IrishSteelhead
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Bucks self-imposed punishment includes vacating 2010. Kind of funny seeing the NCAA was going to do that anyways. OSU just trying to weasel out of a meaty punishment.
Ohio State to vacate all of 2010's wins
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I saw a good point on another board:
The bulls-hit of it all is the fact that "vacating" is a virtual punishment, with no real tangible punishment. Obviously O$U isn't calling for loss of scholarships or post-season bans. They simply put the program on two years "probation." God I hope the NCAA puts their nuts in a vice.
You cheat; You Lose!
For decades that was the deal. Then we get PC. It's not fair to the kids on the team. T.S.!
Tell it to their cheating teammates and coaches.
Vacating punishes the teams that didn't cheat.
Ohio State vacates wins from 2010 football season, places program on probation | BuckeyeXtra
July 8, 2011 12:52 PM
By Randy Ludlow
The Columbus Dispatch
They still can't get their press conference statements and the truth in sync.
July 8, 2011 12:52 PM
By Randy Ludlow
The Columbus Dispatch
They still can't get their press conference statements and the truth in sync.
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pOSU is ruining my life! Have a little sympathy on us midwesterners, because scUM fans were already arrogant douche nozzles before, now if they think they "beat" pOSU they'll be unliveable! THANKS A LOT JIM TRESSEL! haha. But seriously...they are gonna get ugly.
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Um, as a person who lives in the middle of Buckeye Country who hates hearing OSU crap year round, this is welcoming news.
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I sympathize with you (based on your location), but I'd much rather see scUM dominate that match-up because it makes us look better when we curb stomp the skunkbears.
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To you, maybe but not to a ND fan who lives in the middle of wolverine country! And it was a joke...
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I know buckeye grads who can't even get it straight as to what they are... a nut or a flower.
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Well the mascot looks like a nuttish type figure.
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In related news.... I'm hearing buzz (that I'm sure everyone is also reading... no inside info) that they're snitching on other schools... specifically FSU. That might be the 10 that is coming. Certainly wouldn't shock me with the Aaron Lynch's HS coach being a tool and their sudden "resurgence."
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Wouldn't shock me. Where are you reading this out of curiosity?
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ISD and I forget where else but seen it a couple places. Completely unconfirmed, just typical BS internet chatter. Certainly wouldn't be shocking though.
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Cool thanks. I love the internet soap operas, so I'll have to check it out.
Other than the clear LACK of anything that resembles a real punishment, my other two favorite parts to this news today:
1.) Tressel announces that he'll be attending the August hearing infront of the NCAA. Everyone was speculating that he wasn't going to. Wonder what the change of heart was. Oh, yea, they removed the $250,000 fine he had to pay and actually paid him some sort of buy-out today of $52,000. Pretty much a, "Hey Jim, mind falling on the sword one more time? We'll pay ya!"
2.) Gene "The Hulk" Smith doing his best, "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!" quote with this gem..
"I'll be shocked and disappointed and on the offensive," Smith said. "Unless something new arises from where we are today, it'll be behavior (from me) you haven't witnessed."
Asked if that meant he was confident the NCAA would not come down harder on Ohio State, Smith replied, "I'm not saying I feel confident. What I'm saying is if they go that far as far as scholarship losses and things of that nature, I'm going to battle those hard."
Yea, you tell them Gene. Keep poking the bear (NCAA) with a stick. You already pulled the wool over their eyes in December, why not just keep at it.
HOW does this guy still have a job? And how does any OSU supporter look at the reversal of the Tressel fine (Gee said that he WOULD pay the fine) into a payment and not go, "Uh, WTF?"
1.) Tressel announces that he'll be attending the August hearing infront of the NCAA. Everyone was speculating that he wasn't going to. Wonder what the change of heart was. Oh, yea, they removed the $250,000 fine he had to pay and actually paid him some sort of buy-out today of $52,000. Pretty much a, "Hey Jim, mind falling on the sword one more time? We'll pay ya!"
