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Couple tweets from Brian Smith really highlight the difference between Weis picking up Willingham's pieces and where we are at now.

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Thinkin back to my freshman year. We were in over our heads. We just graduated high-school and they threw us in the game to lead the team...

.... Me, @K_Neal56, @ArmandoAllenJr, @IWilliams95, @JimmyClausen, @ShowtimeTate was in there goin against some dogs and we were 18!!

Hopefully it is not just spring optimism on my part, but the simple fact that we have more than competent, veteran depth at almost every position puts us in an exponentially better position than we have been in quite a while. This is my #1 reason for excitement this spring.
 

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This is my #1 reason for excrement!

I kid, I kid!

No, really though. Things look night-and-day different from 2007. Those guys really were thrown under the bus. SO excited to see things finally looking RIGHT for the first time since Lou was leading the boys.
 

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Especially on the lines. Just knowing KLM and EJ have Kona, Hafis, Aaron and Stephon backing them up is exciting. NT has options too but Nix is gonna blow up I think.
 

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Weis never knew how to lead a team. Kelly has already had success doing so at two different schools.
 

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Couple tweets from Brian Smith really highlight the difference between Weis picking up Willingham's pieces and where we are at now.



Hopefully it is not just spring optimism on my part, but the simple fact that we have more than competent, veteran depth at almost every position puts us in an exponentially better position than we have been in quite a while. This is my #1 reason for excitement this spring.

Spot on Ironman, the tweet is about young men being pressed into service early because of a lack of talent and player leadership not because of a lack of coaching leadership. In '97 Joey Getherall was the first true freshman to start in on an Opening Day is a couple of decades. Over the next few years more and more freshman saw early PT and not just at the skill positions but also in the beef positions. Ryan Harris was playing RT at 260 pounds in an era of 300 pouinders. Players like Dorsey Levens weren't transferring out because they couldn't crack the depth chart, they wasn't much of a depth chart.

The deciline is talent started with Vinny Cerrato's last recruiting class in 1990. It showed dramatically in '94. The last few Holtz years didn't have the depth that the Cerrato classes did. Davie got Leaked at QB which started a QB crisis hat has continued for most of the past 15 years. Willingham left holes all over.

Take a look at the size of the guys Smith mentions, himself, Neal, Allen, Ian Williams , Clausen, and Tate. Williams was the only one with Div 1 size at his position. Weighing 294 he had the size but not the strength of the 21 and 22 year old OLs he battled with. Clausen was actually older but he was pressed into service despite recovering from throwing arm surgery. He was tossed around like a rag doll behind a porous OLine and RBs that hadn't learned how to pick up a blitz. Tate had immense athletic talent but was converted to a "skill" position WR from HS RB and he lacked the skill to run anything but a fly pattern.

It's been a long time since we were so deep at so many positions and we're still not back to the depth that made a Dorsey Levens transfer but we're getting close. That is a reason for optimism.
 
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Spot on Ironman, the tweet is about young men being pressed into service early because of a lack of talent and player leadership not because of a lack of coaching leadership. In '07 Joey Getherall was the first true freshman to start in on an Opening Day is a couple of decades. Over the next few years more and more freshman saw early PT and not just at the skill positions but also in the beef positions. Ryan Harris was playing RT at 260 pounds in an era of 300 pouinders. Players like Dorsey Levens weren't transferring out because they couldn't crack the depth chart, they wasn't much of a depth chart.

The deciline is talent started with Vinny Cerrato's last recruiting class in 1990. It showed dramatically in '94. The last few Holtz years didn't have the depth that the Cerrato classes did. Davie got Leaked at QB which started a QB crisis hat has continued for most of the past 15 years. Willingham left holes all over.

Take a look at the size of the guys Smith mentions, himself, Neal, Allen, Ian Williams , Clausen, and Tate. Williams was the only one with Div 1 size at his position. Weighing 294 he had the size but not the strength of the 21 and 22 year old OLs he battled with. Clausen was actually older but he was pressed into service despite recovering from throwing arm surgery. He was tossed around like a rag doll behind a porous OLine and RBs that hadn't learned how to pick up a blitz. Tate had immense athletic talent but was converted to a "skill" position WR from HS RB and he lacked the skill to run anything but a fly pattern.

