'12 FL WR Justin Ferguson (Western Michigan Transfer)

[BeauBenken]

Knowing how to create seperation > your 40 time

I know this because I whooped butt in one on one's as a wideout but I'm a short, slow white guy. And I learned a lot of my stuff from watching Rice.

I'm just saying so please don't try to drag me into some large 40 time debate.
I'll say that a DBs 40 time means a lot more to me though.

 

[jason_h537]

Honestly don't know much about Ferguson but glad to have him. Welcome aboard

 

[Irish To The Core]

So there is obviously a difference of opinion on Justin Ferguson. I would suggest we defer to the coaches on this one. I don't know how fast he is but he certainly gets separation, so I think the point is moot.

 

[BGIF]

Knowing how to create seperation > your 40 time
I know this because I whooped butt in one on one's as a wideout but I'm a short, slow white guy. And I learned a lot of my stuff from watching Rice.

I'm just saying so please don't try to drag me into some large 40 time debate.
I'll say that a DBs 40 time means a lot more to me though.

Agreed, but it's still helps when you run like a WR and not a TE. Ron Powlus and TE Pete Chryplewicz were clocked in the 40 with the time EliteScout noted here for Ferguson.

I can't tell a 4.5 from a 4.6 but it's obvious he's doesn't run like Rocket nor lumber like Powlus.

Some of the things that wasn't noted with the brief report and perhaps what kuenja was after:
was the time hand held or electronic
at a combine or a team practice
was it one run, the best of three, or average
was it run last week or when he was a sophomore


EliteScouting.com does have a an October 7, 2010 article on Ferguson.

http://elitescoutingservices.com/2010/10/07/under-the-radar-justin-ferguson/

His strengths were posted earlier in this thread by another poster. Here's what he needs to work on:

Ferguson needs to improve his deep speed. He runs well but his top end speed is not near what it needs to be. He has the ability to get by defenders. We would like to see him pull away from defenders more. His down field blocking could always improve as well. From a talent standpoint there is not a ton not to like.

From that report separation isn't a problem. He needs to a top gear.

He's built like Bobby Brown. IF he plays like him, he's a steal. Chances are under Kelly, he'll get a lot better coaching than Brown got under Davie. And a lot better play calling.

 

[bert2834]

Agreed, but it's still helps when you run like a WR and not a TE. Ron Powlus and TE Pete Chryplewicz were clocked in the 40 with the time EliteScout noted here for Ferguson.

I can't tell a 4.5 from a 4.6 but it's obvious he's doesn't run like Rocket nor lumber like Powlus.

Some of the things that wasn't noted with the brief report and perhaps what kuenja was after:
was the time hand held or electronic
at a combine or a team practice
was it one run, the best of three, or average
was it run last week or when he was a sophomore


EliteScouting.com does have a an October 7, 2019 article on Ferguson.

http://elitescoutingservices.com/2010/10/07/under-the-radar-justin-ferguson/

His strengths were posted earlier in this thread by another poster. Here's what he needs to work on:




From that report separation isn't a problem. He needs to a top gear.

He's built like Bobby Brown. IF he plays like him, he's a steal. Chances are under Kelly, he'll get a lot better coaching than Brown got under Davie. And a lot better play calling.

I would imagine you mean 2009! LOL

 

[BGIF]

I would imagine you mean 2009! LOL

Actually it's a 2010 article. Thanks for the catch!

Mea culpa. I'll correct my original post when I fire up the laptop after some sleep. Corrections on the iPad are a challenge.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Agreed, but it's still helps when you run like a WR and not a TE. Ron Powlus and TE Pete Chryplewicz were clocked in the 40 with the time EliteScout noted here for Ferguson.

I can't tell a 4.5 from a 4.6 but it's obvious he's doesn't run like Rocket nor lumber like Powlus.

Some of the things that wasn't noted with the brief report and perhaps what kuenja was after:
was the time hand held or electronic
at a combine or a team practice
was it one run, the best of three, or average
was it run last week or when he was a sophomore


EliteScouting.com does have a an October 7, 2019 article on Ferguson.

http://elitescoutingservices.com/2010/10/07/under-the-radar-justin-ferguson/

His strengths were posted earlier in this thread by another poster. Here's what he needs to work on:




From that report separation isn't a problem. He needs to a top gear.

He's built like Bobby Brown. IF he plays like him, he's a steal. Chances are under Kelly, he'll get a lot better coaching than Brown got under Davie. And a lot better play calling.

I liked Bobby Brown. If he is Bobby Brown with better coaching and a pass oriented offense I'm down.

 

[Riddickulous]

I liked Bobby Brown. If he is Bobby Brown with better coaching and a pass oriented offense I'm down.

We just need this year's Malcolm Johnson to complement him.

 

[rtrn2glory]

the more i marinate on this one i begin to like it more and more...yes, speed is VERY important in the game today, but you cannot undermind how important it is to have those big strong guys who can go across the middle and flat out catch the ball.

The Shark had a pretty good career here without being blessed with superior speed or quickness, but he knew how to get open and catch the ball.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Floyd is not a burner and the guy can take over a game. I'll take better route running and overall awareness over 2 tenths on a 40 time any day.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

We just need this year's Malcolm Johnson to complement him.