2.) Gene "The Hulk" Smith doing his best, "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry!" quote with this gem..
"I'll be shocked and disappointed and on the offensive," Smith said. "Unless something new arises from where we are today, it'll be behavior (from me) you haven't witnessed."
Asked if that meant he was confident the NCAA would not come down harder on Ohio State, Smith replied, "I'm not saying I feel confident. What I'm saying is if they go that far as far as scholarship losses and things of that nature, I'm going to battle those hard."
Yea, you tell them Gene. Keep poking the bear (NCAA) with a stick. You already pulled the wool over their eyes in December, why not just keep at it.
HOW does this guy still have a job? And how does any OSU supporter look at the reversal of the Tressel fine (Gee said that he WOULD pay the fine) into a payment and not go, "Uh, WTF?"
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I'm no big fan of tOSU, but I am a fan of critical thinking. It seems you're just using the "reversal of the fine into a payment" to justify your continued animosity. It's quite possible that the University is "using" Tressel to protect themselves, and financially rewarding him for taking one for the team. But I don't know that. And neither do you. It's one thing to speculate that maybe there is something shady involved. But's its quite another, to run around just spouting it as if there were no other possible explanation.
This is what brought down the SouthWest Conference. School "X" got nailed. Some "X" alumni/boosters grumbled that "Y" probably turned them in. They hired privated detectives to get the dirt on "Y" and then sent it in the NCAA. "Y"'s alumni/boosters then hired detectives and went after others in the conference. "If we're going down, everybody else is going with us."
I was living in Texas at the time. My colleagues were mostly from SWC schools and the some of the office consersation got very heated. "Your school is more crooked than mine!" The company president put a gag order on college football talk in the office until the blood bleed out. When the feeding frenzy ended all but two schools were sanctioned. These weren't minor allegations either. Big time stuff. Dirty conference doing business as usual.
If Tressel wants to coach again for an NCAA school I believe he has to face the NCAA. He was the one that lied to the NCAA. He WAS the coverup. Tressel could stay home and count his millions. I have no idea whether he's financially set for life or needs a big paycheck to sustain his lifestyle.
IF he financially set he could flip off the NCAA and go into retirement or become a TV analyst. Doug Gottlieb if I recall correctly stole a college roommates credit card and ran up some bills. Today he's got an ESPN show. Eliot Spitzer got bounced as governor of NY for prostitutes and he's got a show on CNN or MSNBC. Bobby Knight was fired in disgrace and got a gig. So there's room at the mike for Tressel.
But if he still has the urge to coach. He better show up whether he falls on the sword or not.
Regardless there'll be a bunch of schools happy to hire him - if the NCAA allows.
Buckeye players keeping rings, but trophies to go
Buckeye players keeping rings, but trophies to go
I missed this earlier. OSU vacates the wins, the bowl game, and the championship BUT the players get to keep their Big 10 and Bowl Rings. The trophies will be REMOVED not returned.
Maybe Gene Smith is thinking there's always appeals ... or maybe they'll forget. We can still show the rings and trophies to next year's recruits. Who's going to remember? Besides in a couple of months the players are going to need a source of cash and with no gold pants any more ...
Ohio State football: Seniors know what they accomplished despite erased record | BuckeyeXtra
Buckeye players keeping rings, but trophies to go
I missed this earlier. OSU vacates the wins, the bowl game, and the championship BUT the players get to keep their Big 10 and Bowl Rings. The trophies will be REMOVED not returned.
Maybe Gene Smith is thinking there's always appeals ... or maybe they'll forget. We can still show the rings and trophies to next year's recruits. Who's going to remember? Besides in a couple of months the players are going to need a source of cash and with no gold pants any more ...
Ohio State football: Seniors know what they accomplished despite erased record | BuckeyeXtra
Not to be rude, but you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
So you're allowed to "speculate" that "maybe" something is shady. If you're speculating, which nearly 95% of what goes on on this board is, then you're already in the "maybe" category.
Speculation definitions:
a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.
b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.
