'12 CA DT/DE Arik Armstead (Oregon Verbal)

[PANDFAN]

not questioning the veracity of your assertion rather im just curious how you came up with a specific number of guys they need to "cut".

in other words how about a quick analysis of usc and their scholorship restrictions vs what they have in house now factoring in their current recruting class?

have it on my desk by 5pm LOL

there is a breakdown on scholarships done by NDinLA search his posts

 

[phork]

Being discussed in the Armstead recruiting thread.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Being discussed in the Armstead recruiting thread.

And so it is.....

 

[IrishFrog]

Buddy from work who went to UT is mouthing that orangeblood is reporting that Arik is setting up a visit to Austin. I mentioned to him the Armond situation and he said that they are trying to get him an official visit as well. Arik will love Austin, about as cool of a college town as you will find, only thing is I think Texas wants to use Arik on offense.

 

[PLACforever]

"Perfectly healthy" is relative. But Danny had, I think, 3-4 concussions in his time at ND. His injuries occurred around the Declan Sullivan tragedy too. Keep that in mind...

ERRONEOUS!


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[NDTampa]

Buddy from work who went to UT is mouthing that orangeblood is reporting that Arik is setting up a visit to Austin. I mentioned to him the Armond situation and he said that they are trying to get him an official visit as well. Arik will love Austin, about as cool of a college town as you will find, only thing is I think Texas wants to use Arik on offense.

I believe he said in his live chat a few days ago that he wasn't planning on taking a visit to Texas, but that he found out it was only an hour from San Antonio and could make a quick stop there.

I'm also not sure what his relationship is with Rick Barnes or the rest of the bball staff at Texas, but he specifically mentioned his relationship with ND and Cal bball staff.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Im not very familiar with all the recruiting rules, but is it possible for both Brey and Kelly to visit the armsteads together?

I feel like having both head coaches in their house simultaneously would go a long way in getting Arik at least.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Im not very familiar with all the recruiting rules, but is it possible for both Brey and Kelly to visit the armsteads together?

I feel like having both head coaches in their house simultaneously would go a long way in getting Arik at least.

^^^ I like the way you think!!!!

 

[IrishFrog]

I believe he said in his live chat a few days ago that he wasn't planning on taking a visit to Texas, but that he found out it was only an hour from San Antonio and could make a quick stop there.

I'm also not sure what his relationship is with Rick Barnes or the rest of the bball staff at Texas, but he specifically mentioned his relationship with ND and Cal bball staff.

I agree with the basketball relationship being on our side, but also just saw on ESPN that he mentioned an official to Texas was probably going to be his next move.

Per ESPN Armstead has visited Oregon, Cal and Notre Dame, and he said an official to Texas may be next for him.

Like I said, I usually never believe cocky, pathetic UT fans especially since I went to TCU and have to constantly deal with the idiots, but I will say that they usually get what they want as far as recruiting goes. I would highly doubt Arik commits there, but I could definitely see them taking an official.

 

[IrishLax]

not questioning the veracity of your assertion rather im just curious how you came up with a specific number of guys they need to "cut".

in other words how about a quick analysis of usc and their scholorship restrictions vs what they have in house now factoring in their current recruting class?

have it on my desk by 5pm LOL

Well, there is a reason I said roughly. And sorry this will be abbreviated since I have to post by phone at work. Basically, they're at their scholarship max right now... maybe even over by a guy... but it's all quite fuzzy. They have 7 2012 recruits and can take up to 8 more and stay under 15. But then they're going to have to make some guys currently on scholarship disappear. So reading the tea leaves, they're probably going to end up signing at least 5 more guys and up to something like 10 if they can get some last minute EEs.

So a good guess is that they will end up having to cut about 7 guys... basically for every recruit they add from here on out they have to get rid of someone.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Im not very familiar with all the recruiting rules, but is it possible for both Brey and Kelly to visit the armsteads together?

I feel like having both head coaches in their house simultaneously would go a long way in getting Arik at least.

I believe both have aleady done a in-home visit.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I believe both have aleady done a in-home visit.

Correct, I know that both have... And if memory serves, both visited within the same week about.

However, I feel like both coaches sitting in Arik's house could go a real long way imo.

 

[Old Man Mike]

LA probably already has this on here somewhere, but an analyst gave these numbers for USC:

Seniors on scholarship for 2012 [upcoming] season: 18;
Juniors on scholarship: 12;
Sophomores on scholarship: 21;
Red-shirt freshmen on scholarship: 16.

Total: 67.
NCAA cap: 75.
Spots theoretically left for this years recruits: 8.
Already accepted signees: 4. [to be EEs I think.].
Spots then left: 4.
Currently verbaled: 7. [therefore already 3 over NCAA limit.]

Stated recruiting goals: 5 EEs [one more than in already]. and 15 "new" beyond the EEs.

