In this Time of Trife...

[irishfan]

2. What makes it so ridiculous is that it should NEVER have happened. Mods, this is on you. Yes... it's an unpaid thankless job. Yes... it's very hard to toe the line. But here's a pro tip: when someone starts going off like that, do not pussy foot around with PMs and telling them to settle down... hit them immediately with a 12/24 hour ban. This is almost 100% effective in stopping situations before they get to huge-****ing-meltdown level.QUOTE]

Great post overall, except most people do get banned before they truly get out of line. This was tried with Neutered, but he had to be unbanned so a final PM could go through to him. He went way over the line posting when he was temporarily unbanned. It was mentioned somewhere in this thread or the Free the Deer thread that Neutered was told he was only banned for a day only to be lied to. I did in fact ban him for a day (PMing him that it may be longer, but it was roughly 3 a.m. so mods couldn't reallly discuss it at the time), but he had to be unbanned so a final PM from another mod could go through to him. There was really no choice to lengthen his ban after he resumed posting maliciously after being unbanned temporarily. Neutered being banned "unfairly" is pretty much the only argument I can't even slightly agree with in this thread or any others.

By the way, everything else in your post I agree 100% with LAX lol.

 

[notredomer23]

Have not read 4th page, but this thread is full of

 

[kmoose]

If Old Man Mike gets himself banned, I'm going to just call it a life and enter the Seminary!

 

[beryirish]

I just want to clarify...for myself..so I know.



--Bambi is gone forever
--Dshans is banned for a bit

--GBDomer is taking a breather and coming back
--Turningpoint is taking a breather and coming back


Am I right on these????

 

[mgriff]

This is really getting tiresome. IE is not a democracy, people need to understand that. We are on a site that someone else owns, and they have the right to refuse service for any reason. Conversely, I think the mods may have to clarify some banning points for legal purposes; for the posters who have given their money to support the site. It's not a huge deal to me, but for some, I can completely understand the point. I'm not entirely sure of the legal coverage, because let's be serious, I didn't read the wall of text when I donated. I generally side with the mods, because if you're even giving them a reason to think about banning you, you prolly messed up. I can't really comment on the bannings, because that stuff always goes to PMs and evolves much further than the threaded content. Follow the rules or find somewhere else to post. It's sad that it's devolved to this, and so many people are arguing about such petty ****. Unless they make the donators stock holders, the setup is unlikely to change.

I nominate myself for modding the mods.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

This is really getting tiresome. IE is not a democracy, people need to understand that. We are on a site that someone else owns, and they have the right to refuse service for any reason, just like a restaurant. Conversely, I think the mods may have to clarify some banning points for legal purposes; for the posters who have given their money to support the site. It's not a huge deal to me, but for some, I can completely understand the point. I'm not entirely sure of the legal coverage, because let's be serious, I didn't read the wall of text when I donated. I generally side with the mods, because if you're even giving them a reason to think about banning you, you prolly messed up. I can't really comment on the bannings, because that stuff always goes to PMs and evolves much further than the threaded content. Follow the rules or find somewhere else to post. It's sad that it's devolved to this, and so many people are arguing about such petty ****. Unless they make the donators stock holders, the setup is unlikely to change.

I nominate myself for modding the mods.

This about sums it up perfectly in my opinion. No one forced anyone to donate money to the site. It you screw up, you get removed. Donating money does not give you the legal right to act like an a*s*s when it comes to stated rules of the board. This is kind of funny but just to put into context, let's say you go to a go-kart track... You're hammering people, left and right. You're getting your Rowdy Busch on and said minimum wage guy says, "You, pull into the pits." They have the right to refuse service because you were acting like an idiot knocking people all over the track. And most places I've seen say if you act like an idiot, you're not entitled to a refund. Game over.

This is kind of the same thing... Just because you donated money to the site does not entitle you to act like an idiot, be confrontational and call people out just because you floated a $20 to someone none of us have ever met. Hell, if you folks want to bit*h to someone, find out who the owner is... Let him deal with the headache of dealing with mods if you all think they're ruling with a heavy hand... I have a feeling you may not like the answer you get, if any, but you can go for it if you choose *Disclaimer* I've never seen the cat post so I'm not sure he gives two shits about your complaints.

