'12 NJ CB Yuri Wright (Colorado Verbal)

[Whiskeyjack]

I'll happily make that change. I defaulted to "Black" only because that's how the NCAA identifies the category in the Federal Graduation Rate report from which I pulled the racial GSR stats.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Obviously you're not a Golfer?

I enjoy golf. Last time I went was about 6 months ago. Had to quit after the 11th hole because I ran out of balls. I had 27 of them when I tee'd off first hole.

 

[woolybug25]

I enjoy golf. Last time I went was about 6 months ago. Had to quit after the 11th hole because I ran out of balls. I had 27 of them when I tee'd off first hole.

lol.

reps

 

[Urban Meyer]

Does it annoy you when I post this stuff? Parents of recruits post here frequently, and I'm certain many more read this board without ever registering.

It's the parent's job to make sure their kids get an good education, not a fan on a message board. If a kid goes to a SEC school or any other school it doesn't make it a bad decision. Myron Rolle went to FSU and became a Rhodes Scholar. It really depends on how hard a kid works in the classroom.

 

[woolybug25]

It's the parent's job to make sure their kids get an good education, not a fan on a message board. If a kid goes to a SEC school or any other school it doesn't make it a bad decision. Myron Rolle went to FSU and became a Rhodes Scholar. It really depends on how hard a kid works in the classroom.

True, but schools care about graduating their players differently. Every kid's future certainly depends on them, but that isn't what Whiskey's comments show. They show how much the degree will be worth once a kid achieves it, and how aggressive the particular school acts when it comes to giving their student athletes a path to graduation.

It is most certainly relevant.

 

[Urban Meyer]

True, but schools care about graduating their players differently. Every kid's future certainly depends on them, but that isn't what Whiskey's comments show. They show how much the degree will be worth once a kid achieves it, and how aggressive the particular school acts when it comes to giving their student athletes a path to graduation.

It is most certainly relevant.

You have a point, but I'm not going to look down on a kid or the school he goes to just because it's not ND. Bottom line at the end of the day no matter what the stats are it's their decision.

 

[Irish4Life09]

To be fair, SCar is the worst school in the BCS. By a lot.

Expected 30y ROI for African American athletes at SCar is $171,296. Per year, that's only $5,710 over the average high school graduate. Pumping gas? No. Managing a gas station? Maybe.

I enjoy golf. Last time I went was about 6 months ago. Had to quit after the 11th hole because I ran out of balls. I had 27 of them when I tee'd off first hole.

all i can say is WOW.how did that possibly happen?
I can't imagine losing more than a few balls an entire round,let alone that many.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's the parent's job to make sure their kids get an good education, not a fan on a message board.

Coaches lie to recruits and parents all the time about the academic quality of their schools. Some of them don't care, but others are simply duped into believing the sales pitch. I'd venture to say that most parents and recruits genuinely do care about the quality of education being offered; Payscale's undergraduate degree value ranking and a school's football GSR provide an objective means for determining which schools are actually providing value to their student athletes, and which are simply exploiting them.

And let's be honest here. This is a business transaction. Blue chip recruits have a rare and valuable skill, for which universities are scrambling to purchase with a scholarship. Indeed, that scholarship is the only legal compensation these recruits are allowed to receive for their talents. Thus, it's important for these recruits to understand the relative value of what they're being offered.

If a kid goes to a SEC school or any other school it doesn't make it a bad decision.

Yes, in fact, it does. At least from the perspective of future earning potential for recruits who don't end up having long and profitable careers in the NFL (i.e. 99.9% of them).

Myron Rolle went to FSU and became a Rhodes Scholar.

There's an exception to every rule. FSU only graduates 44% of its African American football players. Can you honestly say that if you were the father of such an athlete, and he had offers from Stanford and FSU, you wouldn't strongly steer him toward Stanford?

It really depends on how hard a kid works in the classroom.

It also depends on the culture of the school/ program, the expectations set for the student athletes, the academic support available to student athletes, etc. All of that stuff is captured in the GSR. Claiming that "one can get a good education anywhere" is sophistry; there are dramatic differences in the market values of various undergraduate degrees.

Hard work always helps, but it rarely ever breaches the gap between Harvard and a local community college.

 

[Urban Meyer]

Coaches lie to recruits and parents all the time about the academic quality of their schools. Some of them don't care, but others are simply duped into believing the sales pitch. I'd venture to say that most parents and recruits genuinely do care about the quality of education being offered; Payscale's undergraduate degree value ranking and a school's football GSR provide an objective means for determining which schools are actually providing value to their student athletes, and which are simply exploiting them.

And let's be honest here. This is a business transaction. Blue chip recruits have a rare and valuable skill, for which universities are scrambling to purchase with a scholarship. Indeed, that scholarship is the only legal compensation these recruits are allowed to receive for their talents. Thus, it's important for these recruits to understand the relative value of what they're being offered.



