Back to the option plays?

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just thinking since the last time we won the national championship we ran the option and we had a killer defense 88... we need to bring it back with dayne and tommy backups and a option qb starter everett golson..
think about it option to either cam, riddick, wood or keep it, then you still have the spread offense so you can pull it down and hit floyd/cam/riddick/wood deep.. with the new defense i think this would be the winning formula.. we could switch to running to passing qbs in the game/season..
 

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Well...this just isn't going to happen.

Kelly has his system...There may be some option plays in it...but Dame under Kelly will not be running an option based offense.

The shotgun read option is about as extreme as it's gonna get on the option front.
 

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Kelly has the "2011" option system. The spread had option components derived from the wishbone. Its what everyone is running in high school and college
 

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Kelly's stated before that he wants his offense to be more like Oregon, so we'll probably see some zone read with Golson sometime in the next couple of years.
 

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Since when did Golson become an option QB?

Last I checked he could scramble, but he was no Tony Rice.
 

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just thinking since the last time we won the national championship we ran the option and we had a killer defense 88... we need to bring it back with dayne and tommy backups and a option qb starter everett golson..
think about it option to either cam, riddick, wood or keep it, then you still have the spread offense so you can pull it down and hit floyd/cam/riddick/wood deep.. with the new defense i think this would be the winning formula.. we could switch to running to passing qbs in the game/season..

If you remember '88 you'll remember an offense that was deep in RBs and OLs, Vinny Cerrtato's RBs and OLs. His talent was so deep that Dorsey Levens left ND after a couple of years because he couldn't get PT with guys like Rice, Mirer, Johnson, Culver, Bettis, Watters, Ismail, The Brooks Brothers, et al sharing the carries. The OL was just as deep with Heck, Grunhard, Heldt, Ryan, Brown, Jurkovic, McGuire, Taylor, Ruddy, et al. Holtz had a stable of OLs and RBs to POUND, POUND, POUND. When defenses stuffed the box he threw a pass - vertically.

When Cerrato's last recruiting classs left after the '93 season, Holtz option attack lacked the material to POUND, POUND, POUND. Holtz had already made the decision to move to a passing attack as given enough time to prepare for the Option Attack good teams stopped it. Mirer was more a passer than Rice. Powlus was to be the heart of Hotlz new offense. But ND lacked the skilled receivers to make a passing attack go AND the OLs were road graders recruited for a pure running attack.

OL Coach Moore fought Holtz's revised attack claiiming that OLines can either run block or pass block but they can't dominate at both. Given the NCAA limit of 20 hours of practice time he had a point. Holtz early OLs were effective road graders. The transition to pass blockers was painful. And it stayed that way when Davie tried to do both. Willingham's Olines didn't seem to be effective at either. See Weis for a more recent example of not being able to do both well.

When Holtz went to South Carolina he didn't install the Option Attack. He had moved on. So did OU, NU and other Option Attack teams with the primary exception of the service academies. The game had moved on. If I recall correctly most if not all struggled making the transition.

An occasional Option play can work well because it's unexpected. A diet of switching QBs to run two different types of offense negates the element of suprise and requires your OLine to be able to both well.

Add to that Crist has been lost to knee surgery in back to back seasons. Is he really a viable running QB at this point?

Mike Ragone was a fabulous TE before undering two knee operations. Melvin Dansby was a gifted DE before two knee surgeries. All three have talent, all three have heart.

I like the flexibility that Kelly's offense showed at UC with QBs with different skill sets but he did that, I believe, within the framework of his system not with mixing offensive schemes like Holtz's '88 Option Attack.
 
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^ I agree fully; excellent post.
The "option" in Kelly's attack works best when the DBs and LBs are out chasing receivers. Then you often have one defensive player trying to handle the QB and a RB.
The QB needs to be able to run for the offense to be fully productive. Ohio State in their bowl game won for this precise reason. Tressel's attack is based on this (now).
 

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Since when did Golson become an option QB?

Last I checked he could scramble, but he was no Tony Rice.

YouTube - Everett Golson Senior Season Highlights

watch him for a minute look at this first play kelly style keep them honest then a Tony Rice style if i've ever seen it 2nd play.... patience to let the plat develop scramble ability and a good arm just like Tony Rice

now watch this i loved watching it can't wait for the irish to be top dogs again. tony rice looks just like everett golson..
YouTube - 1988: ND vs. West Virginia
 

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i agree we shouldn't have ran dayne that much i love that guy met hime on my first trip to ND on mine and his birthday 10/9/10.. i just think the players to fit the mold ar there especially with riddick ,wood, cam, atkinson bros, floyd,tyler, god we have such a great offense to work with and the defense like lynch said are going to be BEASTS go IRISH..
 

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How about the 23 national champions since then who DIDNT run the option...

Not that I agree that we should run the option, but Nebraska ran the option when they won their last national title. So that is at least one team in the last 23.
 
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No. Spread offense is the way to win in today's college football. Look at the teams in the recent championship games: Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Oregon. All run versions of the spread. Alabama is the only exception but it's easy to win when you have an NFL defense.
 

