Great blog post on Irish bucking "traditionalists"

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Found this at HerLoyalSons.

Notre Dame is behind the times.

I'm sure there will be a good portion that will disagree with me on that statement, citing that Notre Dame's "tradition" should trump things such as new helmets, field turf, or even, *gasp* a jumbotron. Those things aren't "tradition", they are simply how "we've always done it". The two are not equivalent.

Before I came to Her Loyals Sons, I wrote about a costly result of staying in the mindset of "this is how we've always done it", the death of Declan Sullivan. And, no, I'm not equating the tragic death of a fellow Domer to something as trivial as a jumbotron (even though I've read/heard opinions on the matter that suggest such an issue is far from trivial); however, I can think of no better example of this mindset that I've already happened to write 1,000+ words on.

Want to know what the real tradition is at Notre Dame? Innovation and change.


Notre Dame is often mistaken for the inventors of the forward pass thanks to the Dorais regularly hitting future coach, Knute Rockne, with a slew of down-field passes in an upset of Army. While the Irish were on the outside of conferences looking in (thanks Michigan! [no, seriously, thanks]), we created a national schedule, unheard of at the time, allowing for our biggest rival to be from Southern California instead of across the Indiana/Michigan border. The famed student manager program came into existence thanks to Rockne, who even allowed them to sneak on to trains so they could assist the Irish football team on road games. Rockne also made sure to promote ND as a profitable entity and even became a pitchman for Studebaker.

To this day, there is still not other school that has been crazy enough to put real gold into their helmet paint. While the green jerseys had been around before, it wasn't until Devine's Irish warmed up in blue and came out in green (in a Trojan horse no less, a move I'm sure that would be called a "gimmick" today) after an 11 year absence that the jerseys became the most famous alternate jersey in all of college football. Before the Big Ten and Longhorn Networks were even a thought, the Irish had their contract with NBC.

But changing the uniforms, piping in music, thinking about installing field turf and a jumbotron? BLASPHEMY!

For some reason, ND slammed the brakes on innovation or change around the Lou Holtz era. And what were other programs doing during that time? Changing, adapting, playing catch-up to programs like ND and eventually passing them. Training tables, new facilities, new stadiums, suites, and yes, even jumbotrons and field turf. The result was that other programs started to become more appealing than they had before.

To anyone else outside the Notre Dame bubble, the entire Notre Dame tradition seems to have stopped with the last championship in 1988 and no one has bothered to completely move on since. Now consider the mindset of 17-18 year old kids who weren't even alive when Notre Dame was at the pinnacle of the college football world. Unless they have some sort of previous affiliation with Notre Dame, lived in the Midwest, or happened to stumble across Rudy, they have absolutely no concept of what the place is like even in comparison to current young alumni when they were the same age. The Notre Dame that everyone else grew up with might as well just be a myth to them.

This is the uphill battle the Irish have been fighting for years when competing for the best talent in the nation. With a lack of major improvements to the stadium, football facilities, and some awful coaching and recruiting, Notre Dame suffered greatly in the post-Holtz era. The talent dwindled and the losses piled up, further pushing recruits away to other football programs.

That trend didn't stop until Charlie Weis, who proved that you can indeed recruit to South Bend. You know what else changed though? The Gug was finally opened for Weis' first year, which was the first major change to any football facility since the stadium renovations in 1997, nearly a full decade.

With new world class facilities, a cocky attitude, BCS run, love and understanding of ND, and a shiny Super Bowl ring, Weis had the power to lure kids back into the program and rebuild Notre Dame. Ultimately, Weis feel short, but stopped the bleeding of the Notre Dame football program from a talent level perspective. Even Weis messed around with tradition, having the players sing the alma mater in front of the student section and standing behind the service academies during theirs.

Now in comes Kelly (and Swarbrick) for a new era, with a spread offense, a newly instituted and long overdue training table, new helmets, piped in music, the Shamrock Series, and talk of field turf and jumbotrons. Somehow, these proposed changes are morphed into either ND selling out and debasing themselves for either revenue, pandering to kids/recruits in ways that we shouldn't, or somehow a combination of both. Even when prompted by suggestions that said changes could result in wins, that thought is dismissed as well as we should be wining without such changes that are apparently beneath us.

The Holy Land of the NFL, Lambeau Field, has field turf, specifically a blend of grass with synthetic support that ND has been rumored to be looking at. Kyle Field, home the Texas A&M Aggies, a school with ad much tradition, rituals, and a rabid fan base as the Irish, has a jumbotron that has failed to detract from their gameday atmosphere.

