BCS changes on the horizon

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

BCS source: Playoff 'gets done' as part of new contract - NCAA Football - Sporting News

The BCS as we know it is going away  | ajc.com

"It's my impression that ... there will be meaningful discussion about possible changes to the BCS," Southeastern Conference Commissioner Mike Slive said last week as SEC rivals LSU and Alabama prepared to play in the title game Monday night at the Superdome.

The 11 conference commissioners and Notre Dame's athletic director will meet Tuesday in New Orleans to exchange ideas.

What the changes will be is hard to say because it's all open for debate, from eliminating automatic bids to top-tier bowl games to creating a four-team playoff — an idea that's known as the plus-one model.

This would be a major step in the right direction for college football. A 4 team playoff is perfect IMO.

 

[IrishMoore1]

Yeah and bad for ND

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's not good for ND, but good for CFB overall.

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

16 team playoff with all conference winners and 5 at large bids and i will be happy.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Feel free to discuss oversigning and possible penalties for such while you're at the mtg boys.

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

16 team playoff with all conference winners and 5 at large bids and i will be happy.

16 teams just seems like way too many to me.

I think 8 would be more like it maybe even 4, like someone mentioned before.

 

[connor_in]

Feel free to discuss oversigning and possible penalties for such while you're at the mtg boys.

Would love if they require a certain graduation rate as a qualifier...they are starting to finally discuss something along those lines for basketball
The NCAA's New Leader Goes on the Offensive - Athletics - The Chronicle of Higher Education

 

[ACamp1900]

16 team playoff with all conference winners and 5 at large bids and i will be happy.

This is my biggest fear... from four we go to eight, then 12, then 16, and so on... until The Rose Bowl and the only regular season worth two licks in this country is completely blown up... all for a stupid crap shoot tourney that never decides a true champion anyway because it completely segregates itself from the reg. season (Larger sample size)... how people don't see that is beyond me


such an easy fix... just move the damn title game selection until after the bowls... best medium you will ever get... lets hope they go with that.... Utah, Auburn, USC, Bosie, TCU, Ok St.... all these theams that 'got hosed' would have gotten their shot in that system... and you keep the reg. season and the rivalry games more meaningful than any other sport.... AND you bring back true meaning to the bowl games...

oh, and Lou Holtz agrees with me...

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Would love if they require a certain graduation rate as a qualifier...they are starting to finally discuss something along those lines for basketball
The NCAA's New Leader Goes on the Offensive - Athletics - The Chronicle of Higher Education

Agree 100%

 

[ACamp1900]

Agree 100%

As do I... problem is the very peopple that benefit from the current crap would most likely be the ones that have to okay the changes... kind of like term limits in congress....

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The +1 format under consideration isn't very different from what you're advocating, ACamp. The current BCS bowls would simply turn into the quarterfinals of a short postseason tournament.

 

[ACamp1900]

The +1 format under consideration isn't very different from what you're advocating, ACamp. The current BCS bowls would simply turn into the quarterfinals of a short postseason tournament.

Kind of... but I don't like the poteintal of the bowls being viewed as simply playoffs... within time you have "to hell with them, let's just have a playoff"... you don't HAVE to have a 1-4, 2-3 every year... playoffs are good tiebreakers when needed... NOT good tools for deciding what often has already been made clear through the reg. season... some years we need it some we don't... leaving the bowls the bowls leaves the possiblity for both...


other note... this will never end... if people complain about injustice in cbb when 60plus teams get in... that crowd will never, under any circumstance stay satisfied with cff... i say to hell with them from the get go...

 

[FrankMA]

This is my biggest fear... from four we go to eight, then 12, then 16, and so on... until The Rose Bowl and the only regular season worth two licks in this country is completely blown up... all for a stupid crap shoot tourney that never decides a true champion anyway because it completely segregates itself from the reg. season (Larger sample size)... how people don't see that is beyond me


such an easy fix... just move the damn title game selection until after the bowls... best medium you will ever get... lets hope they go with that.... Utah, Auburn, USC, Bosie, TCU, Ok St.... all these theams that 'got hosed' would have gotten their shot in that system... and you keep the reg. season and the rivalry games more meaningful than any other sport.... AND you bring back true meaning to the bowl games...

oh, and Lou Holtz agrees with me...

And, for my two cents worth, I agree with you 100%. Let's not destroy college football with a playoff system.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm for

1. 6-team playoff where the two highest ranked teams get byes.
2. I would eliminate auto-qualifiers for any conference
3. Any team that did not play in the championship game of their conference (if applicable) or in the top 2 in their conference standings (if applicable) would not be eligible.
4. Two teams from the same conference could not play each other in the "quarterfinals"

 

[notredomer23]

12 team playoff. Top 4 seeds have byes. 5 auto qualifiers (acc sec big 10 PAC 12 and big 12 winners). This is what I would like to see

 

[condoms SUCk]

I say have 4 team play off, keep the for BCS bowl games like they are, but rotate the two BCS bowls that will host the "final four" similar to how the NC game rotates between the four sites now.