Just a suggestion.

*Mods/Jason*..... Keep it up. You guys are doing an amazing job and you've got my undying support. Keep it up.

 

[kmoose]

The Mods are the mods. And the Rockers are the rockers. (sadly, dshans would have gotten the Quadrophenia reference immediately) I think that what some people are saying is, "The clearer the rules, the less likely we are, to find ourselves in violation of them." It's a reasonable stance. It's also a reasonable response, for the Mods to say, "We can't plan for every eventuality. If you cross a gray line, we'll give you ONE chance to jump back on the right side. If you do, then no harm no foul. If you don't, you'll be down the road."

 

[jmurphy75]

This thread has had some good dialogue, I've been posting on here a while and am pretty familiar with you guys and can appreciate everyone's different personalities. My 2 cents about how people post on here is that you should post like you're in front of the people in the discussion. Don't pop off with attacks that you would not in person, I've seen some exchanges that would have caused a bitch slap or two in person. We're all adults and passionate about ND but don't type something that you would not say to someone that you standing in front of. This site continues to get better with the addition of new informative posters and the mods should't have to babysit veteran posters to make sure that we're all acting like semi intelligent people.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

This thread has had some good dialogue, I've been posting on here a while and am pretty familiar with you guys and can appreciate everyone's different personalities. My 2 cents about how people post on here is that you should post like you're in front of the people in the discussion. Don't pop off with attacks that you would not in person, I've seen some exchanges that would have caused a bitch slap or two in person. We're all adults and passionate about ND but don't type something that you would not say to someone that you standing in front of. This site continues to get better with the addition of new informative posters and the mods should't have to babysit veteran posters to make sure that we're all acting like semi intelligent people.

Excellent post and I think what is most important in the end....

WE ARE ND!!! ALL OF US! Let's start acting like it. 14 days until holy hell gets unleashed on USF.

 

[woolybug25]

This is really getting tiresome. IE is not a democracy, people need to understand that. We are on a site that someone else owns, and they have the right to refuse service for any reason. Conversely, I think the mods may have to clarify some banning points for legal purposes; for the posters who have given their money to support the site. It's not a huge deal to me, but for some, I can completely understand the point. I'm not entirely sure of the legal coverage, because let's be serious, I didn't read the wall of text when I donated. I generally side with the mods, because if you're even giving them a reason to think about banning you, you prolly messed up. I can't really comment on the bannings, because that stuff always goes to PMs and evolves much further than the threaded content. Follow the rules or find somewhere else to post. It's sad that it's devolved to this, and so many people are arguing about such petty ****. Unless they make the donators stock holders, the setup is unlikely to change.

I nominate myself for modding the mods.

I agree and disagree.

We need to listen to the mods better and quite making their lives hell. We could do a better job b!itching about eachother too.

That being said, the mods and the owners wouldn't have a site without us posters. We (the Royal We, which includes the Mods) make this site what it is through our posts. I doubt the mods would disagree with me on that. Because of that, I think we should get a say too. I dont think that we should be able to boss around mods or treat eachother like crap, but to say that we have no rights and should never question anything is absurd. The mods also want us to be happy and enjoy posting here. Without our feedback, they have no idea if we like the direction of the site.

As others have said, the mods are doing a great job. They have a tough job, especially lately. We need to be cognizant of their rules and they should be cognizant of how we feel about things too. I agree its not a democracy, but it shouldn't be Nazi Germany either.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I come to IE to get away from the BS of WORK and life in general...a getaway to talk to some great Irish fans and get their perspective on the team/season/recruiting etc.

And lately ppl don't know how to treat each other with respect, just because they can hide behind their keyboard. Some of the stuff I have read is downright mean...anyone ever said anything like the to my face I would of beat their *** .

I have an issue with 1 poster on this site...i think he is a elitist jacka$$ that is too smart for everyone...I choose to go right past his posts because this is ENTERTAINMENT. If i want to get into it with someone I just have to go to work and deal with one of the hundreds of PHD know it all's...

Get a grip ppl and STOP to enjoy IE....

 

[mgriff]

I agree and disagree.

