'12 IL DT Tommy Schutt (Ohio State Verbal)

[AvesEvo]

Seems to me that from reading between the lines that the scenario probably played out as such: The staff was aware the Schutt was going to commit this week during his visit, and gave Day and ultimatum: Commit to ND now or lose your spot to Schutt. Day considered it, and chose to commit to ND rather than risk losing his spot by playing out the process.

If the staff did in fact know that Schutt was going to commit, it is my opinion that what they may or may not have done is really shi*tty.

 

[NDman3]

It's a space issue but the 5th Year's and Transfers would have to take place (be known to the coaching staff before NSD. Kelly would know who the 5th Year's are he wants back but remember, this is Notre Dame. A faculty board decides which of them are academically eligible AFTER NSD. (Another piece of the uneven playing field that an ND coach has to deal with.)

Gotcha just some hopefully thinking.

 

[woolybug25]

If the staff did in fact know that Schutt was going to commit, it is my opinion that what they may or may not have done is really shi*tty.

I hate to admit, but I totally agree.

 

[koonja]

Maybe BK didn't directly tell Shutt no. Maybe they had Day rated higher, and Day wanted to commit but told BK that he'd offer a solid commit if they stopped going after Shutt.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

SWiltfong247 Steve Wiltfong
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Just got word that Tommy Schutt will no longer be visiting Michigan. The staff asked him not to. Things could be developing in AA.

Michigan I cant imagine Michigan with the state of their defense is in position to turn away a guy like Schutt even if they landed Pipkins or Obrien, or even both of them to be honest.

I wonder what the source of this information is and if there is a possibility it was taken out of context. Is it at all possible that the reports of us being out of it with Schutt were premature and that it was OUR staff that asked him not to visit UM?

I could easily see somebody saying "Yea I dont think Im going Michigan anymore this week, the staff asked if I could cancel the visit". Something like that could mean their staff canceled, or our staff asked him to cancel. Its possible with Day committing kind of out of the blue it seemed that maybe the staff wanted a minute to gather their bearings and re-evaluate where they wanted to go from there. Sorry but I just dont buy it that Brian Kelly would use Schutts visit next week as bait to coax a commit out of a kid (Day) like some are saying, especially with over 6 months left in the recruiting cycle. Additionally BK has been around long enough to know you dont burn bridges with coaches, especially in your own backyard, and that essentially playing Schutt to land Day wouldnt sit well.

There is a lot more to this than we know, whether that information eventually works its way out from behind closed doors remains to be seen.

 

[greyhammer90]

If the staff did in fact know that Schutt was going to commit, it is my opinion that what they may or may not have done is really shi*tty.

Have to agree. This smells of bad karma. We just Omar Hunter'd this kid.

 

[rtrn2glory]

been sitting back and reading, but i guess i'll chime in. disappointed in the news to say the least for sure, but like the rest of us i have to trust coach kelly and the staff. my only guess is that this means that we are looking to add one more guy at either defensive back, wideout, olb maybe. eitherway i feel sorry for the kid with the way things are starting to go down. hope everything turns out ok for him and he doesn't hold too big of a grudge.

 

[irishfan]

Don't get this. You have to stockpile the lines. BK should be able to get 25+ points a game if he's as good of a playcaller/developer as he's supposed to be. I'm going to be seriously questioning him if this spot goes to a 4th receiver or 2nd running back (since its all but guaranteed we're getting at least 3 wrs and 1 rb.)

 

[rtrn2glory]

we're going to take 2 RBs atleast maybe 3...bank on that, regardless of this situation.

 

[koonja]

Don't get this. You have to stockpile the lines. BK should be able to get 25+ points a game if he's as good of a playcaller/developer as he's supposed to be. I'm going to be seriously questioning him if this spot goes to a 4th receiver or 2nd running back (since its all but guaranteed we're getting at least 3 wrs and 1 rb.)

I'm sure I'll take heat for this, but I hope it's not for Ian Thomas.

 

[Ben E.]

i dont know, maybe he isnt really 6-3? do we know if he has gone to any of the camps to participate vs big time talent? i know some coaches dont like d lineman that are short with short wing spans....

