'12 MO WR Dorial Green-Beckham (Missouri Commit)

[D-BOE34]

The Tuitt Lynch comparison is pretty thin. Both had mamas with a strong respect for ND. Both had a strong interest in ND at this time last year. Both scheduled OVs early and committed early in the season. Both got intense local pressure to stay "home". Both decommitted from ND and committed elsewhere. One found out he was lied to. One overcame his tether, he lived about an hour from GT. Both reassessed their future, got comfortable with the trip North, and made the decision to come back to ND. One is a very strong student, the other isn't. But neither had the a family member with a serious medical condition as a factor. DGB will have to figure out how that fits into his decision as time goes on.

Yes, ND won the last 4 games but put it in perspective it was not a 11-2, Top 10 finish. And yes , the coaches kept pitching but they did that with a lot of recruits last season who didn't come ND's way at the end.

ND needs to get him to visit this summer like Payton just did. Get the campus, the education, the program into a real prospective. THEN, Crist has to demonstrate on the field that he is a top caliber QB as he was ranked coming out of HS. If he "sees" the field and corrects the under and overthrows this offense will rock. If not Crist then one of the others has to make the jump for QB 1A to Prime Time Starter. ND could go 13-0 but DGB still needs to become comfortable with his family concerns and how he can fit that into his college decision.

BGIF - I hate when you follow my post because you ALWAYS make such valid posts when I may have not expressed my thoughts directly. For a quick second I must say this is why I love the input from IE.

Now, I will say that as far as the Lynch and Tuitt comparison is that we stayed with them. At a point, they felt separated enough to commit elsewhere, but when it came down to it, the fantastic staff at ND showed that we will always care for the well-being of not only the recruit but their family. I know it sounds bad to say, in a way, we "slow play" a recruit such as DGB. I don't think we are necessarily slow playing him and his situation, we are taking our time. HE IS THE TOP RECRUIT IN THE NATION! IT WILL NOT STOP! Not only is he taking his recruiting slow and steady, which I really appreciate. We (in my eyes as well as many other universities) are showing our dignity to give the same. I, personally, think its going to be a sprint in the end. As I have stated before, I walk the same streets he does. If you think it varies from me to him drastically ... you are mistaken. This town is the same. It will stand by every single prospect no matter what the sport.

We have a guy that signed to play at Creighton for basketball. Same conference as MO STATE (HOME TEAM). We have a great pitcher that chose Nebraska over several other Big 12 schools. In the same media we have DGB, he is was closely hyped.

Not enough can be said in all honesty when you break it down. He is going about it the right way and I will be damned if he doesn't give us a look. A large part is because when I came down for college I was a ND fan. When I snagged a job at the mall and the most supported team I saw rep'd on the chest of other, most, Springfieldians was ND ... I couldn't resist anymore than be full go on the IRISH!

BGIF - I agree that DC needs to step up. I think the ONLY team, correct me if im wrong, that can legitimately say to DGB that you have the best chance to step in and play, is us.

"Floyd, big bodied with speed WR, that is an all-american who is leaving ... We don't have any proven WR to step in his place. You can be that guy. If you want to come in and earn your spot, we as coaches will give you every opportunity to do so."

Tap that with the ND .... well nuff said.

.....Get him on campus and we have a chance.....

 

[BGIF]

BGIF - I hate when you follow my post because you ALWAYS make such valid posts when I may have not expressed my thoughts directly. For a quick second I must say this is why I love the input from IE.

Now, I will say that as far as the Lynch and Tuitt comparison is that we stayed with them. At a point they felt separated enough to commit elsewhere, but when it came down to it, the fantastic staff at ND showed that we will always care for the well-being of not only the recruit but their family. I know it sounds bad to say, in a way, we "slow play" a recruit such as DGB. I don't think we are necessarily slow playing him and his situation but yet we are taking our time. HE IS THE TOP RECRUIT IN THE NATION! IT WILL NOT STOP! Not only is he taking his recruiting slow and steady, which I really appreciate, we (in my eyes as well as many other universities) are showing our dignity to give the same. I, personally, think its going to be a sprint in the end. As I have stated before, I walk the same streets he does. If you think it varies from me to him drastically ... you are mistaken. This town is the same. It will stand by every single prospect no matter what the sport.