Scenario 1- Let’s say Rose Bowl, NOT part of the "final 4" then they can keep their affiliation with the PAC 12 and B10.

Scenario 2. In the years that the Rose Bowl ARE part of the "final 4" then they would have to pick two of the top 4 team.

How that would be done is if the Rose bowl is also the site of the NC game then they get the #1 and # 4 teams based on BCS numbers, the other bowl, let’s say Fiesta, will get #2 and #3.

Sugar and Orange in scenario 2 still keep the BCS money and attention and keep conf affiliation, or choose the at large bids, or something comparable.

Sorry if that was confusing, but he!! not as confusing, or frustrating as it is now.

 

[notredomer23]

Can someone tell me how the fcs playoffs work

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The real problem with the current system is the polling system.

That's one attractive feature of hypothetical superconferences and a playoff; no popularity contests.

 

[ACamp1900]

The real problem with the current system is the polling system.

That's one attractive feature of hypothetical superconferences and a playoff; no popularity contests.

well no,... you are justing trading the contest for 1 and 2 and expanding on it a bit...

What I agree with:

-The BCS needs to change... NOW
-The coaches should have no say in the polling... (See Nick Saban in the closest vote ever voting OSU down like he did...)

I would add
-Have to win your conference
-playoffs aren't a legit answer unless you just like the entertainment factor.

 

[condoms SUCk]

The real problem with the current system is the polling system.

That's one attractive feature of hypothetical superconferences and a playoff; no popularity contests.

^ word

 

[kmoose]

12 team playoff. Top 4 seeds have byes. 5 auto qualifiers (acc sec big 10 PAC 12 and big 12 winners). This is what I would like to see

So you would have been OK with 6-7 UCLA being in the playoffs?

 

[notredomer23]

So you would have been OK with 6-7 UCLA being in the playoffs?

No because I don't have a conference championship game. If there is a tie at the top it goes head to head during the season and if they don't play then it goes off of rank

 

[Whiskeyjack]

well no,... you are justing trading the contest for 1 and 2 and expanding on it a bit...

How so? In a superconference + playoff scenario, the only factor determining who advances to the next stage is record.

Any system that maintains a human polling element will continue to be seriously flawed. The AP poll incorporates plenty of indefensibly stupid votes, so eliminating the self-interested coaches poll doesn't fix the problem.

No one has time to watch all the games, so asking a relatively small group of people to vote on all of them will invariably result in lazy groupthink, which should have no place in deciding who plays to a playoff.

 

[NDFan4Life]

Can someone tell me how the fcs playoffs work

This has a pretty decent write-up about it:

NCAA Division I Football Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[notredomer23]

This has a pretty decent write-up about it:

NCAA Division I Football Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks. I wouldn't mind a 20 team playoff with the first 4 being play-in games.

 

[kmoose]

No because I don't have a conference championship game. If there is a tie at the top it goes head to head during the season and if they don't play then it goes off of rank

OK. Let's say the top two teams in the conference are banned from post season play, and the 3rd place team is 6-7?

My point is that you can't just arbitrarily say "the champion of X conference will automatically qualify for the playoffs". It just can't be that simple.

 

[NYMIKE6]

I just got a migraine from reading this thread........

 

[notredomer23]

OK. Let's say the top two teams in the conference are banned from post season play, and the 3rd place team is 6-7?

My point is that you can't just arbitrarily say "the champion of X conference will automatically qualify for the playoffs". It just can't be that simple.

touche. For what its worth, I hate the automatic qualifier thing. But what is the point of conferences if there is no automatic qualifier? I guess there needs to be a discrepancy like the conference champ gets an auto bid as long as they are ranked in the top 20

 

[irishtrain]

I'll expand on this if anybody shows interest but I'd like to see total independent open bidding by all the bowls with no tie ins. If a bowl wants to cut its own throat by tieing in with 1/2 conferences let 'em do it.

 

[phork]

Model D2 and D3, period. No one but old fuddy duddies gives a flying leap about tradition anymore.

Even doing this will not stop the dumbassery from occurring. The first step that needs to happen is too abandon the NCAA. After that you take the best 64 teams regionally divided into West, South, Midwest and East. 16 teams in each conference. Run your schedule however you feel but you must play 9 conference games and 3 games out of conference from the other conferences.

Top 2 teams in each conference will have automatic berths into the 16 team playoff. There are 8 at-large berths solely based on a ranking system like the BCS with no coaches or media polls. Strictly computers with all facets of game wins and losses tabulated.

The top 8 seeds will get home games for the first round, which will take the place of the old conference championship week. The remaining 8 teams from those games will square off in the 4 old big bowls, the remaining 4 teams will play out the string where ever.