'12 IN S John Turner (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[irishfan]

Ha. Too bad he didn't register here. I remember Emeka Nwankwo was on here back in the day during his recruitment. Kid has some balls to bring it up though, good for him.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Ha. Too bad he didn't register here. I remember Emeka Nwankwo was on here back in the day during his recruitment. Kid has some balls to bring it up though, good for him.

Sure. Not intended to make fun (although it was intended to be a factual statement). I just step back sometimes and realize that I don't have any real expertise.

 

[BleedBlue&Gold]

can't measure heart, this kid is showing me some.

 

[nd1989]

can't measure heart, this kid is showing me some.

I'm a fan now....

 

[Maddog77]

John Turner just became one of my favorite recruits in this class. Here's looking forward to him making some people eat a lot of crow.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

This guy will be just fine and I am looking forward to seeing him play. This kid has alot of heart and I think many will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[military_irish]

I don't know if any fan base on his offer list would do this, or heck any fanbase that despises the ND fanbase would. But I would not put it past another fan base sending him a message on facebook, or some other means, and telling him to look at this site to see what fans have said.

 

[RyCo1983]

I don't know if any fan base on his offer list would do this, or heck any fanbase that despises the ND fanbase would. But I would not put it past another fan base sending him a message on facebook, or some other means, and telling him to look at this site to see what fans have said.

Or maybe he googled himself.

 

[military_irish]

Or maybe he googled himself.

Nope too far fetched

 

[RyCo1983]

Nope too far fetched

haha
yeah, I do live in a fantasy world.

 

[Riddickulous]

I put my trust in the staff when it comes to evaluating talent. I would not be surprised if Turner turned (<-- tongue twister) into a great safety here.

 

[Praytorian]

I'm a fan now....

I was a fan before he commited. I'm not a professional scouter like the coaches at ND are. If they believe he is enough of a man/athelete to be a student at ND then I will root for him (unless he commits to a school that plays against ND).

 

[GreatGolson]

Good to see the Cathedral man getting some love. Go (cathedral) IRISH

 

[alohagoirish]

Have you guys checked out the 40 speeds from OREGON. Lots & Lots of top rated skill players were running 4.6's and higher.--The true 4.5s were hard to find even among the elite.

Mr Turner can not really be called some kind of long shot or highly speculative judgement call by the staff.---When you come to camp--to ND camp , not with a 4.45 on your resume but with a TRUE 4.5 timed by our coaches , along with a 4.12 shuttle---BINGO!

By in large the element that seperates the top talent from the lessor player is SPEED. You really can't coach that, its either a raw skill or you have to develop skills somewhere else.
Turner not only brings very good size but very very good speed. The kid has the natural talent to be a player , and appears to have alot of determination as well. This is no charity case of that we can all be sure.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Have you guys checked out the 40 speeds from OREGON. Lots & Lots of top rated skill players were running 4.6's and higher.--The true 4.5s were hard to find even among the elite.

Mr Turner can not really be called some kind of long shot or highly speculative judgement call by the staff.---When you come to camp--to ND camp , not with a 4.45 on your resume but with a TRUE 4.5 timed by our coaches , along with a 4.12 shuttle---BINGO!

By in large the element that seperates the top talent from the lessor player is SPEED. You really can't coach that, its either a raw skill or you have to develop skills somewhere else.
Turner not only brings very good size but very very good speed. The kid has the natural talent to be a player , and appears to have alot of determination as well. This is no charity case of that we can all be sure.

Please stop making so much sense, please.

Good post.

 

[BeauBenken]

Just playing a little devil's advocate, but you can coach straight line forty speed. Technique can be a difference from a 4.6 and a 4.45.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Too funny funny to hear someone called out that directly. And a constant reminder that basically all recruits read message boards more than people think.

And people wonder why I delete so many gd posts on recruits' threads. And then I get yelled at LOL.

And the funny thing is, I almost deleted Title2012's post but thought better of it since he had seen him play. And now we get publicity for it. Should we take it like Hollywood does - any publicity is good publicity? Yeah, didn't think so.

Oh well...use it as fuel Mr. Turner!

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Too funny funny to hear someone called out that directly. And a constant reminder that basically all recruits read message boards more than people think.

