'12 OH RB William Mahone (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

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Notre Dame has lacked elite speed at running back. With all the talk about how the Irish have lacked speed on defense, it's been a huge problem at running back going back to Julius Jones.

Size, strength, and power are nice, but raw speed will kill teams, especially out of Kelly's spread system.

Not saying we don't need a big bruiser, ideally in a perfect world we could always use someone like that as a third option. But not as a primary runner.
 

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Notre Dame has lacked elite speed at running back. With all the talk about how the Irish have lacked speed on defense, it's been a huge problem at running back going back to Julius Jones.

Size, strength, and power are nice, but raw speed will kill teams, especially out of Kelly's spread system.

Not saying we don't need a big bruiser, ideally in a perfect world we could always use someone like that as a third option. But not as a primary runner.

Close... we need both for a good blend. I would never expect the speed back to get more than 2-to-1 carries over whatever between the tackles guy we add. And maybe not more than 50/50. A two back system is an absolute must.
 

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Not to share too much but his Mom LOVED ND. Mahone himself was shocked to learn about things like our graduation rate, strength of schedule, etc.

If Ohio State keeps their current two RBs I think he ends up Irish. Might be a big battle with PSU though.




good to have mom on board. Cierre, we need you and the O-line to have a big year.
 

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Not to share too much but his Mom LOVED ND. Mahone himself was shocked to learn about things like our graduation rate, strength of schedule, etc.

If Ohio State keeps their current two RBs I think he ends up Irish. Might be a big battle with PSU though.
Excellent news...fingers crossed
 

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Close... we need both for a good blend. I would never expect the speed back to get more than 2-to-1 carries over whatever between the tackles guy we add. And maybe not more than 50/50. A two back system is an absolute must.

I disagree. In the NFL you need power backs to run up the middle, not so much in college.

My point is there shouldn't be equal weight given to speed versus size/strength/power in the college game, like there is in the NFL.

We don't NEED a good blend of power and speed (although it's nice if you can pull it off).

To put it another way, if Notre Dame brings in a "power" back, he'd better be very fast for his size. Speed is always the most important factor.

Look at teams like Oregon, TCU, Auburn all running out of the spread. For the most part they are utilizing smaller 180-200 pound runners who just flat out fly.

It's the same story for tons of other successful rushing teams, most notably those running out of the spread.

It's great if you have someone to run between the tackles and punish some defenders, but what's even better is running for a lot yards and punishing teams on the scoreboard.

Plus, speed guys can be taught to run hard and with power. Case in point...Cierre Wood, who I think is nearly the perfect back for our system. And still...some people are complaining he's not big or strong enough. Whatever.

For every Jerome Bettis, there are 100 little speedy guys doing just as much damage over the years. I think we as a fan base are still holding our breath for the next Bus, but he's not even needed in this system.

Also this discussion highlights why I think McDaniel has a very good opportunity to become the 2nd string back this year.
 

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I disagree. In the NFL you need power backs to run up the middle, not so much in college.

My point is there shouldn't be equal weight given to speed versus size/strength/power in the college game, like there is in the NFL.

We don't NEED a good blend of power and speed (although it's nice if you can pull it off).

To put it another way, if Notre Dame brings in a "power" back, he'd better be very fast for his size. Speed is always the most important factor.

Look at teams like Oregon, TCU, Auburn all running out of the spread. For the most part they are utilizing smaller 180-200 pound runners who just flat out fly.

It's the same story for tons of other successful rushing teams, most notably those running out of the spread.

It's great if you have someone to run between the tackles and punish some defenders, but what's even better is running for a lot yards and punishing teams on the scoreboard.

Plus, speed guys can be taught to run hard and with power. Case in point...Cierre Wood, who I think is nearly the perfect back for our system. And still...some people are complaining he's not big or strong enough. Whatever.

For every Jerome Bettis, there are 100 little speedy guys doing just as much damage over the years. I think we as a fan base are still holding our breath for the next Bus, but he's not even needed in this system.

Also this discussion highlights why I think McDaniel has a very good opportunity to become the 2nd string back this year.

You don't need a power back. I never said that. But you DO need a guy who can run between the tackles. Look at Florida... they have a bunch of really fast RBs but after they lost Tebow the scat back (see: Percy Harvin) isn't nearly as effective because you know the running plays are headed to the outside. Once they put in that crappy dual threat guy their offense got better simply because they had to be ready for a multitude of plays. Auburn had plenty of guys, including Cam Newton, that could get the tough yards and cut it up inside.

And yeah... 2 back systems are a must because the players stay fresh and play better through the course of a season. It's why very few teams use a single back system in the NFL. Hell, even Alabama used one with Richardson and Ingram... and Ingram was a freaking Heisman winner. The only reason teams use a single back system these days is that there is a huge talent drop off to their #2 guy.
 

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I disagree. In the NFL you need power backs to run up the middle, not so much in college.

My point is there shouldn't be equal weight given to speed versus size/strength/power in the college game, like there is in the NFL.

We don't NEED a good blend of power and speed (although it's nice if you can pull it off).

To put it another way, if Notre Dame brings in a "power" back, he'd better be very fast for his size. Speed is always the most important factor.

Look at teams like Oregon, TCU, Auburn all running out of the spread. For the most part they are utilizing smaller 180-200 pound runners who just flat out fly.

