we’ve got to do better on a particular assignment here and there. It’s a constant emphasis on fundamentals and improving our technique.”

JS: “Are they graded in multiple areas? Not just you give them, say, an overall 82? There’s one for technique, one for assignments…”
HH: “Right, right.”

JS: “Who’s been consistently the best?”
HH (wasting no time): “Olin (Kreutz). And you know, somebody told me -- because I don’t pay attention to it -- what (Cleveland Browns nose tackle) Shaun Rogers did. I guess there was a comment made (in a newspaper) that Shaun Rogers had his footprint on Olin’s chest. This is a statistic league. A lot of people talk about stats. So, just for the heck of it, I checked the stats. If somebody checks the stats of what Shaun Rogers did in that game, he had 1 tackle, 1 assist and 2 quarterback hits. That’s (out of) 50-some plays. I’d say the footprint was the other way.

“I don’t know. You tell me. If you have 2 tackles and you run into the quarterback twice in 50-some plays, you guys would be ripping him if he was a Bear. Saying he’s not productive.”

JS: “Did Josh Beekman give you what you were looking for?”
HH: “Josh was solid.”

JS: “Is he better at pass-pro or run-blocking?”
HH: “He’s steady. A steady, consistent player.”

JS: “I don’t know as much about football as others. I was listening to John Jurkovic on WMVP radio the other day and he said Orlando (Pace) doesn’t have his knee bend anymore. A, is he correct? B, Is that an age thing where if he were 23…”
HH: “All I know is the guy’s busting his tail, doing the best job he can.”

JS: “How’s Chris Williams doing, considering he had virtually no experience coming into this season?”
HH: “He’s making progress. A little inconsistent at times like all of us. Our No. 1 thing is we’ve got to be more consistent across the board. We’ve got to get the same play…five guys doing what they’re supposed to do fundamentally on the same play. That’s our biggest challenge. We’ve been up and down. I think I saw progress this week and we need to keep progressing. That’s the No. 1 thing: Consistent. No doubt. Because one thing goes wrong, one guy’s out of whack, the whole thing looks bad to everybody. That’s our big challenge right now.”
 

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I find the fact that Tennessee has 0 OL commits currently quite concerning. Anybody know more about that? Is there a possible reason why Tennessee isn't really looking to recruit a lot of OLs this year?
 

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Pretty sure Tennessee loaded up on some highly touted o-linemen the last couple years.
 

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I felt that I could see Kelly saying the exact same words as Hiestand did in the posted Bears interview; careful, supportive of every player, quick to praise the guy clearly worth praising, talking about attention to detail, getting better every week, being professional in their practice demeanor... et al. This guy's going to be fine.
 

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@ChiTribHamilton:

Ohio State gives Ed Warinner co-offensive coordinator title as well as O-line duties. Tim Hinton to coach fullbacks and TEs. #NotreDame

This is good and bad news. Good, because it means Warriner didn't really make a horizontal move, since he got a promotion. Bad, because one has to wonder what we lost since Meyer made Warriner a co-OC.
 

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@ChiTribHamilton:



This is good and bad news. Good, because it means Warriner didn't really make a horizontal move, since he got a promotion. Bad, because one has to wonder what we lost since Meyer made Warriner a co-OC.

You could argue that we had the first shot to promote him, and chose not to.
 
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Seems to me, the most interesting tidbit of the whole situation is that Hilestand said no to Urbie, and yes in some way to Brian Kelly. This is important for a couple reasons. Urbie approached him first, and he said no, and then what did Urbie do after his first choice was declined? Take our leftovers? In the long term I believe this to be a win - win for us.

Further, Ed had been an OC, not a co-OC. He took the job as a line coach at ND. Maybe he thought he would get his foot in the door and move up. I think that there was a lot of bumps in the road with Kelly and the rest of the staff that stayed, and the three coaches that left. I think it was inevitable, "The Second-year Shakeup" that happens so often with successful staffs.

Isn't it always buy-out details and due diligence that holds assistant hires up? ND has to be number one at due diligence now, I would bet my O'Leary on it.
 
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You could argue that we had the first shot to promote him, and chose not to.

There are definitely worse problems to have than choosing between two talented future HCs for promotion. I just don't look forward to the b!tching about Warriner being let go when OSU starts rolling again.

"Swarbrick should have fired Kelly and promoted Warriner to HC!!1one"
 

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Seems to me, the most interesting tidbit of the whole situation is that Hilestand said no to Urbie, and yes in some way to Brian Kelly. This is important for a couple reasons. Urbie approached him first, and he said no, and then what did Urbie do after his first choice was declined? Take our leftovers? In the long term I believe this to be a win - win for us.

Isn't it always buy-out details and due diligence that holds assistant hires up? ND has to be number one at due diligence now, I would bet my O'Leary on it.

Where did you hear that? That is interesting if true.

To me, the big lesson in following assistant coaching decisions (including Urban's) is that there are not infinite options. You can't actually just go out and get whoever you want. It just doesn't work like that.

It was pretty remarkable to watch Florida, the school everyone touted as the mother ship two years ago, make a hire right after ND. They did not hit homeruns assistant coaches, but the fan base was a little more forgiving because they seemed unstoppable at the time.

There are definitely worse problems to have than choosing between two talented future HCs for promotion. I just don't look forward to the b!tching about Warriner being let go when OSU starts rolling again.

"Swarbrick should have fired Kelly and promoted Warriner to HC!!1one"

I see Martin as a potential HC, and Warnnier as a potential OC. I liked him, but I never got the impression he would make a great HC.
 
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