We have a guy that signed to play at Creighton for basketball. Same conference as MO STATE (HOME TEAM). We have a great pitcher that chose Nebraska over several other Big 12 schools. In the same media we have DGB, he is was closely hyped.

Not enough can be said in all honesty when you break it down. He is going about it the right way and I will be damned if he doesn't give us a look. A large part is because when I came down for college I was a ND fan. When I snagged a job at the mall and the most supported team I saw rep'd on the chest of other, most, Springfieldians was ND ... I couldn't resist anymore than be full go on the IRISH!

BGIF - I agree that DC needs to step up. I think the ONLY team, correct me if im wrong, that can legitimately say to DGB that you have the best chance to step in and play, is us.

"Floyd, big bodied with speed WR, that is an all-american who is leaving ... We don't have any proven WR to step in his place. You can be that guy. If you want to come in and earn your spot, we as coaches will give you every opportunity to do so."

Tap that with the ND .... well nuff said.

.....Get him on campus and we have a chance.....

Solid Floyd sales point! I like it.

One huge difference between the Weis and Kelly style of recruiting, Charlie seemed to take rejection personally. Starting with the WR from Texas when Charlie was hired. The kid wanted Charlie to drop the Patriots playoff prep to come see him. Charlie understandably said, No way, can't do it. When the kid sought attention elsewhere. Charlie dumped him. The quality of that kid isn't the issue. Charlie dropped the kid and had no one in the wings.

In '06 when the #1 kicker, Forbath, in the nation didn't give Charlie a commitment by the start of the season Charlie gave him an ultimatum. Take it or leave it. My way or the highway. He immediately got another kicker, Burkhardt, a day or two later and paid for his fit of pique with adventures in kicking for a couple of years. Burkhart became a kickoff specialist with something like 2 career touchbacks, no FGs, no XPs while Forbath became won the Groza Award at UCLA.

Kelly isn't crawling after recruits on hands and knees but rather he seems to have the successful salesman's grasp of embracing rejection, "Tell me what the objection is and I'll find a way to handle it." Charlie didn't want to hear objections ala Mack Brown but he didn't have the luxury of Mack Brown's deep, backyard recruit pool, UTX admissions policies, nor a decade of double digit annual wins. Kelly isn't going to win all the recruiting battles but he's going to fight for those he thinks are winnable. I don't think Charlie would have been able to bring Lynch and Tuitt back into the fold because I don't think he would have tried. I also believe he would have required Prestwood to walk-on IF he allowed him back at all. Considering the cost of ND tuition and R&B, walking on knocks out most college prospects.

I think Charlie would have been emphatic with DGB's family situation especially considering his own. But he still would have established HIS deadline and essentially said, Pull the trigger now or I have my choice of 3 star WRs I can get immediately. Kelly's going to say, I understand your dilemna. Take your time and we will work with you to find a solution. Come on up to campus when you can and we can discuss it with you and your parents. No near term deadline.

 

[enrico514]

Geat post!

Solid Floyd sales point! I like it.

One huge difference between the Weis and Kelly style of recruiting, Charlie seemed to take rejection personally. Starting with the WR from Texas when Charlie was hired. The kid wanted Charlie to drop the Patriots playoff prep to come see him. Charlie understandably said, No way, can't do it. When the kid sought attention elsewhere. Charlie dumped him. The quality of that kid isn't the issue. Charlie dropped the kid and had no one in the wings.

In '06 when the #1 kicker, Forbath, in the nation didn't give Charlie a commitment by the start of the season Charlie gave him an ultimatum. Take it or leave it. My way or the highway. He immediately got another kicker, Burkhardt, a day or two later and paid for his fit of pique with adventures in kicking for a couple of years. Burkhart became a kickoff specialist with something like 2 career touchbacks, no FGs, no XPs while Forbath became won the Groza Award at UCLA.

Kelly isn't crawling after recruits on hands and knees but rather he seems to have the successful salesman's grasp of embracing rejection, "Tell me what the objection is and I'll find a way to handle it." Charlie didn't want to hear objections ala Mack Brown but he didn't have the luxury of Mack Brown's deep, backyard recruit pool, UTX admissions policies, nor a decade of double digit annual wins. Kelly isn't going to win all the recruiting battles but he's going to fight for those he thinks are winnable. I don't think Charlie would have been able to bring Lynch and Tuitt back into the fold because I don't think he would have tried. I also believe he would have required Prestwood to walk-on IF he allowed him back at all. Considering the cost of ND tuition and R&B, walking on knocks out most college prospects.