Yet installing field turf on our own frozen tundra is wrong? Instant replay reviews are now law in college football, yet fans inside the stadium shouldn't be allowed to view them as well? Would it be so bad to see clips from ICON during TV timeouts instead of an endless parade of strangers on the 20 yard line? And if all of it happens to be just enough to add on to Notre Dame's already fantastic traditions to get a 5-star to send in a fax in Feburary, is that so wrong?

The fact is that Notre Dame has a gap to fill that spans over a decade long. Notre Dame created it by using our storied tradition as a crutch to keep us in the top tier of the college football world, even during times when the wins didn't add up. This inactivity was a message to the rest of the college football world that Notre Dame was content to have our future legacy be our past.

Notre Dame coaches have traditionally rocked the boat a bit and ignored parts of the past to leave their own imprint and legacy for the future. Rockne was ready to resign if his house wasn't built. Leahy ruffled feathers by throwing out Rock's playbook and installing his own system. Ara was the first non-ND graduate to take the helm. Devine resurrected the green jerseys after Ara sealed them up for 11 years, made them his own, put names on the back of them, and even had an endzone logo of the fighting Irish during his tenure. Holtz then proceed to rip those names off the jerseys and went completely old school, seemingly leaving his personal imprint as the one many "traditionalists" long for.

Kelly, like any of ND's great coaches of the past, wants to live a similar personal imprint. His suggestions and changes made thus far should not be viewed as earth shattering. Field turf, especially the kind installed at Green Bay, would be a monumental improvement to Notre Dame Stadium. While I'm not the biggest fan of the Shamrock Series helmet, as Kelly said, the only opinion that matters are the 105 players in the locker room and they loved it. He's right. The whole green jersey tradition was to get the players motivated, a pop from the fans is just an additional benefit. Even the biggest divisive issue, a jumbotron shouldn't be a crazy "tradition breaker", especially seeing as how the basketball and hockey teams have nice shiny new screens.

I'm sure most of this will be dismissed by certain parts of the fan base, citing my age as the determining factor for why I "just don't get it". They will point to the one-time overplaying of Crazy Train as proof Notre Dame can't get new technology right (even though it aired one more time during Navy as a punchline to their own joke they inadvertently created). Some will say that Kelly and the current administration, Swarbrick included, have proved they don't "get" Notre Dame and are too concerned about the ever changing whims of the kids which the University is supposed to serve.

The tradition of Notre Dame is much more than some grass, a helmet, a uniform, the type of music played in a stadium, and the absence of a jumbotron. Arguments can be made about the speed, timing, and the execution of such changes (MQ did just that yesterday); however, attempting to use "tradition" as the central basis for an argument against change isn't genuine and dismisses the history of the Irish.
 

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Her Loyal Sons has a ton of fantastic content. A month or so ago they had a great one on why the ACC makes a ton of sense for Notre Dame to join.
 

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This is pretty much the sentiment of ND fans who want to win versus the ones who want to "win like yester-year".
 
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Great read....think there are a lot of ND nation that could benefit from reading this. Its like he was plucking stuff right out of my brain!
 

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yeah. this guy really got down and dirty, huh?

Yes, if by down and dirty you mean making it a logical inference that ND's longest standing tradition is innovation. We have always been at the fore-front of CFB, we have gotten left behind in years past. IMO, Kelly and Swarbick do "get it" and are trying to rebrand what ND is to a new generation. The 11 NCs and 7 StiffArms are not going anywhere, but this is not your grandmother's ND anymore.
 

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Yes, if by down and dirty you mean making it a logical inference that ND's longest standing tradition is innovation. We have always been at the fore-front of CFB, we have gotten left behind in years past. IMO, Kelly and Swarbick do "get it" and are trying to rebrand what ND is to a new generation. The 11 NCs and 7 StiffArms are not going anywhere, but this is not your grandmother's ND anymore.

He was pointing out that you used the word "sediment" rather than "sentiment"
 

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Yes, if by down and dirty you mean making it a logical inference that ND's longest standing tradition is innovation. We have always been at the fore-front of CFB, we have gotten left behind in years past. IMO, Kelly and Swarbick do "get it" and are trying to rebrand what ND is to a new generation. The 11 NCs and 7 StiffArms are not going anywhere, but this is not your grandmother's ND anymore.

i completely agree with the blog post.
 

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This is pretty much the sentiment of ND fans who want to win versus the ones who want to "win like yester-year".

Which "win like yesteryear" would that be?

Rockne's way
Leahy's way?
Parseghian's way?
Devine's way?
Holtz's way?

I only witnessed the last three, but the way they won was by dominating both lines of scrimmage, and having quality skill position players executing quality game plans.

That's still the way to win.
 