We've been preaching this s*h*i*t for years but no one gives a ****. Dumb-*** posters.... I giggle at you. God give you the strength to get out of your own way... Seriously.

 

[BeauBenken]

And people wonder why I delete so many gd posts on recruits' threads. And then I get yelled at LOL.

And the funny thing is, I almost deleted Title2012's post but thought better of it since he had seen him play. And now we get publicity for it. Should we take it like Hollywood does - any publicity is good publicity? Yeah, didn't think so.

Oh well...use it as fuel Mr. Turner!

I don't really think it's that bad of publicity.

I mean, no doubt, Turner picked the harshest of the comments to mention and maybe the "he doesn't look like a D1 player thing" would be questionable on whether you delete it, but I don't think you could get on Title for the other things he said. He just questioned his abilities which is fine in my book. Players will always get that.

To be honest, if a player can't take criticism (especially from a bunch of internet tough guys who don't know half of what they're saying) I would be concerned whether or not I'd want him. Clearly, Turner took this criticism in a very good way though and will like I said earlier "prove the haters wrong."

 

[koonja]

Just playing a little devil's advocate, but you can coach straight line forty speed. Technique can be a difference from a 4.6 and a 4.45.

I don't like when people apply exceptions when convenient (i.e., being bias and assuming that all ND recruits are 'flying under the radar' or all the 'RKG's')... That's like saying all the 4.4's could run 4.2's with proper technique, and the 4.6's could run 4.4's. If this is the case, is a 4.6 down to a 4.4 really good? No. He's not the fastest, not everyone is. Let's not bank on him getting much faster, but that's ok. 4.6 will do if he has all of the other intangibles.

 

[EddytoNow]

A lot of players are offered based upon the number of stars they have from some rating service. Turner showed up in South Bend and demonstrated what he has to offer the ND footbal program. The coaches saw him live and could judge his skills for themselves. It didn't take them long to make the offer, so they were obviously impressed with what they saw. If Chuck Martin and Brian Kelly want Turner in the defensive backfield, then I want him there too.

The number of stars mean nothing. Football is a game of god-given talent combined with heart. In Turner's case, the coaches have decided the talent and the heart are there, and they know a **** of a lot more about judging football players than you or I.

Welcome aboard, John. I look forward to seeing you intercept a few passes and deliver some bone-crushing hits.

 

[Old Man Mike]

My view on the general issue of crapping on recruits is extreme: don't do it. America is the Home of Free Speech and all that, but at IE I hope that we are a small part of a big team called Notre Dame football. That means not only supporting our players, but supporting our staff when they are recruiting. There is no way that the staff believe that slamming players during their recruitment is good policy.

When I hear that the staff has offered a player, I say: great; that means he is a very good player [ and a good prospect for the entirety of Notre Dame family membership] or they would never have offered him. It's not about me nor my opinions, it's about Kelly and his abilities and his job. I'll have plenty of opportunity to carp about the athlete later once he puts on the jersey, if I'm the kind of person who just has to do so.

My opinion about weaknesses in a players game at the high school level is probably relevant to recruitment in two ways: 1). it's amateurish compared to Kelly's assessment; and 2). it's not going to influence Kelly, so all I might do is influence a recruit --- which is absolutely NOT my job.

I am a big fan of Notre Dame football. I am a big fan of Staff Kelly. And I am a big fan of NDinLA when he blots out "unhelpful" posts [including this one if he assesses it that way; he is a good mod].

And, I am a big fan of John Turner. Thank you, young man, for being the sort of athlete and person that you are, that our great coaching staff can see you as a Notre Dame student and player. Give 'em h@ll your senior year!

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

My view on the general issue of crapping on recruits is extreme: don't do it. America is the Home of Free Speech and all that, but at IE I hope that we are a small part of a big team called Notre Dame football. That means not only supporting our players, but supporting our staff when they are recruiting. There is no way that the staff believe that slamming players during their recruitment is good policy.

When I hear that the staff has offered a player, I say: great; that means he is a very good player [ and a good prospect for the entirety of Notre Dame family membership] or they would never have offered him. It's not about me nor my opinions, it's about Kelly and his abilities and his job. I'll have plenty of opportunity to carp about the athlete later once he puts on the jersey, if I'm the kind of person who just has to do so.

