Nov 26 | at Stanford

notredomer23

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Take away USC and Stanford has beaten no one this year. They have beaten not one ranked team besides USC and their best win outside of them is probably against a bad 6-5 UCLA team. Those who say we have no shot have not watched them much this year. They should have killed Cal, just like we should have killed BC, but only beat them 31-28. To say we have no chance at winning is simply idiotic.

That said I do not think we will win, but this team will not get blown out. Not a chance.
 

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First odds I have seen is ND being 6.5 point dogs.

I actually thought the spread was going to be bigger.
 

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Kelly will have some wrinkles for this game. He'll have more then a few plays that we have not shown this year. Hendrix will be used a lot to keep the defense off balanced. We're also going to be moving at a very high tempo (Oregon).

Our only shot to beat them is with speed. I.e. Oregon. I expect GA3 to play a big role in this game.

26-24 ND---yup im calling the upset. BK and ND know this is their oppurtunity to make a statement. They get it done. BOOM!!
 

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Take away USC and Stanford has beaten no one this year. They have beaten not one ranked team besides USC and their best win outside of them is probably against a bad 6-5 UCLA team. Those who say we have no shot have not watched them much this year. They should have killed Cal, just like we should have killed BC, but only beat them 31-28. To say we have no chance at winning is simply idiotic.

That said I do not think we will win, but this team will not get blown out. Not a chance.

This. Simply put, if our LBs/Zeke Motta bring their A game it's crazy to think we won't be in this to the end. Cal is horrendous on offense and put up 28 points. Not having Jonas Gray is going to REALLY hurt because I truly feel we could gash this team on the ground. But still... we should be able to score at least around ~28 and the rest will come down to how well we cover tight ends.
 

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This. Simply put, if our LBs/Zeke Motta bring their A game it's crazy to think we won't be in this to the end. Cal is horrendous on offense and put up 28 points. Not having Jonas Gray is going to REALLY hurt because I truly feel we could gash this team on the ground. But still... we should be able to score at least around ~28 and the rest will come down to how well we cover tight ends.

I understand where you are coming from however we couldn't score more then 16 against BC.
 

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bottom line is we have to play really good in order to be in this game. we won't compete with an offensive effort like the one we had yesterday...just a quick view makes me realize how much we miss braxton.
 

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BC is better on defense than Stanford. Seriously.

No. Kuechly is better than Stanford's LBs (I think Skov was better, but he's injured), but Stanford's D-linemen and cornerbacks are much better (look at how many interceptions BC's CB dropped yesterday - and Floyd won't be able to shove down Stanford's cornerbacks as easily as he did with BC).
 

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Everyone talks about Luck as the leader...however, I think Skov was the heart and soul of this team. They sure do mis him....
 

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We have the speed to give Stanford fits, we just need it to be put into a position to be used. I think the tempo is key. Stanford is big and strong, we won't win by pounding the ball slowly. We have to use a fast tempo to wear them down.

If Stanford has their hands on their hips in the 4th Q then ND has a shot.
 
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No. Kuechly is better than Stanford's LBs (I think Skov was better, but he's injured), but Stanford's D-linemen and cornerbacks are much better (look at how many interceptions BC's CB dropped yesterday - and Floyd won't be able to shove down Stanford's cornerbacks as easily as he did with BC).

That's just not true. It really isn't. Stanford's defense has only played well against really bad teams. Against the two ranked teams Stanford has played they gave up 48 and 53... an average of 50.5 points per game.

BC, despite being handicapped by an absolutely awful offense that many times gave opponents great field position/more drives and no rest to their defense, gave up 36, 30, and 16 to the three ranked teams they played... an average of about 27 points per game.

So Stanford gives up roughly 87% more points per game against good teams than BC does against good teams. Does Stanford have a better secondary? Yeah, on a lot of levels what you're saying is spot on. But BC's front 7 is in total far superior to Stanford's. I don't really understand where you're coming from talking about Stanford's DL being a strong point. When they haven't been up on teams big and therefor been able to play strictly against the pass, Stanford's DL has not shown they can defend the run.
 

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I think we'll have to agree to disagree about the d-lines. Stanford is usually so far ahead of the teams they play that they usually don't have to worry about the run. But purely based on talent, Stanford is better along the d-line. And as far as the points average, USC played a damn-near-perfect game, and the other was Oregon. Oregon would take BC behind the woodshed and go "deliverance" on them. The ranked teams BC played were so far ahead (I'm excluding ND and including FSU), that they eased up in the second half and let the reserves play. It's not accurate to compare the two on those stats.
 