We need to listen to the mods better and quite making their lives hell. We could do a better job b!itching about eachother too.

That being said, the mods and the owners wouldn't have a site without us posters. We (the Royal We, which includes the Mods) make this site what it is through our posts. I doubt the mods would disagree with me on that. Because of that, I think we should get a say too. I dont think that we should be able to boss around mods or treat eachother like crap, but to say that we have no rights and should never question anything is absurd. The mods also want us to be happy and enjoy posting here. Without our feedback, they have no idea if we like the direction of the site.

As others have said, the mods are doing a great job. They have a tough job, especially lately. We need to be cognizant of their rules and they should be cognizant of how we feel about things too. I agree its not a democracy, but it shouldn't be Nazi Germany either.

Again, it's not a democracy. If you don't like how things are, you simply leave. The English empire wouldn't have been an empire without the common folk, but that didn't matter in the slightest, they lived in relative squalor and had little to no rights. You would have to go found America in this scenario, and that isn't happening. This is hands down the best Irish site on the net, and while it has had rough times, recently this has been getting out of hand, and that is coming from someone with only two years on the board.

I get your point dude, and I'm not trying to start a fight, (I'm a god damn veteran) but at the end of the day, it's obey or leave; authoritarian and draconian in nature, but the nature of the beast nonetheless. It's not up to us how someone runs their property. If you disagree with it, you boycott said business. There will always be gray areas, nothing in life is ever black and white.

Now I'm going to enjoy my coffee. I'm a lot calmer than you, dude.

 

[woolybug25]

Again, it's not a democracy. If you don't like how things are, you simply leave. The English empire wouldn't have been an empire without the common folk, but that didn't matter in the slightest, they lived in relative squalor and had little to no rights. You would have to go found America in this scenario, and that isn't happening. This is hands down the best Irish site on the net, and while it has had rough times, recently this has been getting out of hand, and that is coming from someone with only two years on the board.

I get your point dude, and I'm not trying to start a fight, (I'm a god damn veteran) but at the end of the day, it's obey or leave; authoritarian and draconian in nature, but the nature of the beast nonetheless. It's not up to us how someone runs their property. If you disagree with it, you boycott said business. There will always be gray areas, nothing in life is ever black and white.

Now I'm going to enjoy my coffee. I'm a lot calmer than you, dude.

haha, did you read what I wrote or just scanned it and went straight to telling me to GTFO? I was just trying to have some dialogue, no need to flip your lid. The veteran comment is funny.

 

[mgriff]

haha, did you read what I wrote or just scanned it and went straight to telling me to GTFO? I was just trying to have some dialogue, no need to flip your lid. The veteran comment is funny.

I didn't watch my buddies die facedown in the muck so you can tell me I'm flipping my lid when I'm clearly way calmer 'en you are, dude. I would like to agree that we should get a say, but we really don't. We can say what we want but it certainly doesn't have to be taken into account, as bad as it sounds.

 

[NankerPhelge]

Lot's of good points here.

1. Yeah, it's only rock and roll. Entertainment. I don't think I've ever attacked anyone personally (I know I haven't). Because that's the rules. But, honestly, if someone posted that Nanker is a dumbass idiot who posts nothing but bullshit and should be banned, I really wouldn't give a ****, because it's just something to do for fun when there is nothing else to do. If I ever take seriously anything on this site that is said about me, PLEASE HAVE ME COMMITTED. It's only a GD internet website, for God's sake. If I take it serious, I need to work harder on getting a life.

2. Yeah, yeah. We're all supposed to remain civil. I get that. So, why did DShans feel the need to ask for a "favor" the other day in the context of asking people to tone down the "old people" bashing? I'm old. Not quite as old as DShans, but no youngster, nonetheless. So, when we have post after post bashing old alumni (beating people with walkers and canes, and blah, blah, blah, old people are to blame for the suckiness of the ND stadium atmoshere, etc., etc., all of which I think is bullshit, and I probably attend more games per year than anyone else on this site, and yell my *** off). . .am I to take that personally? Is that civil? Is that a personal attack on us older members, although not by name, pretty much everybody knows who we are. (Pretty ****-poor representation of the Notre Dame community, in my oh so humble opinion.) What if I made similar derogotory comments on here about fans of other races, or religions, or gender? Pretty soon it wouldn't be long before I joined Neutered and DShans in exile (on main st.). But, it's OK to unmercifully blast older people. I don't give a flying **** myself, honestly, but it just shows that the "ban-hammer" is completely subjective and depends, to a great extent, on who's ox is being gored.