My opinion about weaknesses in a players game at the high school level is probably relevant to recruitment in two ways: 1). it's amateurish compared to Kelly's assessment; and 2). it's not going to influence Kelly, so all I might do is influence a recruit --- which is absolutely NOT my job.

I am a big fan of Notre Dame football. I am a big fan of Staff Kelly. And I am a big fan of NDinLA when he blots out "unhelpful" posts [including this one if he assesses it that way; he is a good mod].

And, I am a big fan of John Turner. Thank you, young man, for being the sort of athlete and person that you are, that our great coaching staff can see you as a Notre Dame student and player. Give 'em h@ll your senior year!

Well said Mike. I couldn't agree more.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Damn, I just saw Cathedral's schedule.

Sat, 08/20/11 vs. Ben Davis @ Lucas Oil Stadium
Sat, 08/27/11 vs. Warren Central @ Warren Central
Mon, 09/05/11 vs Centerville (OH) @ Ohio State University
Sat, 09/10/11 vs Bishop Chatard @ Lucas Oil Stadium
Sat, 09/17/11 vs Ft. Wayne Dwenger @ Ft. Wayne
Fri, 09/23/11 vs Trinity HS for Boys @ Louisville, KY
Fri, 09/30/11 vs Ft. Wayne Snider @ Ft. Wayne
Fri, 10/07/11 vs Arsenal Tech HS @ Indianapolis Arsenal Tech H S
Fri, 10/14/11 vs Cincinnati Bishop Moeller @ Cincinnati Moeller

I guess if he does well against that schedule he can play anywhere. That's tougher than some D2 schedules.

 

[adsnorri]

That is a crazy tough schedule. Powerhouse after powerhouse. Your not lying. If he can excel with that schedule... He is vastly underrated.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

That is one hellacious schedule.

He is playing Odenigbo at OSU, that will be pretty sweet.

No Carmel?

 

[Ricochet]

Just playing a little devil's advocate, but you can coach straight line forty speed. Technique can be a difference from a 4.6 and a 4.45.

There is no question that one can improve there athleticism and speed by training and technique but it 40 times like any other stat only tell half the story.

IMO 40 times are extremely overrated especially when talking about football. 40 times are great at gauging raw athleticism but that's about it and there's much more to football and sports in general than just athleticism.

There is way to much stock put into 40 times because well first of all these guys are in shorts rather than pads and helmets on and anybody can tell you it's much different running, throwing and catching when your all geared up and when your in shorts and a T.

 

[BeauBenken]

Just playing a little devil's advocate, but you can coach straight line forty speed. Technique can be a difference from a 4.6 and a 4.45.

Ok, after I posted the statement above, there were some rebuttals.

First:

I don't like when people apply exceptions when convenient (i.e., being bias and assuming that all ND recruits are 'flying under the radar' or all the 'RKG's')... That's like saying all the 4.4's could run 4.2's with proper technique, and the 4.6's could run 4.4's. If this is the case, is a 4.6 down to a 4.4 really good? No. He's not the fastest, not everyone is. Let's not bank on him getting much faster, but that's ok. 4.6 will do if he has all of the other intangibles.

What are you saying? I'm confused.

Second:

There is no question that one can improve there athleticism and speed by training and technique but it 40 times like any other stat only tell half the story.

IMO 40 times are extremely overrated especially when talking about football. 40 times are great at gauging raw athleticism but that's about it and there's much more to football and sports in general than just athleticism.

There is way to much stock put into 40 times because well first of all these guys are in shorts rather than pads and helmets on and anybody can tell you it's much different running, throwing and catching when your all geared up and when your in shorts and a T.

I agree with you so...I hope you weren't trying to disagree with me. lol

Oh also, I'm not trying to be an ***, but don't lead me on thinking you have multiple things to say by saying "well first of all" and then only say one thing. That's like, "well first and last of all". lol

 

[NDinL.A.]

Guys, there are other threads that discuss all these things about speed and how to train for it and assess it, etc etc. Let's keep this thread about Turner (so he can use it to bag on our members to the press LOL). Thanks.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

That is one hellacious schedule.

He is playing Odenigbo at OSU, that will be pretty sweet.

No Carmel?

I'm pretty sure Cathedral dumped Carmel because Carmel would always have it as a home game, and Roncalli dropped Cathedral because they had a 12 game losing streak or something.