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notredomer23;595367[B said:
]Take away USC and Stanford has beaten no one this year.[/B] They have beaten not one ranked team besides USC and their best win outside of them is probably against a bad 6-5 UCLA team. Those who say we have no shot have not watched them much this year. They should have killed Cal, just like we should have killed BC, but only beat them 31-28. To say we have no chance at winning is simply idiotic.

That said I do not think we will win, but this team will not get blown out. Not a chance.

Ok, but they did beat USC who has proven to be a really good team.

Who have we beat? Last I checked, we're 3-3 against teams that are .500 or better. USC controlled us the whole game and Stanford went into their house and beat them in a close game.
 

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Too far away to even think about but something tells me this team will not have the record at the end of the season that everyone thinks they will. If the 'Irish are healthy I think they win this game and the young guys will not be freshman by this time of the year.
With all that has transpired during this season getting my 9-3 now means beating these guys-so lets go do it. Hell win one for Jonas! Stanford can be beaten.
 

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Kelly will have some wrinkles for this game. He'll have more then a few plays that we have not shown this year. Hendrix will be used a lot to keep the defense off balanced. We're also going to be moving at a very high tempo (Oregon).

Our only shot to beat them is with speed. I.e. Oregon. I expect GA3 to play a big role in this game.

26-24 ND---yup im calling the upset. BK and ND know this is their oppurtunity to make a statement. They get it done. BOOM!!

I'll remain skeptical. I'd feel better with Jonas.

Ok, but they did beat USC who has proven to be a really good team.

Who have we beat? Last I checked, we're 3-3 against teams that are .500 or better. USC controlled us the whole game and Stanford went into their house and beat them in a close game.

The transitive property doesn't work. We lost to USF, who got destroyed by Pittsburgh, but we beat Pittsburgh. We beat Sparty, who easily handled Michigan, but we lost to Michigan.

And this second statement is correct. We have one signature win over Michigan State. Aside from that, our best win is over 6-5 Wake Forest.
 
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I just hope that we keep it close. Stanford has been putting on an offensive show all year long. They average 45 a game, have scored at lest 30 in every game, 35 in regulation against a USC team we couldn't move the ball on, and are in the top 25 in both passing and rushing yards. Might be the most offensively balanced team in the country. I don't know much about their defense other than they give up just under 21 points per game.

And if their defense is any good (like I said, I don't know), that's bad news for our offense. Tommy plays awful against respectable defenses, and we're going to have to score 30 to beat these guys.

To beat them we're going to have to have our best players play like stars. Manti might have to finally get that big hit that forces a fumble and Harrison is going to have to make plays in the secondary. Tommy needs to take some chances down the field and avoid double coverage. Be nice if Riddick added something as well. Oh, and a KR by GAIII while we're at it. Jamoris has to keep running around like that crazy guy from the Wachati tribe that fights Ace in When Nature Calls.

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We have the speed to give Stanford fits, we just need it to be put into a position to be used. I think the tempo is key. Stanford is big and strong, we won't win by pounding the ball slowly. We have to use a fast tempo to wear them down.

If Stanford has their hands on their hips in the 4th Q then ND has a shot.

You are right we do have some speed but it hasn't showed up Yet. Jones and Riddick haven't do anything this year. So that leaves us with the same 2 targets Floyd and Eifert. I have a good feeling that they are going to shut Floyd down. I do like Toma in the game and think he is the better option then Jones or Riddick.
 

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The transitive property doesn't work. We lost to USF, who got destroyed by Pittsburgh, but we beat Pittsburgh. We beat Sparty, who easily handled Michigan, but we lost to Michigan.

And this second statement is correct. We have one signature win over Michigan State. Aside from that, our best win is over 6-5 Wake Forest.



To be fair those were when you were having turnover issues, and while you may be a better team you're still not good enough to beat the other team and your mistakes.
 

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I think Notre Dame needs to go all out in this one and play for broke. To use a boxing analogy, we can't try to win on points, we need to go for a KO. Blitzes, reverses, hurry up offense, just keep the pressure on until Stanford breaks. They need to seize the initiative from the jump and have Stanford playing catch up.
 
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I think Notre Dame needs to go all out in this one and play for broke. To use a boxing analogy, we can't try to win on points, we need to go for a KO. Blitzes, reverses, hurry up offense, just keep the pressure on until Stanford breaks. They need to seize the initiative from the jump and have Stanford playing catch up.

This kind of game plan seems to me like panic and desperation. The battle will be won at the LOS. If they are able to run the ball effectively, we lose plain and simple. We stop the run and establish a run game of our own, it could get interesting.
 

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This kind of game plan seems to me like panic and desperation. The battle will be won at the LOS. If they are able to run the ball effectively, we lose plain and simple. We stop the run and establish a run game of our own, it could get interesting.