Yes, in fact, it does. At least from the perspective of future earning potential for recruits who don't end up having long and profitable careers in the NFL (i.e. 99.9% of them).



There's an exception to every rule. FSU only graduates 44% of its African American football players. Can you honestly say that if you were the father of such an athlete, and he had offers from Stanford and FSU, you wouldn't strongly steer him toward Stanford?



It also depends on the culture of the school/ program, the expectations set for the student athletes, the academic support available to student athletes, etc. All of that stuff is captured in the GSR. Claiming that "one can get a good education anywhere" is sophistry; there are dramatic differences in the market values of various undergraduate degrees.

Hard work always helps, but it rarely ever breaches the gap between Harvard and a local community college.

If my kid wanted to go to FSU or anywhere else I would send him there, it's about where they want to go. Also I would like to see the stats for white athletes who go to these schools as well.

 

[aubeirish]

It's the parent's job to make sure their kids get an good education, not a fan on a message board. If a kid goes to a SEC school or any other school it doesn't make it a bad decision. Myron Rolle went to FSU and became a Rhodes Scholar. It really depends on how hard a kid works in the classroom.

Though I certainly agree with you about the will to be successful in the classroom has to come from the individual, Notre Dame on the other hand provides the kid with the tools and the proper environment to make sure that you can do it. These kids are stars on campus now a days. It's very easy to get distracted. I think that's where ND is special in the sense that they actually care about the success in the classroom. There are too many few of those schools who those. It's a shame, but it's a reality.

 

[BeauBenken]

If my kid wanted to go to FSU or anywhere else I would send him there, it's about where they want to go. Also I would like to see the stats for white athletes who go to these schools as well.

They are available in his tables.

Nobody is shunning kids who go to other schools or saying they can't be successful going there, but it's clear that Notre Dame does a better job graduating it's players and has the highest 30-year ROI (corrected).

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If my kid wanted to go to FSU or anywhere else I would send him there, it's about where they want to go.

Glad you're not my father.

Also I would like to see the stats for white athletes who go to these schools as well.

All the relevant stats can be found here. FSU's GSR for white football players is 93%, in case you're wondering, making their Racial GSR Disparity 49%, 2nd worst in the BCS. Tell me they're not exploiting those athletes.

 

[woolybug25]

If my kid wanted to go to FSU or anywhere else I would send him there, it's about where they want to go. Also I would like to see the stats for white athletes who go to these schools as well.

If my kid wanted to go to FSU I would projectile vomit all over my living room.

 

[magogian]

I'm an FSU grad (undergrad; ND for grad school). When I was at FSU, I could barely stop myself from laughing when a football player said he chose FSU for the academics. And practically each and every one of them said that. It was quite hilarious.

FSU is great place to go to school, but as the stop for academics it is not.

 

[Urban Meyer]

Glad you're not my father.



All the relevant stats can be found here. FSU's GSR for white football players is 93%, in case you're wondering, making their Racial GSR Disparity 49%, 2nd worst in the BCS. Tell me they're not exploiting those athletes.

I see what you're saying, but a lot recruits of recruits want to play in the NFL and ND hasn't had many high draft picks lately. Look at Cal for example, they aren't a great progam but they put players in the NFL, that's why they recruit so well. Recruits have their eye on the NFL, and you won't get some of these players if they see you don't produce high draft picks.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

all i can say is WOW.how did that possibly happen?
I can't imagine losing more than a few balls an entire round,let alone that many.

The only way I can explain it is this. I played baseball my entire life and the proper technique for swinging a golf club is COMPLETELY the opposite in just about every single regard. I have never been able to break the bad baseball habits. My slice is atrocious. I have tried everything including just completely lining up to hit the ball in the completely wrong direction to account for the slice....those are the times I hit it straight.

Lets put it this way, I bat right handed...my golf game is so bad I turned around and began golfing left handed and it was an improvement. I had to go out and buy new clubs and the whole ordeal to convert to being a lefty golfer. My game has gotten better, but it becomes an expensive hobby trying to sport the bill for enough balls to get through 1 holes or even 9 for that matter.
I am not exaggerating this at all. I am that bad. Buuuuut, I have a blast when I gather up the courage to embarrass myself.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I see what you're saying, but a lot recruits of recruits want to play in the NFL and ND hasn't had many high draft picks lately. Look at Cal for example, they aren't a great progam but they put players in the NFL, that's why they recruit so well. Recruits have their eye on the NFL, and you won't get some of these players if they see you don't produce high draft picks.

I understand that, and you'd better believe Cal and other draft-friendly schools tout that to potential recruits all day. But even Cal only had four players drafted (compared to ND's 1) this year; so what about the other ~16 kids from that recruiting class?

