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kuehnja said:
Clausen had a 4-1 TD:INT ratio that year. You tend to avoid criticism when you do that. Rees's is 1.2:1.
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Well thank you for helping make my point. As Riddickulous noted, " it was 7-1 TD:INT ratio, actually." And as you added in response to that, "Right you are. Clausen was my favorite QB. I dream about him in Kelly's offense."

We weren't discussing stats when you brought them up the TD:INT, we were discussing a QB's propensity for looking to a talented receiver. I simply noted that Rees looked to Floyd like Crist before him looked to Floyd and Rudolph and Clausen had looked to Tate.

As for the TD:INT Ratio let's take walk down that path. As Clausen was your favorite QB I'm sure you're aware that you were trying to quote his last (3rd) year stats. That's when Jimmy had that incredible 28:4 or 7:1 ratio. As he's your favorite, no doubt you're aware that Jimmy had a less phenomenal 1.47 TD:INT ratio as a second year man. And Jimmy was a very freshman-like 1.17 as a freshman.

As a freshman Rees who was a backup and only started 4 games had a TD:INT Ratio of 1.5 (better than Jimmy's 1.17) and now as a soph Tommy's 1.2 (less than Jimmy's 1.47) but only through 3 games. For his career to date (early 2nd year when he again started out as a backup) Rees TD:INT Ratio is 1.38 while Clausen's career ratio is 2.22.

It's funny but if you look at Quinn or most any other ND passing QB, Rees TD:INT Ratio is with the others actually higher than most. Powlus was the only one that threw as an upperclassmen when he was a freshman. Montana was a career 1:1 guy. Hanratty who was honored with the '66 NC Team at the MSU game was 0.79:1 and Theismann was 0.88:1 for their careers.

If you'd like to compare QB Eff. Ratings, Yds/attempt, or some other QB metric feel free to do so. Tommy's numbers look very competitive there as well at the same point in their development.

BTW, the 7:1 ratio Clausen achieved as a 3rd year man was also done when he was 22 years old. Quinn hit the 4:1 mark when he was 21. Tommy Rees turned 19 on May 22nd. His freshman numbers were posted as an 18 year. Clausen didn't throw a pass in a Division 1 game until he was already 20 years old.

As I noted in the game thread at this point in his development Rees is doing as well as most of the top rated QBs in ND history. No guarantees that his curve will grow like the others but then his is already steeper than most of the others AND at a younger age.
 
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Well thank you for helping make my point. As Riddickulous noted, " it was 7-1 TD:INT ratio, actually." And as you added in response to that, "Right you are. Clausen was my favorite QB. I dream about him in Kelly's offense."

We weren't discussing stats when you brought them up the TD:INT, we were discussing a QB's propensity for looking to a talented receiver. I simply noted that Rees looked to Floyd like Crist before him looked to Floyd and Rudolph and Clausen had looked to Tate.

As for the TD:INT Ratio let's take walk down that path. As Clausen was your favorite QB I'm sure you're aware that you were trying to quote his last (3rd) year stats. That's when Jimmy had that incredible 28:4 or 7:1 ratio. As he's your favorite, no doubt you're aware that Jimmy had a less phenomenal 1.47 TD:INT ratio as a second year man. And Jimmy was a very freshman-like 1.17 as a freshman.

As a freshman Rees who was a backup and only started 4 games had a TD:INT Ratio of 1.5 (better than Jimmy's 1.17) and now as a soph Tommy's 1.2 (less than Jimmy's 1.47) but only through 3 games. For his career to date (early 2nd year when he again started out as a backup) Rees TD:INT Ratio is 1.38 while Clausen's career ratio is 2.22.

It's funny but if you look at Quinn or most any other ND passing QB, Rees TD:INT Ratio is with the others actually higher than most. Powlus was the only one that threw as an upperclassmen when he was a freshman. Montana was a career 1:1 guy. Hanratty who was honored with the '66 NC Team at the MSU game was 0.79:1 and Theismann was 0.88:1 for their careers.

If you'd like to compare QB Eff. Ratings, Yds/attempt, or some other QB metric feel free to do so. Tommy's numbers look very competitive there as well at the same point in their development.

BTW, the 7:1 ratio Clausen achieved as a 3rd year man was also done when he was 22 years old. Quinn hit the 4:1 mark when he was 21. Tommy Rees turned 19 on May 22nd. His freshman numbers were posted as an 18 year. Clausen didn't throw a pass in a Division 1 game until he was already 20 years old.

As I noted in the game thread at this point in his development Rees is doing as well as most of the top rated QBs in ND history. No guarantees that his curve will grow like the others but then his is already steeper than most of the others AND at a younger age.
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I pointed out that he may have locked onto Tate, but when you have a 7-1 TD:INT ratio you won't get criticzed for that. You brought up the Bilentikoff award, which I'm sure you are aware of was in both Clausen and Tate's junior year. That's why I compared junior-Clausen to sophomore-Rees. Also, Clausen's team was bad with an average coach at best. You're right about Clausen not breaking out during his first two years, but you can't compare Clausen's team to the one Rees has right now. It's apples to coconuts. Even in Clausen's junior year when he had the 7:1 ratio his team was not as good as ours is right now.
 
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Stats don't tell the whole story. Clausen was always a better passer than Rees even in his subpar freshman year. Rees just throws these terrible passes. He'll have a guy open and he'll underthrow him and make him come back to the ball. He'll throw some great balls like his TD to TJ, but he always makes a bad one that he's lucky to not have kill a drive. He benefits from having a good offensive line, a top 3 receiver in the country, and a surprisingly stout running game.
 