Exactly. For our hurry-up offense to work well enough to throw off Stanford, we'd have to be operating at Oregon's level, which we can all admit is not happening. Establish the run game, allow Tommy to only have to throw short completions to move the chains, stop the play-action on defense, and we win. Honestly, Stanford's offense is what scares me about this game. I think we will be able to move the ball on them. Luck rolling out on the play action bootleg is surgical, and as we know all too well, our LBs can't cover. It'll take a hell of a defensive scheme - Let's hope Coach D is up for it.
 

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Solid post from a guy at II. BigHoss28:

I have said this probably about a dozen times on this board... There is a huge number of posters here who simply ignore the state of college football today and continue to feel that Notre Dame should dominate every team they're favored against.

This is not and has not been feasible for a long time. It isn't a Notre Dame thing, it's a college football thing. Many people here need to get it through their heads that the ONLY thing that matters is wins and losses because no game is the same and any team can beat any other team at any given time, period.

Did FSU dominate BC? Yes, they did. Then they proceeded to barely beat 6-5 Miami. FSU lost to Wake Forest earlier in the year. BC beat NC State, a 6-5 team that just beat Clemson, a team that earlier in the season was considered one of the top teams in the nation. NC State also beat UNC, who crushed Wake Forest, who only lost to ND by a touchdown. Notre Dame crushed MSU this year... MSU was a team thought to be the favorite for the Big Ten title at one point. MSU got killed by Nebraska, but beat Wisconsin, the consensus best team in the Big Ten to start the season. Wisconsin lost to OSU, who lost to Purdue. Notre Dame demolished Purdue. UM barely beat notre Dame - they needed several miracles to do so - yet crushed Nebraska.

I can go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on... It's exactly the same in every conference also, except for two teams in the SEC - Alabama and LSU, two teams that are head and shoulders above most of the other teams in the nation. Yet even those two powerhouses are capable of being beaten by ANY team in the nation. On any given day.

It's absolutely ridiculous for people to expect Notre Dame to blow out a team every single time they are favored by a large margin. It just doesn't work that way and it will probably never be that way again.

Does that mean you can't criticize the coaches, players, etc.? Absolutely not. But if you're going to criticize, give credit where it is due as well. College football is a gauntlet in this era. The internet allows recruits to gain exposure who never in a million years would've gotten D1 offers 15-20 years ago. There are MANY MANY MANY more diamonds in the rough than anyone ever imagined, and those kids are getting scholarships and becoming great players.

Every single team in the country is capable of winning any game at any time, because every single team in the country has D1 level athletes now.

A "W", in the long run, is the ONLY thing that matters. There is very, very little information to be gleaned from a single game, regardless of the competition or how "favored" ND is, which is ridiculous to go by anyway because Vegas lines are simply not objective.

It is much, much more informative to look at the body of work of a team. Looking at statistical rankings at the end of the season is hands down the best way to judge a team. Obviously watching that team gives us some information also, but only if you literally watch every snap of every game. Even then, the info is limited by circumstance on a game-by-game basis.

USC was trash the first 5-6 weeks of the season, everyone said they were done. All of a sudden they have beaten ND, nearly beaten Stanford and beaten Oregon.

I'm sick and tired of coming here and seeing people constantly bitch about what happens game-to-game. Notre Dame out-gained BC 420-250, had more first downs, ran the ball 39 times, and statistically dominated the game. They won the game by 2 points. Bottom line is they won and if those two teams played 10 times, logically speaking ND would probably win 9 and 6 or 7 of them would be blowouts. This happened to be one of the times they won by two.

But when you look at the body of work for Notre Dame this season, you see they are 33rd in total offense, 28th in total defense. 37th in scoring offense, 22nd in scoring defense. Terrible at punt returns and punting, good at kick returns and kick return defense, terrible in turnovers, average in sacks and amazing at allowing sacks. They are decent at field goals, especially field goal percentage.

There you have it. Notre Dame needs to improve their punting and punt returns, stop turning the ball over and start getting more sacks and tackles for loss. That's it, in a nutshell. People need to stop dissecting every game as if what happens game-to-game is the be all and end all of what Notre Dame is as a team.

Bottom line is, they are 8-3 against a pretty good schedule and are ranked pretty well in a lot of key statistical categories. They need to improve from that to be a NC contender, period. But only beating BC by 2 makes no difference. They won the game, period. ND could come out and beat Stanford next week, then how much does beating BC by two points mean? Jack ****, that's what. Absolutely nothing wrong with debate and criticism of the coaching staff or the team itself, but look at the damn big picture for once.
 

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Solid post from a guy at II. BigHoss28:

I have said this probably about a dozen times on this board... There is a huge number of posters here who simply ignore the state of college football today and continue to feel that Notre Dame should dominate every team they're favored against.