Result should that take place: 12 excess scholarships.

"Solution"?: Immorally run that many off.

 

[BeauBenken]

I didn't even know we accepted 5th year transfers...

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

The last transfer I remember is Bobby Burger, any others?

 

[Old Man Mike]

Crazed thinking by me, but maybe someone will see clearer:

A). last season we played seven D-Linemen a lot [EJ, Cwynar, KLM, Lynch, Nix, Tuitt, Hounshell] and a few saw small duty [Schwenke, HWilliams, and I believe some CATs lining up as down D-Line].

B). If we use last season as a template for next, and if Cwynar doesn't return because both Armsteads come on board, then a high-employment seven would have to be: Lynch, Nix, Tuitt, KLM, Hounshell, and both Armsteads IF THEY WERE going to get their wish of "playing together". Talent-wise, that would be pretty formidable if the elder Armstead is healthy and the younger "as advertised".

C). That action would have several consequences: Schwenke would get another year mostly on the pines; Springmann would not see the light of day, and some talk of switching to O-Line might occur; all three of Jones, Day, and Okwara would redshirt. [and Cwynar would not be back]. I leave the debate as to whether these consequences are good or bad for future football historians.

 

[irish o'phile]

Last night I had a prophetic dream that Arik committed to Notre Dame, only he had a different name. However, I must advise that you do not put too much stock into this prophecy. At a later point in the same dream I was a transformer, and I was being chased by my friend's wife. She was driving a bus and I was riding a plastic sled down the street with no snow on it.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

OMM, I'm having trouble seeing your point. I can't tell if you're for this (as it will upgrade talent) or against it (as it may hurt others feelings). Personally, I don't care about feelings. I care about wins. Continuing to upgrade talent and increase competition in practice and getting the best players on the field is what this program needs on a consistent year-in and year-out basis. Adding the Armstead brothers does nothing but help this program.

 

[NYIrish14]

Last night I had a prophetic dream that Arik committed to Notre Dame, only he had a different name. However, I must advise that you do not put too much stock into this prophecy. At a later point in the same dream I was a transformer, and I was being chased by my friend's wife. She was driving a bus and I was riding a plastic sled down the street with no snow on it.

I actually just lol'd

 

[Riddickulous]

Last night I had a prophetic dream that Arik committed to Notre Dame, only he had a different name. However, I must advise that you do not put too much stock into this prophecy. At a later point in the same dream I was a transformer, and I was being chased by my friend's wife. She was driving a bus and I was riding a plastic sled down the street with no snow on it.

This has a better chance of happening than us landing Arik Armstead.

 

[Bobias]

Last night I had a prophetic dream that Arik committed to Notre Dame, only he had a different name. However, I must advise that you do not put too much stock into this prophecy. At a later point in the same dream I was a transformer, and I was being chased by my friend's wife. She was driving a bus and I was riding a plastic sled down the street with no snow on it.

 

[Irish2015]

This has a better chance of happening than us landing Arik Armstead.

I didn't see the sarcasm font, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. What more does the kid have to do to prove he has legit interest in us. His online chat thing with rivals screamed a Cal/ND battle and now today rumors of his brother looking to transfer to ND pop up. Arik mentioned that he would love to play with his brother so I would say there is actually a pretty good shot of us landing him. But again I'm going to assume you were being sarcastic.

 

[CarrollVermin]

For some strange reason, I am starting to feel a little better about landing him. I am not an "insider" and don't move on a "hunch" very often, but with the other recruits pulling at him, we may not be as long of a shot as some people believe.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Bleed: do I HAVE to have a point, or is it not good enough to simply lay facts out there for people to ruminate upon and come to their own "points"? ( amazing to me that some folks will argue with even a person tossing out facts for others to give some enlightenment on --- lovely world. )

 

[irishog77]

Crazed thinking by me, but maybe someone will see clearer:

A). last season we played seven D-Linemen a lot [EJ, Cwynar, KLM, Lynch, Nix, Tuitt, Hounshell] and a few saw small duty [Schwenke, HWilliams, and I believe some CATs lining up as down D-Line].

B). If we use last season as a template for next, and if Cwynar doesn't return because both Armsteads come on board, then a high-employment seven would have to be: Lynch, Nix, Tuitt, KLM, Hounshell, and both Armsteads IF THEY WERE going to get their wish of "playing together". Talent-wise, that would be pretty formidable if the elder Armstead is healthy and the younger "as advertised".

C). That action would have several consequences: Schwenke would get another year mostly on the pines; Springmann would not see the light of day, and some talk of switching to O-Line might occur; all three of Jones, Day, and Okwara would redshirt. [and Cwynar would not be back]. I leave the debate as to whether these consequences are good or bad for future football historians.