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i i just think the players to fit the mold ar there especially with riddick ,wood, cam, atkinson bros, floyd,tyler,

1. Riddick and Wood are not guys I want to be carrying the ball 20 times a game. And neither one of them has shown me enough to even think about putting them into an option offense. Riddick might be decent in the option, but I don't think many coaches would consider him to be anywhere near an ideal option tailback.

2. Cam who? Roberson? How many carries did he get this past year? McDaniel? He's a 3star guy who isn't even ranked at his position; hardly the kind of guy you change your offense to suit. Neither of the Atkinsons has played a single down of college football yet.

3. I'm tired of hearing about what studs we have in the backfield. Bottom line is that ND's tailbacks have been pretty average, for a long time. The last truly dynamic tailback that ND had was probably Julius Jones. Remember when Armando Allen was going to be great? Remember when Robert Hughes was going to be great? Remember when James Aldridge was going to be a great combination of speed and power? Get off of the Kool Aid, people. Our running game is good, at best. It's been only good, or worse, for a decade, and it's unlikely that anyone currently on the roster is going to significantly raise that bar.
 

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If you have an elite defense you do not need an elite offense to win a championship. The same cannot be said of the reverse. Time and time again it is proven that you need to stop the run and run the ball in order to win consistently.
 

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If you have an elite defense you do not need an elite offense to win a championship. The same cannot be said of the reverse. Time and time again it is proven that you need to stop the run and run the ball in order to win consistently.

I agree. Look at Notre Dame's late turnaround last year. We beat some good teams by playing shutdown defense. We were far from having an elite offense.

I also agree with kmoose. We haven't seen a game changing runningback at Notre Dame in awhile. I don't think we have one on the roster that requires changing an offense for. Defenses now are way to fast to run east and west on. Also, your not going to bring in elite talent by running the option. Kids now don't want to have 13-7 games. Kids look at high powered and explosive offenses. The option is not a large part of college football anymore. Just my opinion.
 

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If you have an elite defense you do not need an elite offense to win a championship. The same cannot be said of the reverse. Time and time again it is proven that you need to stop the run and run the ball in order to win consistently.

Auburn's defense was pretty average (at best) last season.
 

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not in 88 look at the score our offense has to outscore.. a great defense is not enough you need both..

The 88 defense gave up 13 points a game! Not exactly "shut down", but certainly good. And when you consider they played 4 Top 10 teams, including #s 1, 2, and 3; that's a pretty solid season, defensively.
 

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I love me some option but the personnel the Irish have, are not suited to run a typical option. You need an OL like Wisconsin, a QB like Nesbitt from GT and running backs like Alabama's Ingram and Richardson.
 

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Can we stop with the option crap yet? haha
We will not be running an option based offense.
Yes, there will be some read option plays...maybe even some option stuff we haven't seen before.

I don't want us to look like Navy or GTs offenses...
We wanna see the big plays...fireworks.

Anything that takes away from big Mike Floyd's catch total is not something I want to see!

Face it...we're a pass based spread offense.
It's what Kelly does.

Fire up NCAA 11 on your xbox or ps3 if you want to use an option with ND.
I use a brutal no huddle power option on there...works great in a video game...but it's not gonna work for the Irish in reality.
 

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Well, no one has mentioned it...but we don't have any fullbacks either. Kinda need those in the option offense, right? Anyway, it's not a great fit for today's game and for Notre Dame. Does Dorial Green-Beckham want to come to ND when we run the triple option?

But I would also say that we have some really good running backs on our team right now, just ones that don't fit the option.

While I'd agree with kmoose that our running game has been pretty average (or worse) for a long time, I still think Cierre Wood will be the best runner since Julius Jones, maybe even better. Plus, you have to like what the coaches have to say about Roberson too.

I never thought Allen, Hughes or Aldridge were that great. In fact, I've repeatedly claimed they were a reason (maybe not a major one, but still) for our lack of running game success in the recent past. Just all around...not very explosive or dynamic...it's the truth right?

Cierre Wood just put up 603 yards on 119 attempts (5.1 average) with 3 TD's as a redshirt freshman.

If you remember Jones made a "big splash" as the primary backup as a true freshman in 1999 and put up 375 yards on 75 carries (5.0 average) with 3 TD's.

Jones had the disadvantage (Wood being a year older) of playing right away, but the numbers are comparable.

But we also forget that Jones put together rather sub-par sophomore and junior seasons...especially in relation to how we view him as the most dynamic back of the past 10-15 years.

In 2002 when he was in Arizona getting his life back together, Jones had rushed for 1,750 yards and 16TD's through three seasons at Notre Dame. His 4.32 yards per carry average wasn't anything special, and in reality...he was very similar to Armando Allen in this regard.

What really sealed the deal for Jones was his monster 2003 season when he came back (1,268 yards, 10 TD, 5.5 YPC), but up until that point he wasn't really great was he?

Which brings me back to my point. Jones and Wood both had very promising freshman seasons. I don't think Wood will ever get 230 carries in order to reach nearly 1,300 yards rushing, but I also don't think he's going to have back-to-back seasons of 4.3 and 4.1 yards-per-carry averages either.

In fact, I'd bet Wood gets to 5.5 YPC (where Jones was as a 22 year old post-suspension) if not next year, then the year after. And then, we'll have to rearrange how we talk about the best running backs in recent years.
 
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