A whole lot of whoop-de-doo about nothing. Somebody got their feelings hurt. Big f'n deal. Especially on a PM.

"I can't begin to count the times he made me laugh, or the times he made me cry.

It's always sad to watch your heroes die.

One by one, as they fall.
Pretty soon, there'll be no heroes at all."

 

[kmoose]

I didn't watch my buddies die facedown in the muck so you can tell me I'm flipping my lid when I'm clearly way calmer 'en you are, dude.

Whoa! That's dirty pool. woolybug didn't shoot any of your buddies, didn't send them off to a foreign land to die in the muck, and (presumably) didn't support the people who did kill your friends. I'm a veteran, too. While I never engaged in actual combat, I've lost friends to all manner of aviation accidents. I even recovered a pilot's helmet, with his grape still in it, after an F-18 crashed at NAS Pt. Mugu. But veterans are not the only ones who have seen their fill of blood and guts. How about EMTs? How about firefighters? How about ER docs and nurses? I'm proud of my service, and I thank you for yours. We're on the same team, so it's as a teammate that I remind you that there are many others that have been through just as much as us, if not more. Sometimes it's better just to smile, confident in your stance, than to proclaim your innocence and the correctness of your views.

Here's to you and me, and also to those friends, comrades, and brothers who never made it home! They will never be forgotten.

 

[mgriff]

Whoa! That's dirty pool. woolybug didn't shoot any of your buddies, didn't send them off to a foreign land to die in the muck, and (presumably) didn't support the people who did kill your friends. I'm a veteran, too. While I never engaged in actual combat, I've lost friends to all manner of aviation accidents. I even recovered a pilot's helmet, with his grape still in it, after an F-18 crashed at NAS Pt. Mugu. But veterans are not the only ones who have seen their fill of blood and guts. How about EMTs? How about firefighters? How about ER docs and nurses? I'm proud of my service, and I thank you for yours. We're on the same team, so it's as a teammate that I remind you that there are many others that have been through just as much as us, if not more. Sometimes it's better just to smile, confident in your stance, than to proclaim your innocence and the correctness of your views.

Here's to you and me, and also to those friends, comrades, and brothers who never made it home! They will never be forgotten.

It was a line from The Big Lebowski. I really am a veteran, though. No hostility towards the man whatsoever. Heroes are the ones who never make it home. Cheers.

 

[kmoose]

It was a line from The Big Lebowski. I really am a veteran, though. No hostility towards the man whatsoever. Heroes are the ones who never make it home. Cheers.

The Big Lebowski appears to be this generation's "Caddyshack". You see, if you would have said, "Don't sell yourself short, Judge, you're a tremendous slouch!", I would have picked up on that right away. Then again, I'm old. Not quite as old as Nanker, who is not quite as old as dshans, who is not quite as old as Old Man Mike, who is just slightly older than Methuselah.... but, still, old.

 

[mgriff]

The Big Lebowski appears to be this generation's "Caddyshack". You see, if you would have said, "Don't sell yourself short, Judge, you're a tremendous slouch!", I would have picked up on that right away. Then again, I'm old. Not quite as old as Nanker, who is not quite as old as dshans, who is not quite as old as Old Man Mike, who is just slightly older than Methuselah.... but, still, old.

License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote.

"We have a pool.........and a pond. The pond would be good for you though."

 

[kmoose]

So I got that going for me.................. which is nice!

 

[NDinL.A.]

From what I understand, NDinL.A., you were neg repped after you closed a thread.

From there you took it to PM with the said poster. It broke down. When you say cursed out, I think that's fine in PMs. If it's not, I certainly need to understand the rules.