I think Charlie would have been emphatic with DGB's family situation especially considering his own. But he still would have established HIS deadline and essentially said, Pull the trigger now or I have my choice of 3 star WRs I can get immediately. Kelly's going to say, I understand your dilemna. Take your time and we will work with you to find a solution. Come on up to campus when you can and we can discuss it with you and your parents. No near term deadline.

 

[D-BOE34]

Solid Floyd sales point! I like it.

One huge difference between the Weis and Kelly style of recruiting, Charlie seemed to take rejection personally. Starting with the WR from Texas when Charlie was hired. The kid wanted Charlie to drop the Patriots playoff prep to come see him. Charlie understandably said, No way, can't do it. When the kid sought attention elsewhere. Charlie dumped him. The quality of that kid isn't the issue. Charlie dropped the kid and had no one in the wings.

In '06 when the #1 kicker, Forbath, in the nation didn't give Charlie a commitment by the start of the season Charlie gave him an ultimatum. Take it or leave it. My way or the highway. He immediately got another kicker, Burkhardt, a day or two later and paid for his fit of pique with adventures in kicking for a couple of years. Burkhart became a kickoff specialist with something like 2 career touchbacks, no FGs, no XPs while Forbath became won the Groza Award at UCLA.

Kelly isn't crawling after recruits on hands and knees but rather he seems to have the successful salesman's grasp of embracing rejection, "Tell me what the objection is and I'll find a way to handle it." Charlie didn't want to hear objections ala Mack Brown but he didn't have the luxury of Mack Brown's deep, backyard recruit pool, UTX admissions policies, nor a decade of double digit annual wins. Kelly isn't going to win all the recruiting battles but he's going to fight for those he thinks are winnable. I don't think Charlie would have been able to bring Lynch and Tuitt back into the fold because I don't think he would have tried. I also believe he would have required Prestwood to walk-on IF he allowed him back at all. Considering the cost of ND tuition and R&B, walking on knocks out most college prospects.

I think Charlie would have been emphatic with DGB's family situation especially considering his own. But he still would have established HIS deadline and essentially said, Pull the trigger now or I have my choice of 3 star WRs I can get immediately. Kelly's going to say, I understand your dilemna. Take your time and we will work with you to find a solution. Come on up to campus when you can and we can discuss it with you and your parents. No near term deadline.

PERFECT!

 

[jason_h537]

Family has said they plan on visiting this summer, but unlike mizzou or OK, it takes some planning because they plan on staying a few days.

Could just be talk but sounds good

 

[Buster Bluth]

Family has said they plan on visiting this summer, but unlike mizzou or OK, it takes some planning because they plan on staying a few days.

Could just be talk but sounds good

That would be incredible.

 

[JayRock]

Don't talk bad about Ryan Burkhart, BGIF.

He went to my high school and I went on his ND OV with him.

 

[ThePiombino]

Family has said they plan on visiting this summer, but unlike mizzou or OK, it takes some planning because they plan on staying a few days.

Could just be talk but sounds good

That would be AMAZING. Getting these kids on campus is half the battle!

 

[Rambler09]

I admire a kid who prioritizes being close to his family. I think that BGIF is correct that if we can convince him that he will slide into Floyd's shoes as our main target as a freshman we'll have a very real shot with him.

If we don't get him, though, who will become our go-to-guy? Daniels? Greenberry?

 

[koonja]

I admire a kid who prioritizes being close to his family. I think that BGIF is correct that if we can convince him that he will slide into Floyd's shoes as our main target as a freshman we'll have a very real shot with him.

If we don't get him, though, who will become our go-to-guy? Daniels? Greenberry?

DGB

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I admire a kid who prioritizes being close to his family. I think that BGIF is correct that if we can convince him that he will slide into Floyd's shoes as our main target as a freshman we'll have a very real shot with him.

If we don't get him, though, who will become our go-to-guy? Daniels? Greenberry?