Less than 2% of all Division I football players get drafted. Even then, the average career length in the NFL is only ~3 years. Most end up kicking around between practice squads and eventually getting cut completely, crashing out of the League having earned less than $1 million.

The only practical way to approach this issue, even for the most elite recruits, is to treat the degree as insurance against the overwhelming odds that the recruit won't get drafted, or if drafted won't find long-term success in the NFL.

 

[BeauBenken]

The only way I can explain it is this. I played baseball my entire life and the proper technique for swinging a golf club is COMPLETELY the opposite in just about every single regard. I have never been able to break the bad baseball habits. My slice is atrocious. I have tried everything including just completely lining up to hit the ball in the completely wrong direction to account for the slice....those are the times I hit it straight.

Hmm, when I was little I use to "golf swing" baseballs out of the park. Maybe I should pick up golf? lol

 

[Grahambo]

If this has been mentioned, forgive me. I'm on my phone so its a pain but he tweeted about hoping to see skylar diggins during his OV.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If this has been mentioned, forgive me. I'm on my phone so its a pain but he tweeted about hoping to see skylar diggins during his OV.

I don't blame him.

I wonder if Skylar might be down for picking him up from the air port? I'm sure the University could find some legal way to compensate her for her time.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't blame him.

I wonder if Skylar might be down for picking him up from the air port? I'm sure the University could find some legal way to compensate her for her time.

Skyler is friends with Manti, I know that. They tweet to each other all the time.


That sounds way different than how I mean it....

 

[Ndaccountant]

Skyler is friends with Manti, I know that. They tweet to each other all the time.


That sounds way different than how I mean it....

I hate it when things turn out differently than intended....

 

[Me2SouthBend]

If my kid wanted to go to FSU or anywhere else I would send him there, it's about where they want to go. Also I would like to see the stats for white athletes who go to these schools as well.

Nothing personal but, that my friend is extremely short sighted. True story, I have 2 nephews, love them both. 1st worked his *** off in HS, got accepted to West Point, graduated went on to Ranger school, Airborne, graduated both. 2nd nephew goes to State College, graduates. If both walk into an interview, who gets hired? Not even close. The opportunities that are available to the 2 are worlds apart. The facts that have been presented to you by Whiskey are essentially that in a nutshell. You shouldn't sell your kid short like that, as a parent you owe your kid better opportunities.

 

[ND NYC]

Teo4:
the most important thing in golf that is the key to EVERYTHING is your GRIP.
spend your money and time on some lessons if you had the eye-hand to hit that baseball i guarantee you will learn golf but you must get LESSONS from a good pro.
i know i was you then i focused on the game for about a year of just lessons, and sticking to what i was taught.
if the pro doesnt start the first lesson off with a pitching wedge in your hand and make sure you have the right GRIP....pick another one.

 

[BeauBenken]

Nothing personal but, that my friend is extremely short sighted. True story, I have 2 nephews, love them both. 1st worked his *** off in HS, got accepted to West Point, graduated went on to Ranger school, Airborne, graduated both. 2nd nephew goes to State College, graduates. If both walk into an interview, who gets hired? Not even close. The opportunities that are available to the 2 are worlds apart. The facts that have been presented to you by Whiskey are essentially that in a nutshell. You shouldn't sell your kid short like that, as a parent you owe your kid better opportunities.

Look at the big brain on Brett!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Skyler is friends with Manti, I know that. They tweet to each other all the time.

That sounds way different than how I mean it....

I'd love to see those two together. They would produce superior offspring.

Hrm. Is this what it feels like to be a teenage girl?

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Teo4:
the most important thing in golf that is the key to EVERYTHING is your GRIP.
spend your money and time on some lessons if you had the eye-hand to hit that baseball i guarantee you will learn golf but you must get LESSONS from a good pro.
i know i was you then i focused on the game for about a year of just lessons, and sticking to what i was taught.
if the pro doesnt start the first lesson off with a pitching wedge in your hand and make sure you have the right GRIP....pick another one.

Thanks man.
Reps!

 

[rtrn2glory]

michigan pal is saying there's some positive vibes for us in regards to yuri after his visit with coach kelly...says that he seems to be favoring us now. not sure if i believe it or not, but thought i'd pass along information from the dark side.

 

[PANDFAN]

michigan pal is saying there's some positive vibes for us in regards to yuri after his visit with coach kelly...says that he seems to be favoring us now. not sure if i believe it or not, but thought i'd pass along information from the dark side.

never trust the enemy

 

[rtrn2glory]

never trust the enemy

i agree, but he's as die hard/stupid as the rest of us so he usually gets some pretty good info.

gonna be an interesting weekend visit nonetheless.