It was never about PM. It never even went to PM (don't know where you got that). I keep trying to tell you that you don't know the whole story, nor will I ever feel the need to tell everyone the entire story of every single infraction a mod gives, even if they are your internet best friend. Don't have the time, nor do I want to make the time. And his friends here want to make him out to be some angel/martyr who is being wronged by the 'man'. Yeah right. Check his history. He's been banned before, and not by me. He's been given warnings, infractions, bannings...nothing works. He goes from 0-60 in less than a second, and for what? Some Internet chat? Please. Dshans got a temporary banning, and he got what he deserved. I went through the proper channels, and it was agreed upon. This is only a big deal because you have made it out to be. To me, it's just another sad story of a grown-up who can't control himself. I don't feel one iota of regret or sadness over what happened to him, b/c in the end, it's really not a big deal.

PMs to me is fair game. Toughen up, or ignore my PMs. I curse freely here. If you pulled out in front of me, you'll get the bird. If you then roll down your window, you'll get a **** you.

I understand toning it down in posts for general public, but if we go to combat, no-holds-barred.

I think it's a disgrace to even invite combat otherwise.

WTF? I think you take this stuff way too seriously johnny. Why go to 'combat' with an Irish fan??? Why not just talk to each other like grown-ups? I'm sure I'll be at the Pep Rally, and then The Linebacker on Friday the 2nd. I'll be tailgating with Irish fans on the 3rd. I'll be celebrating the Irish win at Legends or The Linebacker Saturday night. And no, I won't be going into 'combat' when talking to Irish fans then, so why would I do that here??? Why not just talk to dudes like you were having a cold one at a bar? You and I just don't see eye to eye here bro, at all.

That's the rules I'm talking about. You say to "take it to PMs." The gloves come off there. But now you can be bannned for it.

First of all, if you badger someone in a PM unprovoked, you will be given a short vacation. If you just cuss a guy out in a PM, for absolutely no reason (no interaction before that), you will be given a short vacation until you can calm the hell down. Does that REALLY need to be spelled out? It's one thing if you are asked to take it to PM, or if you are arguing in a thread and you take it to PM. That's fine. But to just start sh!t for no reason? Stupid and uncalled for.

In my humble opinion, that was chicken **** to ban the guy. Straight up. Since You asked, I'll tell you.

IMO, it's chickens*** to consistently go after someone for what amounts to nothing, which is what your boy did. IMO, it's chicken**** to treat this site like it's Glee or something and act so poorly my middle school students would be embarrassed. And IMO, it's chicken**** to start a thread basically ripping on mods (well, me) on something you know absolutely nothing about. How hard would it have been to PM me asking what happened? But instead, you start yet another thread about your fallen homies, all of whom absolutely deserved what they got. And you keep acting like it's a permanent thing. It's not. He just needs to check himself, and if he can't it'll be permanent. And then I'm sure you'll be all over me again, but you're talking to the wrong guy. Because by this point, I honestly don't give a rip what you think about your boys because you're judgment is so clouded.

I agree in full that the OP had a terrible subject concerning the lake getaway. How can you associate Miami and ND's lake getaway? Why would you post it? Does the poster have "zero" understanding of how google works? I would have nuked the thread if I were a mod.

That is exactly what people are talking about when they say newbies are treated poorly. First off, you need to tell EVERYONE on here to check google before they ask questions. EVERYONE here who asks a question might find it on google, but they come HERE for answers, which are appreciated. 2nd of all, I had no problem with his question, and neither did a lot of people. Not everyone knows everything about the NCAA rules, and I think it was totally legit to wonder if it was an NCAA violation (remembering that not everyone follows college football as closely as we do). You could have either ignored it if you thought it was so bad, or pointed out to the guy why it wasn't a violation and even said why it wasn't even close to being a violation.

Instead, bogtrotter acted like a complete a**hole to the guy. I mean, he was a jack***. That cannot even be debated. People told him to relax, and he defended himself for acting like a complete jacka** to the guy. And you defended him as well. I saw the title of that thread, knew I didn't have time to watch the UND video and didn't enter the thread. Got back after work and it was a sh!tstorm, all b/c of bogtrotter. I mod sent him a PM asking him to chill. I sent him a PM asking him to chill. So what does he do? He goes to 2 different threads to bag on the rules of the site. So he got what he deserved, a temporary vacation. He probably should have gotten more, but whatever, he'll get a 2nd chance.