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Title2012 said:
Stats don't tell the whole story. Clausen was always a better passer than Rees even in his subpar freshman year. Rees just throws these terrible passes. He'll have a guy open and he'll underthrow him and make him come back to the ball. He'll throw some great balls like his TD to TJ, but he always makes a bad one that he's lucky to not have kill a drive. He benefits from having a good offensive line, a top 3 receiver in the country, and a surprisingly stout running game.
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And Clausen didn't benefit from having Golden Tate and young Michael Floyd and young Kyle Rudolph. Now I agree that our Oline is better now than then but Clausen had just as good skill players. I would add that I am not argueing that Rees is as good as Clausen.
 
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Title2012 said:
Stats don't tell the whole story. Clausen was always a better passer than Rees even in his subpar freshman year. Rees just throws these terrible passes. He'll have a guy open and he'll underthrow him and make him come back to the ball. He'll throw some great balls like his TD to TJ, but he always makes a bad one that he's lucky to not have kill a drive. He benefits from having a good offensive line, a top 3 receiver in the country, and a surprisingly stout running game.
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He obviously throws a lot of bad passes, as is evidenced by his 70% completion percentage.
 
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Ive never been ore happy to be wrong. However I have yet to watch the game except for the final part of it. I was out at a mall with some friends hanging out and my fiance called me and after we talked for a minute she said "so I guess youre at home watching your Notre Dame kick ***" I said i wasnt and she said she had found the game on tv and thought of me which I thought was cool because she isnt a big football fan at all.

She had to run a few minutes later so I went into a garfields at the mall and saw MSU driving down the field and I thought my bad luck of me watching had returned (I was gone last week and didnt watch until the 4th so yeah) but then I see the interception and saw us finish it out. I cant give a good judegemnt but ill just say I was never happier to be wrong with a prediction, have I moved away from the ledge yes, but with all due respect Ill be sleeping in a tent near the ledge until we can still pick it up this year I still have awful memories of last year where we won 3 straigh and I felt on top of the world then we lost to navy and tulsa and it was sickening for us. But my debbie downer status will be on hiatus for a little while. :)
 
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Awesome game. Perfect day for a football game. Sat up in the north end zone by the student section which was incredible to watch. Had some great fans in our area. Started to get worried with the two turnovers in the first quarter and was nervous up til Blanton got that pick. Lynch was incredible and Tuitt was great and Niklas did very well filling in for Shembo (my prayers).

Got to see 2013 OT Darius Latham before the team made their walk. Looked like he was with his parents. Good size kid.

At halftime walked by David Perkins and shoke his hand and congratulated him on his decision. Also got to see Darby. They looked like they were enjoying themselves hanging out laughing.

This was definitely a better experience than the Syracuse game!

Every second I was there was nothing but joy. Nelson's chicken was incredible as well!!
 
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Rees is a mixed bag. He doesn't have much arm strength, but he can still zip it in if he has to. He often over-throws or under-throws receivers or throws it to a bad spot (read: the terrible INT yesterday that should've been lofted down the middle to Eifert instead of zipped into double coverage), but he throws some absolutely beautiful touch passes (read: the TD to Jones).

He needs to start making better decisions, not just when to throw but where to throw.
 
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BurningRiver said:
Rees is a mixed bag. He doesn't have much arm strength, but he can still zip it in if he has to. He often over-throws or under-throws receivers or throws it to a bad spot (read: the terrible INT yesterday that should've been lofted down the middle to Eifert instead of zipped into double coverage), but he throws some absolutely beautiful touch passes (read: the TD to Jones).

He needs to start making better decisions, not just when to throw but where to throw.
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The one downside I saw yesterday with Rees is the zone read run. He NEVER runs the ball. So the defense won't key on him, they just crashed down on Cierre or Jonas. I don't see Tommy the starter in two years. I see either Andrew or Golson overtaking the position because they spread the offense that much more with their legs.

....love Tommy though..
 
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Not to be smart *** but Jimmy isn't here so who cares.
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Should we say this every time a Notre Dame alum is brought up or compared? If you want to know why he was mentioned, go back a page and look at BGIF's post. That's where it started.
 
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Went up to the game wth JadeBrecks. He had a ticket and my younger son and I didn't. We picked up tickets on the 30 yard line 6 rows up from the gold seats for slightly under face value. The weather was great. The game was great. I got 5s from Floyd, Teo, Smith, Johnson, Eifert and Lynch.

This is the game I wanted a W more than any other at the start of the season.
 
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eNDzone said:
Went up to the game wth JadeBrecks. He had a ticket and my younger son and I didn't. We picked up tickets on the 30 yard line 6 rows up from the gold seats for slightly under face value. The weather was great. The game was great. I got 5s from Floyd, Teo, Smith, Johnson, Eifert and Lynch.

This is the game I wanted a W more than any other at the start of the season.
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Nice! What a great game to see!
 
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Cousins asked Dantonio to check under his bed for Aaron Lynch last night.

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Cousins after the game.
 
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beryirish said:
The one downside I saw yesterday with Rees is the zone read run. He NEVER runs the ball.
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After watching run to his right will be chased ... that's a good thing.


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So the defense won't key on him, they just crashed down on Cierre or Jonas.
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Doesn't that have play action consequences?


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I don't see Tommy the starter in two years. I see either Andrew or Golson overtaking the position because they spread the offense that much more with their legs.
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No doubt Kelly's offense is more potent with that added dimension. The job is there for the taking when someone shows Kelly he's mastered the complexities of his offense. Supposedly Rees arrived on campus with a good understanding and Kelly still had to dumb it down as I recall from reading posts here. The question is when are the guys going to learn it ...


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....love Tommy though..
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He does seem to do more with less, doesn't he?
 
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