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a big AHEM...

...to the goof balls that think Rockne would be rolling in his grave. Err, uh, negative. LIKE I SAID. Rockne would be leading the charge on this stuff. I'm embarrassed by some of my fellow fans sometimes.

This article is terrific, and I'm so glad this whole topic is being brought up, and the fogies are being called out.
 
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I know this wasn't really the point of NDTex's great post (with which I agree 100%), but I also thought he did a great job summarizing the Weis era:

With a lack of major improvements to the stadium, football facilities, and some awful coaching and recruiting, Notre Dame suffered greatly in the post-Holtz era. The talent dwindled and the losses piled up, further pushing recruits away to other football programs.

That trend didn't stop until Charlie Weis, who proved that you can indeed recruit to South Bend. You know what else changed though? The Gug was finally opened for Weis' first year, which was the first major change to any football facility since the stadium renovations in 1997, nearly a full decade.

With new world class facilities, a cocky attitude, BCS run, love and understanding of ND, and a shiny Super Bowl ring, Weis had the power to lure kids back into the program and rebuild Notre Dame. Ultimately, Weis feel [sic] short, but stopped the bleeding of the Notre Dame football program from a talent level perspective.

That is as good of a perspective on Weis's tenure as I have seen, and I endorse it completely.
 

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you would be shot for posting this on NDNation. Also, if anything like a jumbotron was around in Rocknes day, knowing the salesman amd oppurtunist he was, we wouldve been the first in the country, or, if he had a turf that would cut down injuries amd provide better footing, i feel like knute wouldve made the logical choice. sometimes i laugh at old men who think staying the same is what we need, OBVIOUSLY thats not been working
 

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Kyle Field, home the Texas A&M Aggies, a school with ad much tradition, rituals, and a rabid fan base as the Irish, has a jumbotron that has failed to detract from their gameday atmosphere.

As much as I generally agreed with NDTex's post, I do strongly disagree with the bolded part. A&M? Really?
 

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Which "win like yesteryear" would that be?

Rockne's way
Leahy's way?
Parseghian's way?
Devine's way?
Holtz's way?

I only witnessed the last three, but the way they won was by dominating both lines of scrimmage, and having quality skill position players executing quality game plans.

That's still the way to win.

Never said it wasn't. It was a joke (or a play on words, if you will) about all crap that gets spewed about how changing anything at ND is taboo. I.E. lack of training table, lack of facilities, lack of appeal to today's top athletes, and overall a clinging to the past as gospel as the future passes us by. I know how football games are won.
 

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I know this wasn't really the point of NDTex's great post (with which I agree 100%), but I also thought he did a great job summarizing the Weis era:



That is as good of a perspective on Weis's tenure as I have seen, and I endorse it completely.

Good point. For all of Chuck's failures as the actual head coach of big college program, he reenergized ND football and kind of knew, in theory, what it would take to get ND back in the discussion again.

Of course something that recognizes even a hint of goodness for ND by Weis couldn't be tolerated on NDNation either.

Don't tell them I posted this! Haha
 

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How about the Texas "GodzillaTron" ??

How Godzillatron has turned into Adzillatron is the primary objection I've heard from the anti-jumbotron faction. It's not a Luddite anti-technology mindset but opposition to Kevin White's trend to crass commercialism.

From Wiki:
CriticismA downside for fans is that the screen can be used to allow more obtrusive advertising to be displayed during games.[8] It has been controversial among fans because at some times a large portion (more than 50%) of the screen is being used for advertising and other non-game related graphics.[9][10] This has led to some fans (including Austin American-Statesman commentator Kirk Bohls) calling the new screen "Adzillatron".[11][12] Complaints have also been made about the scoreboard being too loud and about it broadcasting advertisements to those in the stadium, even over the top of the band playing in the stadium.[10][11] In its first usage, the portion of the new screen that was typically used for showing replays and film highlights was approximately the same size as the old video screen.[9][13] More recent games have featured a 16:9 format image centered in a ring of advertisement and score/clock related information. Nevertheless, complaints continue about the advertising, with some fans shouting out "We won't shop/eat/bank there" when advertisements are played loudly in the stadium.[14]
 

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Never said it wasn't. It was a joke (or a play on words, if you will) about all crap that gets spewed about how changing anything at ND is taboo. I.E. lack of training table, lack of facilities, lack of appeal to today's top athletes, and overall a clinging to the past as gospel as the future passes us by. I know how football games are won.

If winning was- and always is- the same, "the future" won't pass us by if we win the way we've always won. All that will pass us by will be the excuses, and the needs of the Paris Hilton crowd amongst us.
 