I'm not certain of how things unfolded there with him, but I don't think you guys gave him a fair shake. Maybe he was a little bold. This is my opinion.

You're not sure how things unfolded, but yet I was wrong and I didn't give him a fair shake. Hmmmmm....

Now, the major point I have to make is this:

I paid (donated) for The Varsity Club Membership. Now that it's a "membership" I paid for, I want you and the other mods to know, its a LEGAL issue to not inform me for what I may lose my "privilege" concerning this place I hang my Notre Dame hat up in.

If you do not "define" what will cause me to go away, and represent a standard, you are at risk of legal ramifications.

I, of course, would never pursue such case, but you can bet an attorney with nothing better to do might.

Oh. My. God. Please tell me you're not being serious johnny. Threatening legal action (I know you said you wouldn't do it but you brought this ridiculous scenario up, not me) because you get banned for acting like a jack*ss on a message board? Seriously? What did you pay, like 10 bucks? 20 bucks? And you think that gives you the right to act like an idiot, threaten mods, threaten other people on this site, rip on other people on this site? (all things that people have been banned for.) Dude, if you think a judge would look at that case for even 2 seconds without laughing it out of court, I have a golden bridge overlooking the Pacific Ocean in South Bend to sell you. I don't know who I'd pity more, the fool who took a case like that to court ot the lawyer who took the case.

Shame on you for even going there. You're better than that.

So get in shape with your rules, because this subjective **** is not cutting it. Not at all.

All those rules are for posters like you, and you still don't understand them??? What don't you get about them? Sorry, but I'm literally laughing out loud right now. ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!") It should be one very simple rule...don't be an idiot. Instead, those rules were devised, just to avoid situations like this. But with you, just because your friends got banned (deservedly), you make it even HARDER for the mods.

Some people will find a reason to complain no matter what.

 

[BeauBenken]

I don't even want to try to read that...

 

[Buster Bluth]

bogtrotter has been banned too?! What in the name of God's great interwebz is going on?!



In the words of Major Clitpon: MADNESS! MADNESS!!!

 

[IrishLax]

I don't even want to try to read that...

Don't. It'll just make you more irritated. Can't believe people are still perpetuating this nonsense. Just very disappointing. I've taken my final thoughts to the social groups and I strongly suggest someone lock this thread already.

 

[notredomer23]

Guys. This is a message board. Everyone needs to lighten up. People come and go. As the OP had in the first post, let it be.

 

[Kingbish01]

Kickoff in 14 Days, 06 Hours, 34 Minutes, 51 Seconds.

 

[Sureal]

Folks just need to see one of our safeties knock some heads...that's all

 

[woolybug25]

It was a line from The Big Lebowski. I really am a veteran, though. No hostility towards the man whatsoever. Heroes are the ones who never make it home. Cheers.

Just so you know, I knew what you meant. We're all good my man.

 

[Old Man Mike]

When I began reading this board over a year and a half ago [to get some stress relief from the constant care for my Mother], IE was a little like an old west mining town trying to transition to a more civilized community with a school and a church and an active town sheriff. The old IE seemed like a place where people who liked to try to gun down an opponent in the street, or at least watch someone else do it, thrived [i.e. had fun].

As i read on, the site became more well known --- obviously being read by many sorts of folks including recruits families. If you googled something like "Notre Dame football", IE rose higher and higher on the page, and completely dominated your choice for an unofficial "fan" site. "We" were famous whether anyone wanted to be or not.

I think with increased public exposure also comes some responsibility, and I think that the moderators thought so too, as there were more cautions about unthinking bashing away. Personally, I liked that, but maybe some folks from the Old West didn't. I liked the greater amount of knowledgeable input, and the "on-topic" discussion increase, and even the non-combative silliness to increase the laughs. Most of that doesn't come naturally to a macho mining town. Transition we have abundantly, and transition is always rough.

I like and applaud our trend. I believe that we have some responsibility towards "outsiders", recruits, and the image of Notre Dame, that a more anonymous IE might not have to concern itself about. I wish for the return of "lost brothers", but I understand the wisdom of LAX when he suggests regular "time-outs".

One old man's view.