Haha yes!

 

[rtrn2glory]

Floyd is not a burner and the guy can take over a game. I'll take better route running and overall awareness over 2 tenths on a 40 time any day.

i would agree with you most days, depends on who else you got on the roster...it's always nice to have that one guy or two that can flat out out take it to the house every time he touches it.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Floyd is not a burner and the guy can take over a game. I'll take better route running and overall awareness over 2 tenths on a 40 time any day.

Anquan Boldin ran a 4.7, Darrius Heyward-Bey ran a 4.3


*I think we all know how that turned out........

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Bobby Engram not very fast and Deon Butler kid from PSU was fast and not a standout NFL receiver while Bobby was.

How Fast was Steve Largent?

Wes Welker?

Colston? Steve Johnson? Miles Austin?

Good hands, smart, good route runner, decent speed you can be successful.

 

[PLACforever]

Can we get this guy on our commit list por favor?

 

[johnnykillz]

Can we get this guy on our commit list por favor?

^

Yup.

Phammer has the authority. Apparently, no other mods can. Probably due to editing and HTML issues concerning rights/privileges...

 

[koonja]

Bobby Engram not very fast and Deon Butler kid from PSU was fast and not a standout NFL receiver while Bobby was.

How Fast was Steve Largent?

Wes Welker?

Colston? Steve Johnson? Miles Austin?

Good hands, smart, good route runner, decent speed you can be successful.

Let's pump the breaks here. There are exceptions to everthing but let's not make them the rule. I like my WR's to be fast.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

i would just like to see his name on the commit list

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish Man3
The difference in a 4.5 and a 4.6 is NOT two steps (unless you want to be technical and call it a 4.50 and a 4.69). The difference in a 4.5 and a 4.6 is something as simple as not dipping your head and shoulders forward as you cross the finish line. Your a little off on your assessment here.

I don't know who your source is, but according to the annoying guy on sports science, the difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 (.1 second) can be as many as two strides.

I'm skeptical, but props to you for at least having a source.

We know distance (40 yards) and time (4.4 or 4.5) so we can easily calculate speed (9.09 or 8.88 yards/sec). So the 4.4 guy is running 0.21 yards/sec faster than the 4.5 guy; which means he covers an extra 0.21 yards in 1 second, and an extra .021 yards in .1 second-- which is about 3/4 of an inch.

Now I don't know how long your legs are, but for 3/4'' to be 1-2 strides would require an extremely short WR.

DISCLAIMER: I have no formal training in the math used above beyond high school, so I accept that my calculation may be spectacularly wrong.

Your math was good till the end. There is a foot or so distance. The next question that should be investigated on this thread is “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”

Speaking of pin heads, what makes anyone think that BK and staff wouldn’t have fully evaluated a prospect? I mean with guys like Moore, Shembo, Spond, Heggie, Sdhwenke, Nickols, etc., etc., turning out the way they are? Like anyone at this sight, particularly at this thread has a fraction of the talent of the ND coaching staff?

On a different note; back in the day when I played, and they did use stone shoes then, I had the slowest 40 of any starter. But nobody could beat me in 5 or 10 yards. We had one guy that was a 4.3 something forty, which was unheard of then, that could tie me, some of the time. I could change direction faster than anyone. Never slowed down; no one could cover me. I didn’t slow down with a man on my back either. In fact, when I was in the service I was the fastest they ever saw in the fat man relay. (Remind me to explain to you sometime why you don’t ever want to prove that you can carry a lot of weight quickly, over long distances in the military. But that is another story . . .)

To review. All the Florida schools like him, BK and staff like him, a self-professed expert (with what to gain) does not, and pinheads are debating how many strides a sprinter takes with each leg in a forty-yard-dash . . . Yep, welcome Justin, you have a potential All-American career ahead of you at Notre Dame!!!!

 

[Jason Pham]

My bad, folks. Just updated the front page. It's been a rough week of prep for finals (and not the most leisurely way to end my time here at ND.)

 

[johnnykillz]

Grats on finishing Phammer. Bless ya sir.

 

[Ironman8]

Alabama just offered.

 

[NDPhilly]

Alabama just offered.

so we should be expecting his ranking to skyrocket?

 

[ryno 24]

I think he is still committed isnt he

 

[jerboski]

Hope we keep him away from the dogs(SEC)

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I think he is still committed isnt he

Yes, recruiting a kid doesn't stop after a verbal though.

 

[GBdomer]

Bama, Notre Dame, Florida, Florida State all offered. And everyone is worried about this kids speed? I am just happy he our's.

 

[beryirish]

I think he will stick it out and give ND his LOI. The main schools around him offered and it didn't phase him. Just have to lock it down with a strong offensive performance to squash any doubts.

 

[KPENN]

Bama, Notre Dame, Florida, Florida State all offered. And everyone is worried about this kids speed? I am just happy he our's.

What's sad is a lot of people(not necessarily on this board) will need more offers as sort of a form of validation

 

[GBdomer]

My comment was aiming to anyone on this board. Just people in general who doubted this kid.