In this hypothetical, I see adding Armstead the Elder and losing Cwynar as a wash/slight edge-- Armstead being a little better talent, but a year of rust and new to ND and the system. Armstead the Younger, though, is by all accounts at least on par, if not better, a talent as Lynch and Tuitt. I also see no reason BK and Diaco can't use more than 7 DL. If Springmann, Jones, and/or Day deserve playing time, I think they'd get it. It could also perhaps be an opportunity to redshirt Hounshel (I know BK alluded to the fact that he wanted to redshirt Schwenke this year, despite him playing a little as a frosh.) or even Schwenke. I've been with you, OMM, all along and think Okwara will be a DE. DE or OLB, I think he'll most likely be redshirting anyway. So no loss there. Perhaps the staff can do a better job in '12 of getting younger players in games earlier against the lesser opponents in the out of reach games. I think Nix, Lynch, and Tuitt all perhaps played a little more and a little longer into some games because they were freshmen and needed the experience and reps. That won't necessarily be the case next year. Plus, going forward into the following recruiting cycle, numbers will be TIGHT. Over half the class will be dedicated to OL, TE, LB's, and QB for sure, so we may only get 1 or 2 DL then. That may ease some of the burden of young guys redshirting/not seeing much playing time in '12.

In summary, if we got both Armsteads (along with Jones and Day...and even Okwara) and despite losing Cwynar....I'd still be doing cartwheels and kissing old ladies!

 

[BGIF]

Lots of good work looking at ND and USC scholarship numbers but pardon the academic questions (this IS Notre Dame).

Since when has ND taken graduate school athletes in the 5th year program? Armond's USC bio lists him as a Senior Sociology Major. Let's assume me worked hard unlike Leinhart and didn't take Ballroom Dancing, etc. does he have the GPA and coursework for any ND grad program?

IF he isn't a graduate, since when does ND take Senior transfers?

If it were the NFL it would be a great roster move but it's not THIS IS ND. This isn't Alabama or Auburn where Saban or Chizik make the decision and the profs dance. Let's be pragmatic. There are academic and logistical issues which trump the football roster.

Further, if Arik's decision to come to ND is contingent upon his brother's acceptance there's a major schedule conflict. The Faculty Board that determines 5th Year Admissions doesn't meet until after NSD which is already a couple of weeks AFTER Arik would have started classes at ND as an Early Enrollee. Kelly could run his transcript past Admissions or a prof or two to "see" if it's looks OK but there still is a UND faculty evaluation process that has to take place AFTER Arik's deadline for EE.

 

[irishog77]

Why couldn't Armstead the Elder be viewed as a typical grad student...if he graduated from USC in December, or does in May? Could he not be accepted as a grad student and enroll this summer...and just happen to play football?

 

[IrishLax]

Ugh just lost a post to the internet demons. Abbreviated version because I'm too lazy to type the whole thing again and have to run to dinner:

I think people are grossly overestimating the effect Armond's transfer is going to have on Arik's decision. You have to realize that Arik is operating in a very condensed window of ~2 weeks to take 1-2 more visits, finish up some coursework, make a decision, and report to campus. The logistics of coordinating where him and Armond land is near impossible in that time frame.

I think Armond is looking hard at ND because of Arik's legit interest in the Irish. While Arik would without a doubt love to play with his brother; the mot important things to him are going to be his fit for basketball and his fit for football (3-4 DE absolutely not OL). ND has positioned themselves really well there, but it's really a wide open race depending on how things go on his remaining visits. These next couple days will be a whirlwind... Shaq Thompson and Jordan Payton might commit to Cal, he's going to be taking visits and then immediately making a choice while they're fresh in his head, etc. Anything can happen.

It's also important to realize that historically with #1 recruits whose decisions come down to the very end of the cycle there can be tons of "funny business" and when you're talking about Auburn and Texas all bets are off. So regardless of which way he is leaning now, it basically almost not worth discussing until he's enrolled in a school on 1/17.

 

[TouchdownStevus]

" getting closer to a decision " min ago on twitter

 

[BGIF]

Why couldn't Armstead the Elder be viewed as a typical grad student...if he graduated from USC in December, or does in May? Could he not be accepted as a grad student and enroll this summer...and just happen to play football?

OK, let's assume Armond is a "typical grad student". "Typical" probably is not going to get accepted at ND. Competition is fierce. I don't know his personal academic creditentials but he is coming from a school that doesn't have a reputation for academic excellence within its football program, does it?

Maybe he's the exception like Myron Rolle was at FSU. If he was Myron Rolle or was coming from Stanford, Vandy, PSU, UVA, Duke, or some other schools that also strives for academic excellence and had a solid transcript there might be a chance. Regardless of where he got his undergraduate degree, have you ever heard of a post graduate coming to ND to play football? I don't.

I'd love to have either or both the Armstead's talent on the field. But the academic issues are more significant than the football skills are.