Don't get me wrong, I would be happy as a pig in sh*t if we somehow pulled a miracle and landed DGB, but I definitely think we have some big time targets lined up for the future. Daniels IMO will be talked about as one of the elite WRs in college football 2 years from now. Couple that with Riddick, T.J. Jones, Greenberry, Fetguson, Farley (who i also think is going to be a good one), and possibility of moving GAIII back to WR if we needed to. We could also end up landing a guy like Treggs, Darboh, Payton, Neal, Gilmore, Brooks or someone else this cycle which gives us plenty of options for somebody to break out of the pack.

Having elite TEs as we do also helps.

All that being said, is anybody else thinking it would be a nice luxury to have Shaq Evans still on the roster right now? he'd be looking at serious PT in a pass happy offense over the next 2 years. I think Shaq is going to regret that decision to transfer at some point.

 

[beryirish]

Floyd broke freshman records at ND and was becoming their go-to-guy up until he got hurt. DGB is the number one recruit on most boards. They don't have to sell to him that he will get a chance for early PT. No matter where he signs he will be playing if not starting. He would jump NDs roster. If Floyd was still on the team next year DGB will be on the other side of the field.

I'm happy they are talking about visiting. If they do visit for a "few days" then huge advantage to ND.

 

[supairishfan]

Sounds like a great kid. Hope we get him. This visit could decide between a championship and a BCS bowl loss.

 

[beryirish]

ESPN Insider

College Football Rumors - Rumor Central - NCAA - ESPN

Recenty went to Texas. So far has visited Texas-OU-Mizzou. Report saying it's looking likely that DGB will stay in the Big 12. ....Time will tell.

 

[Rocket89]

Texas doesn't scare me in his recruitment. Remember Garrett Gilbert is their quarterback and their not really loaded at that position like a program such as Texas probably should be.

Maybe, their new OC turns things around quickly this year, but I think the nation's best receiver is going to stay away from Austin. Texas also doesn't get many out-of-state kids either...just don't see this one happening.

OU and Missouri are another story though.

The rumors here are probably true. We haven't seen much evidence that DGB is going to look anywhere seriously outside the Big 12.

 

[koonja]

Texas doesn't scare me in his recruitment. Remember Garrett Gilbert is their quarterback and their not really loaded at that position like a program such as Texas probably should be.

Maybe, their new OC turns things around quickly this year, but I think the nation's best receiver is going to stay away from Austin. Texas also doesn't get many out-of-state kids either...just don't see this one happening.

OU and Missouri are another story though.

The rumors here are probably true. We haven't seen much evidence that DGB is going to look anywhere seriously outside the Big 12.

I wish he weren't considering OU or TX.Two schools we're going to end up playing in the near future. Go to Mizzou!

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Sounds like a great kid. Hope we get him. This visit could decide between a championship and a BCS bowl loss.

I don't know about that.. little heavy. No doubt he would make the passing game better but we still have major potential in this class.. major.

 

[D-BOE34]

Its still early folks. This is Big 12 country. Mizzou is a couple hours up the road, OU is a few more hours the other way and well Texas is still Texas. Texas and OU are huge in this area. I would have been shocked if these 3 schools weren't in his final 5 or 7. However, he hasn't really branched out a bunch yet. If he has then please correct me but I believe his mother said ND plans on getting a visit this summer. Get him on campus and were a serious contender. As of right now I think we still sit just outside the Big 12 bubble he is in ... for now.

 

[Rocket89]

I wish he weren't considering OU or TX.Two schools we're going to end up playing in the near future. Go to Mizzou!

I know how you feel. I just think Oklahoma is in a much more advantageous position than Texas, but it does suck we play both in the future.

I'd like to see him at Missouri too if he doesn't come to Notre Dame.

 

[supairishfan]

I don't know about that.. little heavy. No doubt he would make the passing game better but we still have major potential in this class.. major.

I did go overboard but he would definitly increase our chances.

 

[D-BOE34]

Word from a very close source ... very very close ... said if DGB went to ND it would be a shame. Apparently he has major issues in the classroom to make it at ND. The suorce wasn't bshing or talking bad she just stated that he would have a better chance to get a degree from a school like MU. He still has a year left in highschool so we will see what happens.

She did say it was very unlikely he would even be able to get into ND. I thought we didn't offer unless they could. Someone correct me on this please!


P.S. It ruined my day...