Honestly, out of all the things on this site based on conjecture, and forum members basing OPINIONS on what is known, and drawing conclusions from that, I can't believe you brought out the "Critical Thinking" argument on this. As though my opinion was formed on the basis of, well, nothing.
You need to look no further than the very first post in this thread for an example:
Guess he was "spouting off" in absolutes. That the only reason OSU gave this punishment was to "weasel" out of something heafty. Or, shall we use that "Critical Thinking" and deduce that this was his opinion, and that there may be other reasons for said sanctions?
Edit: I removed the last portion of my response, as it came off as very "smart-aliky" (no clue on the spelling). You are more than welcome to disagree with my opinion, and I'm always up for a good debate as to what the motivating factors may be. But having someone insinuate that you lack "Critical Thinking" because of the way you present your opinion, and be told to discontinue "spouting off" said opinion, well, that I disagree with.
After reading some more, you are correct. I just don't see Tressel coaching again (ANOTHER OPINION, RUN!!!!!!!), so this seems like one more Captain going down with the ship moment.
Apparently the odds are (from the opinions of others I've read) that he'll get the the hefty sanctions and lose the right to appeal if he doesn't show. I doubt it matters much to him at this point, cause I don't think he coaches again.
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My point was that you appeared to be going after Gene Smith, based on nothing. All the facts that are known are that Smith imposed a fine, and then rescinded it. There might be a perfectly good explanation for it. Do you think that's possible?
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They as in the NCAA since he is trying to make the NCAA go soft on the school and are the supposed rumors true saying he had some illegal benefits?
Illegal benefits is an athlete thing. As AD Smith could be in trouble if he knew of Tressel's coverup and kept silent. But I believe the onus is more on the coach as they are certified (written test) on the recruiting rules and regulations and athlete rules and regulations. Tressel reportedly filed an NCAA (annual form) that he wasn't aware of any violations. Tressel also reportedly lied to NCAA investigators AND during the appeal process to get the players eligible for the Bowl Game.
IF Tressel acted alone then Smith was duped (lied to Smith as well). In the early 90's Pat Dye as Auburn resigned as HC and AD before the NCAA made Auburn fired him. It was going to happen. When Alabama got smacked in '95 over Antonio Langham's ineligibility (agent contract) HC Gene Stallings resigned, the AD Hootie Ingrham resigned (pushed out) and I think the Compliance Officer was sacked by the University. In that case the NCAA hit them with Lack of Institutional Control claiming the Adminstration should have know more than they claimed they did.
With Tressel there are emails, phone records, and such documented. I don't recall hearing that about Smith.
Actually it's part of the AD's job to get the NCAA to go soft on his school. That's why schools hire attorney's, ex NCAA staff, and file appeals. Alabama claimed the Langham scandal sanctions cost them over $5 million in lost revenues. IF an AD can negotiate the penalties down he saves his school money.
When ND got socked over Kim Dunbar ('97) President Malloy would not allow the AD to appeal the decision. It was a flimsy technicality where the Investigative Committe voted for No Action but the Infractions Committee Chairman overruled them and arbitraily changed the definition of booster after the fact. It was quite appealable but Monk directed the staff to drop it as the proper thing to do.
I thought the Gee, Smith, Tressel Press Conference ("I hope he doesn't fire me") was unethical but I've not read where it was an NCAA violation. Now if somebody come up with a memo, email, etc between Tressel and Smith and/or Gee that would be a gamechanger.
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What i meant was when SI was supposedly throwing names around in the car situation they mentioned smith.
In the Kim Dunbar incident who was the AD at the time cause the ad's i remember are that MORON white and Mr.Swarbrick
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In all fairness, here.......... there was no car situation. Some media outlets ran a story about car deals, based on only ONE source of information. When it was later discovered that that ONE source was not accurate, then the whole accusation fell apart. But those stories were buried on page 50, not given the same front page attention that the accusations got.
Correction: The only "car situation" surrounded the cars that T. Pryor was "test driving". The other part of it, about the sweetheart deals, turned out to be nothing more than yellow journalism.
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