It's the same story for tons of other successful rushing teams, most notably those running out of the spread.

It's great if you have someone to run between the tackles and punish some defenders, but what's even better is running for a lot yards and punishing teams on the scoreboard.

Plus, speed guys can be taught to run hard and with power. Case in point...Cierre Wood, who I think is nearly the perfect back for our system. And still...some people are complaining he's not big or strong enough. Wihatever.

For every Jerome Bettis, there are 100 little speedy guys doing just as much damage over the years. I think we as a fan base are still holding our breath for the next Bus, but he's not even needed in this system.

Also this discussion highlights why I think McDaniel has a very good opportunity to become the 2nd string back this year.

I totally agree with every thing you say here and even the McDaniel part. I think he is actually almost the perfect running back for this system: amazing vision and very quick to be able to exploit openings quickly
 

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You don't need a power back. I never said that. But you DO need a guy who can run between the tackles. Look at Florida... they have a bunch of really fast RBs but after they lost Tebow the scat back (see: Percy Harvin) isn't nearly as effective because you know the running plays are headed to the outside. Once they put in that crappy dual threat guy their offense got better simply because they had to be ready for a multitude of plays. Auburn had plenty of guys, including Cam Newton, that could get the tough yards and cut it up inside.

And yeah... 2 back systems are a must because the players stay fresh and play better through the course of a season. It's why very few teams use a single back system in the NFL. Hell, even Alabama used one with Richardson and Ingram... and Ingram was a freaking Heisman winner. The only reason teams use a single back system these days is that there is a huge talent drop off to their #2 guy.

I agree about Florida, but only to a degree.

I think Brantley's. 2,000 yards 9TD-10INT performance was a much bigger reason why Florida's running game stalled a little bit last year.

Nevertheless, they still ran for over 2,000 yards, were 44th in rushing yards per game and 57th in rushing average. Not great, but still pretty good. Demps and Rainey averaged 6 YPC and 7.1 YPC respectively as well. They just didn't get the ball enough!!
 

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He did mention he would like to get his decision out of the way soon, Kelly was not on campus for the visit, hope it does not hurt us. nothing like sitting down face to face with the head man.
 

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I agree about Florida, but only to a degree.

I think Brantley's. 2,000 yards 9TD-10INT performance was a much bigger reason why Florida's running game stalled a little bit last year.

Nevertheless, they still ran for over 2,000 yards, were 44th in rushing yards per game and 57th in rushing average. Not great, but still pretty good. Demps and Rainey averaged 6 YPC and 7.1 YPC respectively as well. They just didn't get the ball enough!!

True. I'll leave it at this:

I expect us to win 10 games and, therefore, get Byron Marshall. I think he's going to be electric and just a smidgen below Keith in terms of ability. BUT... he has some question marks at his ability to run it up inside. Mahone has question marks at his top end speed. Put them together and you have a pretty nasty backfield regardless of down and distance. Projecting 2 years down the road we have nothing but question marks because Atkinson might not stick at RB, McDaniel is a unique creature and who knows in exactly what capacity he will contribute, and Roberson has an injury.

As such, I'd like to take one speed-first guy and one downhill-first guy. I think that's the best way to cover all of our bases. Now, do we need a downhill-first guy who can get tough yards to win? Hell no. The New England Patriots are a great example of how you can scheme your way around personnel shortcomings quite easily. HOWEVER, having one or two of those guys to go with a stable of lightning fast dudes is usually a really good idea.
 

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Lax, I couldn't agree with you more. Hence the reason I'm so high on Mahone. Getting a speed isn't always as hard as finding a true, good, between the tackles guy in the spread offense. I wasn't knocking Keith Marshalls ability when u called me crazy, I just look at what the team "needs" as compared to the "wants". I sure as hell would take either Marshall, however, I feel the team needs a Will Mahone type back.
 
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How did the one two combination at Alabama work out for them?

I realize they run a different style of offense but damn was it hard for those SEC defenses to stop them.
 

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Two. If you count Kenjon Barner. He got about 1/4 the load.

And their dual threat QB.....

EDIT: Just did some research. James had less than 50% of his team's carries. So much for a single back system.
 

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Okay I finally watched the whole video on William and I was seriously impressed.

This kids finds the whole, hits the hole and absolutely takes off. He is deceptively quick with cutbacks and spin moves and has solid hands out of the back.

He is a MUST get in my opinion.
 

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Give me Mahone and a another back (Either Marshall, Mathers, Russell, Harris or even Mangus) and I am extremely excited.

Are you saying, either one of the backs listed OR are you saying, either one of the Marshalls?


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Are you saying, either one of the backs listed OR are you saying, either one of the Marshalls?


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Any of the backs I listed, but they are pretty much listed in the order of my particular wants. Either Marshall is a home run IMO, and Mathers, Harris and Russell are very, very good as well. Mangus would be a nice Theo Riddick type, capable of playing both Slot and a change of pace type back with Mahone.
 

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Any of the backs I listed, but they are pretty much listed in the order of my particular wants. Either Marshall is a home run IMO, and Mathers, Harris and Russell are very, very good as well. Mangus would be a nice Theo Riddick type, capable of playing both Slot and a change of pace type back with Mahone.

Agreed. I'd be more than happy with either Keith or Byron. I think we have a really, really, really good chance with Byron though.
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