 

[fitz_bu47]

This sucks, I like this kid, and think he can be a player. That said, I'm not recruiting on my PS3 here, I trust the coaches. I hope everything works out for us, and for Tommy.

 

[tadman95]

I think, as mentioned earlier, that there is more to this than we know. We may not ever know the circumstances but details usually leak out over time. Will be interesting

 

[IrishLax]

Brian Kelly's Staff Recruiting acumen > ALL OF US. Trust our coach

3 kickers. A long snapper. 0*/2* recruits.

But no consensus 4* NG.

Sorry, in this case, there is no way I buy that this is the right decision.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Does this remind anybody else of Chance Carter? Wanted to commit, had no room. Wanted to commit elsewhere, no room. Ended up at Northwestern?

 

[irishog77]

To be honest, I'm still kind of blown away by the fact that we may only take 2 DL this year. Nobody knows how injuries, transfers, red shirt years, etc. will ever play out. Even with somewhat limited numbers in this cycle (but hey, 21 guys is still enough to almost field a squad), I worry about the overall balance of the roster. I know coaches can say they want X amount of players at each position grouping, but stockpiling certain positions in a cycle can lead you right back to that same boat in a couple years-- HAVING to sign 8 DE's, DB's, or whatever. 2 DL this next year means, in a couple years, we'll HAVE to sign a huge DL class in a couple years. And I understand we got Lynch and Tuitt this year and Tee and Darby on board for next year, but at some point, it'll be hard to sign multiple elite players at one position. Most players understand they'll have to work hard and earn playing time, but it's also easier for them to understand that some of the guys ahead of them on the depth chart...will be gone in a year or 2 (upperclassmen), rather than all having the same eligibility.

I don't know- just my opinion. I still have faith in Kelly and crew though.

 

[irishog77]

3 kickers. A long snapper. 0*/2* recruits.

But no consensus 4* NG.

Sorry, in this case, there is no way I buy that this is the right decision.

Lax- you've been preaching to the choir (to me, at least) on this whole issue.

 

[Riddickulous]

I think this means that Kelly plans on keeping two nose guards, out of Cwynar/Hafis/Newman, for next year.

 

[beryirish]

Just watch...Schutt will commit to ND tomorrow and we will all be like...."what the..YES!"

 

[irishog77]

I think this means that Kelly plans on keeping two nose guards, out of Cwynar/Hafis/Newman, for next year.

You could very well be right, Riddickulous. As an honest question to throw out there for anybody-- would you rather have a 5th year of a known commodity (Cwynar, Hafis, Newman), or several years of an unknown commodity (Schutt)?

The whole similar Michigan saga with Tommy makes me feel a little better (not for him personally, personally I feel bad for him) about this ordeal. Could definitely be something out there we're not privy to.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Very interesting. Obviously Day and Schutt both wanted to play at Notre Dame and the coaching staff feels they are virtually equal. Day could see the time was now or never and he jumped on the offer. Schutt will end up at a great program, if he was in love with ND he should have accepted right away. Playing a 3/4 we probably don't need 2 DTs especially if we are going to land a strongside DE/DT tweener like Jones (the coaches know more than anybody posting here about that). Also Tuitt certainly has the potential to move inside especially when we are in a 4-3.

I don't mind being able to send a message to high 4* recruits that a Notre Dame scholarship offer is not one to sit on too long because there are other high 4* guys who also want to go here.

 

[JDAtlanta]

If we took them both, there would be some intense battles in practice!

 

[NDinL.A.]

This thread needs some order...Where is NDinLA when we need him!

In a meeting all day. Logged on to ISD, and they were having a meltdown. Came here, same thing. But everybody was fine; there was not anyone out of line at all. I start my lonnnnggg days of teaching/coaching this month, so someone else will have to police the board during the day.

I feal a lot better knowing he's probably overated but still feal bad for the kid he shouldnt have to go through this.

There's a reason kids commit early - to avoid these types of situations. The longer you wait, the more risk you take. And Schutt came to ND on the day of the spring game and left before the game. He has never (publicly and in his actions) shown the staff that he was all about ND and would commit. Anyone who says otherwise is dreaming, unless they can show proof.

