Sep 17 | Michigan State

Irish Houstonian · Sep 12, 2011

I went to the Capital One Bowl last year, and Alabama made MSU look like Mount Holyoke. It wasn't even as close as the 49-7 score implies. Just throwing that out there.

NDOM · Sep 12, 2011

Irish Houstonian said:
I went to the Capital One Bowl last year, and Alabama made MSU look like Mount Holyoke. It wasn't even as close as the 49-7 score implies. Just throwing that out there.

We aren't even in the same league as an Alabama. Not even close. So that really means nothing at all to me.

Spartan96 · Sep 12, 2011

Whiskeyjack said:
Welcome!

Kelly moves Floyd all over the field. Adams won't be matched up against Floyd most of the time. I also see lots of unblooded sophomores in your secondary and LB corps-- Lewis, Dennard, Allen and Bullough. Our WRs are probably going to have a very big day against your Spartans... not that success in the passing game made much difference for us in the last couple weeks.

Your DL definitely looks to be the strength of your defense, but how did Youngstown State average 4.25 YPC against them? I think that shows how big the loss of Gordon and Jones is for your front seven. Our OL and RBs have put up big yards against two tough DLs already; I doubt we'll have trouble moving the ball on the ground against you.

Cousins scares me. He's one of the best pure passers we'll face this season. If our secondary plays anything like it did against UM, we're in big trouble. That said, if your running game isn't firing on all cylinders, State is gonna struggle. How did you only manage 3.7 YPC against FIU? Our DL has dominated the point of attack against two good running teams already.

Good analysis man....you are spot on about the young(er) defense and loss of Jones and Gordon....Bullough is looking to be a beast though so I have hope. Our CB's are very talented but young like you said....Trenton Robinson is on some pre-season AA watch lists at safety.

Regarding the Youngstown State game....YSU only averaged 3.6 per catch and about the same for rushing...3.6 per catch isn't exactly blowing up the world. That's 1 step and quick pass or jail break screen. I think they had only 1 play where the QB took more than a 2 step drop. They had no choice as the DL would collapse on him if he took a standard 3-4 step.

Not sure where you're getting the rushing stats from but we averaged well over 4 yards / carry on youngstown and like 8 yards / carry on FAU.

Spartan96 · Sep 12, 2011

Irish Houstonian said:
I went to the Capital One Bowl last year, and Alabama made MSU look like Mount Holyoke. It wasn't even as close as the 49-7 score implies. Just throwing that out there.

And Alabama was ranked #1 for almost the whole season until the Auburn game. They would have absolutely torched any team they played that day.

Whiskeyjack · Sep 12, 2011

Wolverine1997 said:
cousins will be looking to right himself after that INT in 2009 that ultimately lost them the game. ND secondary has to step it up big time. M.Floyd will be the key to victory for ND, IMO.

All four starters in our secondary are in their final year of eligibility; it's easily the most experienced unit on our team. And these same guys were really good last year! They ranked 5th against the pass nationally.

But they've been terrible thus far. I don't know how to explain it.

IrishLax · Sep 12, 2011

Whiskeyjack said:
All four starters in our secondary are in their final year of eligibility; it's easily the most experienced unit on our team. And these same guys were really good last year! They ranked 5th against the pass nationally.

But they've been terrible thus far. I don't know how to explain it.

No. Darrin. Walls.

Wolverine1997 · Sep 12, 2011

Whiskeyjack said:
All four starters in our secondary are in their final year of eligibility

That can be a really good thing for this season, but very bad for next season.

koonja · Sep 12, 2011

Wolverine1997 said:
That can be a really good thing for this season, but very bad for next season.

Well it's been working so far this year, lol.

BGIF · Sep 12, 2011

NDOM said:
We have been favored in all 3 games so far. What the heck are you talking about?

Beau was thinking that 10 turnovers and back to back losses would make ND the underdog to an undefeated, Top 25 team.

My only explanation is Vegas has seen Rees, Wood, and Collinsworth walking around campus with footballs duct taped to their hands.

ND_HAS_RISEN · Sep 12, 2011

BGIF said:
Beau was thinking that 10 turnovers and back to back losses would make ND the underdog to an undefeated, Top 25 team.

My only explanation is Vegas has seen Rees, Wood, and Collinsworth walking around campus with footballs duct taped to their hands.

Hilarious.

Something has got to be going on though cause Vegas doesn't like to consistantly lose money, and they've taken some hits the past two weeks. The Michigan game was alot of the bookies BIG BET of the Week game.

Who'saWildManNow · Sep 12, 2011

Gary Gray is shaving points.

:joke:

Whiskeyjack · Sep 12, 2011

IrishLax said:
No. Darrin. Walls.

Of our four starters, RJ Blanton played the best against UM, so I'm not sure we're really missing Walls.

BurningRiver · Sep 12, 2011

GoldenIsThyFame said:
"Notre Dame has been listed as a 6-point favorite over Michigan State at the Hilton.”

WHY IS THIS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

GO IRISH!!! · Sep 12, 2011

I don't understand this line either. That is exactly why I don't like to bet sports unless it is betting vBucks.

Spartan96 · Sep 12, 2011

GO IRISH!!! said:
I don't understand this line either. That is exactly why I don't like to bet sports unless it is betting vBucks.