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This blog has got this semi-old,traditionalist thinking. I do believe that football should be played on grass. I am also a Packer fan and I do like what they have done with their field. I still do not understand why stadiums don't at least turf their sidelines rather than putting down slick and dangerous tarps where the players stand.

If ND is going to install jumbotrons I hope they keep the size of them down. I do not go to the game to watch TV. It would be nice to see big plays and close calls again. Try walking into a room full of people and turning on a TV. In a few minutes most peoples gazes gravitate to it. If you watch a Dallas game you will see what I mean. Even the players watch the game on the Jumbotron and they have a view of the game most of us would die for.

I am a lot more open to some of these changes than I was yesterday. As long as they are planned well and done in good taste.
 

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How Godzillatron has turned into Adzillatron is the primary objection I've heard from the anti-jumbotron faction. It's not a Luddite anti-technology mindset but opposition to Kevin White's trend to crass commercialism.

From Wiki:

This too is the only argument I have heard from fans and people in general opposed to the idea. My thoughts on this would be if ND could not afford the jumbotron and looked to outside sources for funding then I would agree with them. But I think ND would buy it themselves, maybe do a little fundraising and shaking down boosters, but i do not think they would sell themselves to corporations just to make money off of it. ND already makes enough. The only thing I would want them to do is keep the jumbotron away from TD Jesus' endzone.
 

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If winning was- and always is- the same, "the future" won't pass us by if we win the way we've always won. All that will pass us by will be the excuses, and the needs of the Paris Hilton crowd amongst us.

We haven't always won the same way, though. Holtz didn't win with leather helmets. Times change. In order to compete you must evolve. That isn't the same as "keeping up with the Joneses," as long as the changes are in line with your traditional values. If you're working with the same colors, logos, etc., changes to equipment aren't departures from tradition. Notre Dame's gear isn't like the Yankees. Our uniforms have gone through numerous iterations.

As far as field turf and the jumbotron, those aren't even legit arguments in my mind. Refusing to utilize technological advancements is not a tradition. Unless you are still watching the games on a 17" black-and-white TV with a bunny-ears antenna on top, you have no standing to demand Notre Dame forego improvements to its stadium out of an obligation to you. And if you are still watching the games on a 17" black-and-white TV? You're too out of touch for your opinion to count, anyways.
 

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I havent read too many posts that share the same thoughts on all this that I do....I am defintely a traditionlist, but I do believe there is ALWAYS room for new ideas.

Jumbotron, piping in music to the stadium, I dont have an issue with as long as it is done with purpose; I think it can be a great tool for creating a home field environment.

Changing the uniforms, and changing out the grass, I have to admit, I have a HARD time with those 2....and it doesnt help that the new helmet with the BIG shamrocks looks to be like an attempt to "change just to keep up with everyone else".


recent example: at first I didnt like the new gold on the helmets. Then it was pointed out to me that the new gold was to be more of a closer representation of the Golden Dome, and then I loved the new helmets. There is an example of making a change with purpose. I dont think the Shamrock helmets (both of them) have that same meaning behind them.
 
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I havent read too many posts that share the same thoughts on all this that I do....I am defintely a traditionlist, but I do believe there is ALWAYS room for new ideas.

Jumbotron, piping in music to the stadium, I dont have an issue with as long as it is done with purpose; I think it can be a great tool for creating a home field environment.

Changing the uniforms, and changing out the grass, I have to admit, I have a HARD time with those 2....and it doesnt help that the new helmet with the BIG shamrocks looks to be like an attempt to "change just to keep up with everyone else".


recent example: at first I didnt like the new gold on the helmets. Then it was pointed out to me that the new gold was to be more of a closer representation of the Golden Dome, and then I loved the new helmets. There is an example of making a change with purpose. I dont think the Shamrock helmets (both of them) have that same meaning behind them.

I clearly see your argument and agree with it. Doing something just because everyone else is doing it serves no purpose. I do think that the jersey updates and jumbotron serve a purpose. The old cliche, would you jump off a bridge if anyone else is doing it? I do think it is good to mix things up every once in awhile although such as the Michigan game jerseys and helmets. The Shamrock Series helmets however will never grow on me. They look like gold disco balls.
 

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This is spot on. Send this to every alum, every old person whining about some music being played in the Stadium, to every person who thinks ND stadium is untouchable. Lambeau, Bryant-Denny, Michigan, Gaylord-Perry, Texas...all these stadiums have Jumbotrons. It's time we either get with the times, or be happy with our 1988 national title and sit by as the rest of college football eclipses us. These innovations bring in publicity, which bring in recruits, which bring in wins which bring in National Championships.
 
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