If the staff did in fact know that Schutt was going to commit, it is my opinion that what they may or may not have done is really shi*tty.

WHY??? If the scenario played out that way, then they were completely honest with him, and Day as well. Obviously they had Day higher on their board. Let's say they did in fact tell Day that he had to commit or they were going with Schutt, who was next on their board. What's so bad about that? Would you have rather them not have said anything to either, and then got the lesser player? Well, when the better player is dominating for another school in 3 yrs, you can't be the one to complain about it, b/c you think it's sh*tty to be honest with kids.

Also, they saved Schutt money and time on a wasted trip. They could have told him to come, got him all excited, and then told him his offer was only actionable if Day decommitted. Now THAT would have been sh*tty.

3 kickers. A long snapper. 0*/2* recruits.

But no consensus 4* NG.

Sorry, in this case, there is no way I buy that this is the right decision.

Maybe you disagree with the decision, but Mike Frank has been saying they were only taking one interior guy for the longest time. And it has been proven true. Apparently, this staff is all about taking guys from the outside and moving them in if they can handle it or if it is necessary. They believe their system is still strong with players of that ilk (see: Cwynar, Sean). Schutt can only play NT, whereas Day can play both spots along the line.

I mean, I get why people are mad, but this is why I always wait before I post crazy thoughts - there's always more to the story. People were screaming that Michigan was going to get this 5 star recruit now (LOL - he's a 4 star, but that isn't sensational enough for the story). An hour later we find out that Michigan has TWO guys rated higher than him, and weren't interested in him. And many of you have been trashing Michigan's recruits for months - well, he's not even good enough to join the players yuo guys have been trashing.

Ahhhhh, the joys of the message boards and their wildfire stories/lies/misconjecture...

 

[arrowryan]

Are we seriously going to have a meltdown over one kid? Not every 5* recruit turns out to be what people thought. I honestly think Day would be a great NT and so would Jones, but they could both play d-end. Why are we forgetting about Nix? I think Nix is going to be a great NG for us. We can always get a NG in next years class. So dont throw a hissy fit about it, life goes on.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

In a meeting all day. Logged on to ISD, and they were having a meltdown. Came here, same thing. But everybody was fine; there was not anyone out of line at all. I start my lonnnnggg days of teaching/coaching this month, so someone else will have to police the board during the day.

Yea I know no one was out of line, but I like saying that we need you to maintain sanity lol.

 

[KPENN]

I'm confused. Was there actually info that Schutt was gonna commit or had ND at the top or was it just speculation?

 

[beryirish]

There has been so much said in these threads I'm not sure if it has been said....if so sorry.

But the deal nonetheless is he is a good Dline prospect. You live and die at the lines. The Dline plugs the holes and rushes the passer. It all starts there. Look at the dominant D's in the SEC....Dlines. The following year, the Dline is still dominant even after they lost some to graduation/draft. I feel you can't have too much talent in the trenches. I also feel you can't keep reloading the Dline or have depth if you bring in 6 one year and 2 the next. FSU already has 6 Dline in this years class, 6 last year, and 6 the year before. We may be short at secondary and ND so far has a good group of kids coming in...(only one I want left is Shaq)..but Dline is more important. Agree to disagree I'm stepping down now.

 

[koonja]

Like I said before, Nix is only going to be a sophomore or redshirt freshman (depending on 5th year). It's a peculiar move, but we have plenty of time to get a NT. Maybe the staff has a rockstar of a NT lined up for next year? Who knows.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think this means that Kelly plans on keeping two nose guards, out of Cwynar/Hafis/Newman, for next year.

If we bring back to most obvious 5th years-- Crist, Cave, Cwynar, KLM, and Slaughter-- then we can only bring in a class of 21 this year. If we're bringing back Hafis as well, then we're limited to a class of 20.

Maybe Hafis has been more impressive than we know.

 

[Ironman8]

I'm confused. Was there actually info that Schutt was gonna commit or had ND at the top or was it just speculation?

24/7 reported he was going to commit when he visited Tuesday.