This is not and has not been feasible for a long time. It isn't a Notre Dame thing, it's a college football thing. Many people here need to get it through their heads that the ONLY thing that matters is wins and losses because no game is the same and any team can beat any other team at any given time, period.

Did FSU dominate BC? Yes, they did. Then they proceeded to barely beat 6-5 Miami. FSU lost to Wake Forest earlier in the year. BC beat NC State, a 6-5 team that just beat Clemson, a team that earlier in the season was considered one of the top teams in the nation. NC State also beat UNC, who crushed Wake Forest, who only lost to ND by a touchdown. Notre Dame crushed MSU this year... MSU was a team thought to be the favorite for the Big Ten title at one point. MSU got killed by Nebraska, but beat Wisconsin, the consensus best team in the Big Ten to start the season. Wisconsin lost to OSU, who lost to Purdue. Notre Dame demolished Purdue. UM barely beat notre Dame - they needed several miracles to do so - yet crushed Nebraska.

I can go on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on... It's exactly the same in every conference also, except for two teams in the SEC - Alabama and LSU, two teams that are head and shoulders above most of the other teams in the nation. Yet even those two powerhouses are capable of being beaten by ANY team in the nation. On any given day.

It's absolutely ridiculous for people to expect Notre Dame to blow out a team every single time they are favored by a large margin. It just doesn't work that way and it will probably never be that way again.

Does that mean you can't criticize the coaches, players, etc.? Absolutely not. But if you're going to criticize, give credit where it is due as well. College football is a gauntlet in this era. The internet allows recruits to gain exposure who never in a million years would've gotten D1 offers 15-20 years ago. There are MANY MANY MANY more diamonds in the rough than anyone ever imagined, and those kids are getting scholarships and becoming great players.

Every single team in the country is capable of winning any game at any time, because every single team in the country has D1 level athletes now.

A "W", in the long run, is the ONLY thing that matters. There is very, very little information to be gleaned from a single game, regardless of the competition or how "favored" ND is, which is ridiculous to go by anyway because Vegas lines are simply not objective.

It is much, much more informative to look at the body of work of a team. Looking at statistical rankings at the end of the season is hands down the best way to judge a team. Obviously watching that team gives us some information also, but only if you literally watch every snap of every game. Even then, the info is limited by circumstance on a game-by-game basis.

USC was trash the first 5-6 weeks of the season, everyone said they were done. All of a sudden they have beaten ND, nearly beaten Stanford and beaten Oregon.

I'm sick and tired of coming here and seeing people constantly bitch about what happens game-to-game. Notre Dame out-gained BC 420-250, had more first downs, ran the ball 39 times, and statistically dominated the game. They won the game by 2 points. Bottom line is they won and if those two teams played 10 times, logically speaking ND would probably win 9 and 6 or 7 of them would be blowouts. This happened to be one of the times they won by two.

But when you look at the body of work for Notre Dame this season, you see they are 33rd in total offense, 28th in total defense. 37th in scoring offense, 22nd in scoring defense. Terrible at punt returns and punting, good at kick returns and kick return defense, terrible in turnovers, average in sacks and amazing at allowing sacks. They are decent at field goals, especially field goal percentage.

There you have it. Notre Dame needs to improve their punting and punt returns, stop turning the ball over and start getting more sacks and tackles for loss. That's it, in a nutshell. People need to stop dissecting every game as if what happens game-to-game is the be all and end all of what Notre Dame is as a team.

Bottom line is, they are 8-3 against a pretty good schedule and are ranked pretty well in a lot of key statistical categories. They need to improve from that to be a NC contender, period. But only beating BC by 2 makes no difference. They won the game, period. ND could come out and beat Stanford next week, then how much does beating BC by two points mean? Jack ****, that's what. Absolutely nothing wrong with debate and criticism of the coaching staff or the team itself, but look at the damn big picture for once.

This is an excellent point of view. The landscape of college football has certainly evolved.. Let's hope we get some injured players back and get rid of this flu bug for Stanford..
 

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Stanford 45 ND 17

Respectfully, F.U. :curse:

I'd never predict us to lose. I might be nervous, I might feel the odds are stacked against us, but I'll never give up hope or faith, that somehow, someway we will prevail.

The American football has an odd shape, causing strange bounces that can go either way.

GO IRISH!!

"Water" that tree!!
 

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Any way we can get BigHoss28 over here? We could use more of what he is selling. Exceptional post by him. Got a lot of things into that post that I have been thinking but struggling to reduce to writing.

Thanks for passing it along, TT.
 
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We can be them if someone not named Floyd and Eifert steps up. This is first year in like 3 years where are not gonna start next the year with one of the best reciever's in college football and it kinda scares me. If someone wants to be the star when Floyd leaves this would be a great way to show who wants to be the man.
 
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