 

[IrishInFl]

Word from a very close source ... very very close ... said if DGB went to ND it would be a shame. Apparently he has major issues in the classroom to make it at ND. The suorce wasn't bshing or talking bad she just stated that he would have a better chance to get a degree from a school like MU. He still has a year left in highschool so we will see what happens.

She did say it was very unlikely he would even be able to get into ND. I thought we didn't offer unless they could. Someone correct me on this please!


P.S. It ruined my day...

That's what was said about Lynch, so who cares what she says.

 

[GBdomer]

First i am hearing about this. Dorial doesn't talk to reporter's so no one knows where ND stands. Mizzou, OU, and Bama battle IMO.

 

[ACamp1900]

Word from a very close source ... very very close ... said if DGB went to ND it would be a shame. Apparently he has major issues in the classroom to make it at ND. The suorce wasn't bshing or talking bad she just stated that he would have a better chance to get a degree from a school like MU. He still has a year left in highschool so we will see what happens.

She did say it was very unlikely he would even be able to get into ND. I thought we didn't offer unless they could. Someone correct me on this please!


P.S. It ruined my day...

over the years my Cat Timon has shown an uncanny ability to expose info that won't pan out by spitting up on the floor while I read certain info... and he just hacked up a lung...

 

[IrishInFl]

over the years my Cat Timon has shown an uncanny ability to expose info that won't pan out by spitting up on the floor while I read certain info... and he just hacked up a lung...

It's good to be king. eh?

 

[peredonov]

Word from a very close source ... very very close ... said if DGB went to ND it would be a shame. Apparently he has major issues in the classroom to make it at ND. The suorce wasn't bshing or talking bad she just stated that he would have a better chance to get a degree from a school like MU. He still has a year left in highschool so we will see what happens.

She did say it was very unlikely he would even be able to get into ND. I thought we didn't offer unless they could. Someone correct me on this please!


P.S. It ruined my day...

If it ain't broke, then don't fix it. This is the same old and tired negative recruiting propaganda against ND that every program uses. A "very close source" that originated from MU's football recruiting offices no doubt.

Holtz (Cerrato) was able to counter it and so will Kelly. By the way, ND's football players average ACT and SATs are well below the school's average. Well well below. There will be no problem getting a football player into ND b/c of grades unless there are (i hate this term) character issues. RKG's don't have to be on the honor roll.

By the way, both my wife and I are at ND right now, grad school, and don't think it's any more difficult than any other good school. Getting in is the hard part. If you run a 4.3 40yrd-dash and work in the classroom, you'll get in.

 

[D-BOE34]

If it ain't broke, then don't fix it. This is the same old and tired negative recruiting propaganda against ND that every program uses. A "very close source" that originated from MU's football recruiting offices no doubt.

Holtz (Cerrato) was able to counter it and so will Kelly. By the way, ND's football players average ACT and SATs are well below the school's average. Well well below. There will be no problem getting a football player into ND b/c of grades unless there are (i hate this term) character issues. RKG's don't have to be on the honor roll.

By the way, both my wife and I are at ND right now, grad school, and don't think it's any more difficult than any other good school. Getting in is the hard part. If you run a 4.3 40yrd-dash and work in the classroom, you'll get in.

This "very close source" is a customer of mine and she spends every Mon-Fri with him. Ill stop there.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Does a teacher really understand the process for getting football players into school? Doesn't seem like their department. Even if she isn't rumor-mongering and is actually just trying to pass along what she feels is honest info, her viewpoint is probably based on her understanding of the admissions standards for a non-football-playing applicant.

For the record, I'm not even saying that admissions makes major exceptions for athletes; I believe admissions offices are justified in considering all of the talents of an applicant in making their decision, and uncommonly good athletic talents should help an applicant's chances at being accepted.

 

[D-BOE34]

I figured with our grad rates we have some pretty darn good support for athletes. To think that every kid is a golde egg in the classroom is not realistic. I just hope people like this aren't in his ear giving him the wrong idea.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I figured with our grad rates we have some pretty darn good support for athletes. To think that every kid is a golde egg in the classroom is not realistic. I just hope people like this aren't in his ear giving him the wrong idea.

That's exactly it. Assuming a recruit is literate and doesn't have a learning disability, I think the vast majority of football players can succeed at ND if they're willing to work hard. The academic support available to them is staggering.

They can get a tutor to show up for them at 3 am.