Eh...we've played 2 cupcakes....1 good game and 1 yawner....you guys have absolutely blown your feet off (it's beyond shot) with 2 decent teams. I'm sure odds makers are just saying no WAY ND has that many T.O.'s again.

That being said....MSU is equal to or better at every phase/group than Michigan with the exception of QB mobility....but that doesn't matter much if you have a mobile QB that throws 40%.

If you had problems basically stopping a 1 man show, it may be a long night with Cousins, Baker, Bell, Cunningham, Sims, Keyshawn Martin, etc, etc.....

I think MSU by 7. Go Green!

Whiskeyjack · Sep 12, 2011

Spartan96 said:
If you had problems basically stopping a 1 man show, it may be a long night with Cousins, Baker, Bell, Cunningham, Sims, Keyshawn Martin, etc, etc....

The inexplicable 4th quarter failure of our DBs aside, we dominated both USF and UM defensively. I don't think you're going to have much success running against our DL with 3 new OL.

BeauBenken · Sep 12, 2011

NDOM said:
We have been favored in all 3 games so far. What the heck are you talking about?

I think you took what I said as the opposite of what I meant. I meant, is it not possible for us to be underdogs? Precisely because we have been the fav in all 3 games so far.

Note: Just looked back and it looks like BGIF explained it for me.

phork · Sep 12, 2011

We are 5 point favorites. Amazering.

Who'saWildManNow · Sep 12, 2011

phork said:
We are 5 point favorites. Amazering.

What a mind fukc

kmoose · Sep 12, 2011

phork said:
We are 5 point favorites. Amazering.

Have you seen the economy in Michigan? Vegas has to get creative, to get people to bet on the Spartans.

Riddickulous · Sep 13, 2011

Whiskeyjack said:
All four starters in our secondary are in their final year of eligibility; it's easily the most experienced unit on our team. And these same guys were really good last year! They ranked 5th against the pass nationally.

But they've been terrible thus far. I don't know how to explain it.

The source you keep referring to (in regards to last year's defensive rankings) is inaccurate. Our defense barely scraped the Top 50 nationally. There's no way in hell we were Top 5 in pass defense.

IrishLax said:
No. Darrin. Walls.

This does factor in.

Spartan96 said:
Eh...we've played 2 cupcakes....1 good game and 1 yawner....you guys have absolutely blown your feet off (it's beyond shot) with 2 decent teams. I'm sure odds makers are just saying no WAY ND has that many T.O.'s again.

That being said....MSU is equal to or better at every phase/group than Michigan with the exception of QB mobility....but that doesn't matter much if you have a mobile QB that throws 40%.

If you had problems basically stopping a 1 man show, it may be a long night with Cousins, Baker, Bell, Cunningham, Sims, Keyshawn Martin, etc, etc.....

I think MSU by 7. Go Green!

We play during the day...

kmoose said:
Have you seen the economy in Michigan? Vegas has to get creative, to get people to bet on the Spartans.

Oh, that Michigan! (I live there...****)

Te'o4Heisman · Sep 13, 2011

PADOMERNUT said:
Unless I am looking at it wrong, we are 3.5 pt favorites for Saturday

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Spartan96 · Sep 13, 2011

Hey Guys...sorry for off topic post....looking to secure row 6 / section 3 for the game....anyone have an idea on how decent these would be? I heard the depth perception that low in ND Stadium may be any issue? Any feedback would be much appreciated.

Irish4Life09 · Sep 13, 2011

37-13 IRISH
BANK ALL YOUR VBUCKS ON IT!!!

IrishLax · Sep 13, 2011

Spartan96 said:
Hey Guys...sorry for off topic post....looking to secure row 6 / section 3 for the game....anyone have an idea on how decent these would be? I heard the depth perception that low in ND Stadium may be any issue? Any feedback would be much appreciated.

Those are actually pretty damn good seats right on the goal line (I think... going off memory here). I prefer ~row 10 because of what you mentioned... hard to see the play sometimes being that close.

DomerInHappyValley · Sep 13, 2011

A pissed of Irish with Kelly burying his foot in the throat of sparty will make me a happy camper.

Whiskeyjack · Sep 13, 2011

Riddickulous said:
The source you keep referring to (in regards to last year's defensive rankings) is inaccurate. Our defense barely scraped the Top 50 nationally. There's no way in hell we were Top 5 in pass defense.

Have you ever clicked on the link and read the methodology behind the stats? They're far more accurate than the vanilla NCAA stats you insist on citing. We were damned good against the pass last year.

Spartan96 · Sep 13, 2011

IrishLax said:
Those are actually pretty damn good seats right on the goal line (I think... going off memory here). I prefer ~row 10 because of what you mentioned... hard to see the play sometimes being that close.

Thanks just locked them in.....wanted to get relatively close just for the experience...but also wanted to avoid the sun in our faces the whole game (that's more so I don't here it from the wife!).

BeauBenken · Sep 13, 2011

Spartan96 said:
Thanks just locked them in.....wanted to get relatively close just for the experience...but also wanted to avoid the sun in our faces the whole game (that's more so I don't here it from the wife!).

Have fun. It's the best stadium to watch a game at. End of story.

Spartan96 · Sep 13, 2011

BeauBenken said:
Have fun. It's the best stadium to watch a game at. End of story.

Thanks appreciate it...we are really looking forward to it being a huge college football fan.

Any advice on best (easiest in/out) parking lot(s) to look for on Saturday?

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