It's been a long time since we were so deep at so many positions and we're still not back to the depth that made a Dorsey Levens transfer but we're getting close. That is a reason for optimism.

not a huge point but I think you mean 1997 not 2007, I still remember the punt he returned for a touchdown against Nebraska in 2000. Along with Julius Jone's KO return
 

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not a huge point but I think you mean 1997 not 2007, I still remember the punt he returned for a touchdown against Nebraska in 2000. Along with Julius Jone's KO return

It was '97 (I was at that game against GT) my fat finger hit the "0" instead of the "9". Mea culpa and thanks military irish for the catch.
 

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It was '97 (I was at that game against GT) my fat finger hit the "0" instead of the "9". Mea culpa and thanks military irish for the catch.

'97 was a bad year. I believe we started out 1-4, then recovered and finished 7-5, finishing with a win over LSU. Then we played them in the Independence Bowl and got beat pretty badly.
 

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'97 was a bad year. I believe we started out 1-4, then recovered and finished 7-5, finishing with a win over LSU. Then we played them in the Independence Bowl and got beat pretty badly.

Remember the LSU game the previous year when Jerious Jackson hurt his knee trying to run the clock out in the end zone? That was awful, especially with how bad Battle and (forget who else) threw like 6 INTs against U$C the next week.
 

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Remember the LSU game the previous year when Jerious Jackson hurt his knee trying to run the clock out in the end zone? That was awful, especially with how bad Battle and (forget who else) threw like 6 INTs against U$C the next week.
They had to take off the redshirt on Battle to play in that USC game.
 

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Remember the LSU game the previous year when Jerious Jackson hurt his knee trying to run the clock out in the end zone? That was awful, especially with how bad Battle and (forget who else) threw like 6 INTs against U$C the next week.

I believe that was in '98, the year after. The injury probably cost the Irish a BCS bid.

'98 was a pretty nice year with some highs and some serious lows. We stomped #5 Michigan 36-20, but by halftime of the next week's Michigan State game, we were down 42-3.
 

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I believe that was in '98, the year after. The injury probably cost the Irish a BCS bid.

'98 was a pretty nice year with some highs and some serious lows. We stomped #5 Michigan 36-20, but by halftime of the next week's Michigan State game, we were down 42-3.
I remember that Mich St. game. That was a night game and everything that could go wrong did go wrong in that game.
 

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It was '97 (I was at that game against GT) my fat finger hit the "0" instead of the "9". Mea culpa and thanks military irish for the catch.

I always knew you were a fatty... lol

I kid...


anyway, yeah, in this regard (experience and upper leadership) we are much better off... hopefully it will translate.
 
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I always knew you were a fatty... lol

I kid...


anyway, yeah, in this regard (experience and upper leadership) we are much better off... hopefully it will translate.

For you ACamp:

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I can't believe you bought reps, and posts...
 
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ACamp1900

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For you ACamp:

****_head.jpg


I can't believe you bought reps, and posts...

lol... the Goshen v Camper stuff was great... you had to be there... it was all for fun.
 

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For you ACamp:

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I can't believe you bought reps, and posts...

Looks like Cee-Lo Green.
 

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B Smith has a point, this team now is much deeper. I always liked brian smith even if he wasn't the most consistent player. Lets just hope this depth produces many wins over the next 6 years
 

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Sounds like Q&A at a Tressel press conference.

That picture looks like TerryTate to me...

and I would never get caught in a sweeter vest... nor would I ever attend a suckeye press conference... I'll say that much right now... ;)
 
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This is why I think Lynch, Ishaq, and Tuitt won't be playing a lot as freshmen. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them, probably Tuitt, got redshirted. Give them a year to develop. 2012 will be our year anyway!
 
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