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Who said he would be playing center?!
'11 GA LS Bryce Haynes (OSU Verbal)
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Who said he would be playing center?!
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Longo can build him up
He'd "only" need about 50 more pounds or so to be a L.S. He'd have to add another 50 to play center.
Longo would have to build ankles, knees, hips, among other things.
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All this commentary about his size has got to be felderkarb. Kelly knows how big he is and has no problems with him coming on the field to long snap and get out of the way during his one free count when he can't be hit by rule. There's a reason why the snapper is often the first guy down on punt coverage [when the gunners are blocked]. He's not getting blocked at the line of scrimmage at all.
He could be a once in a lifetime LS but despite your putdown, he's still listed at 185. Until shown differently he's at least 50 pounds underweight for a Div 1 LS and 100 pounds underweight for a "small" center. That is germane conservation.
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You know what I mean. Sorry.... long snapper. There isnt much of a difference. Either way, he will have to line up on the line and right now... he weighs 185 pounds.
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they already have 1 in place.
The existing rule provides protection to the LS when he has his head and shoulders down, and his extended on his snap follow through - for all of 1 second. After one second that big DL in front of him can lower the boom.
At his current 185 pounds visualize a DL hitting a CB like Lo Wood or Gary Gray. And consider his 185 pounds is spread over a 6-4 frame not 5-10 to 6-0 like a CB.
At 215 it's like hitting a Safety who's in the down position. Think of Nate Montana or 6-2 215 Harrison Smith lined up againt Ian Willams.
IF that LS gets his weight up to 245, visualize Te'o doing the snapping. Much better but sill a hugh mismatch.
Picture youself at 6-4, 185 (OK add 30 Longo pounds in the off season to 215). The holder calls "SET" you peek to your right and there's a Louis Nix size NG at 350. You peek left and there's a Ian Williams type at 305. And your hoping the "little" guy hits you. Six or ten times a game. Manti would take a pounding snapping at 245.
Cowart was thin this past season at 215 (listed). This young man is a rail.
The touching on playing center is also germaine albeit for a different reason. Kelly likes flexible players, OLs that can play G or T, RBs and WRs with the potential to play DB or vice versa. The NCAA limits the number of players on the travelling squad. If you take 3 kickers (punts, KOs, and FG's) add a holder, LS, and that different dimension QB that will cross up the defense, you've got to leave 4 or 5 backup OLs, DBs, and DLs home.
A 245 HS TE like Niklas can grow to 290 or 300 and maintain athleticism. Adding 100 pounds to a 185 pound frame can be done but is doubtful.
Agreed, and it's actually a secondary issue, could he grow/develop into a potential backup center say as an upperclassman junior, senior, or 5th year senior. His primary function is dedicated Long Snapper and he's supposed to excel at it. Question is how much weight does he have to add to HS listed 6-4, 185 to play with the big dawgs in Div 1.
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I saw that too.Anyone with premium access to let us know if we're still in the running?
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Very interesting. Thanks for the info. ironman.
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I can already see the thread on/after NSD: We are going to keep more 5th years and recruits then the 85 man limit. Let the speculation begin....
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If you gave me a choice between having Dever for another year so we only replace one OL or adding a LS.... I'm sorry but that is a no brainer towards Dever in my book. I hate to be so negative but I just think giving a scholarship to any LS with our schollie situation is a huge mistake.
I wonder if BK will ask him what he feels about being a walk-on with option for a scholarship later as performance/numbers dictate.
I wonder if BK will ask him what he feels about being a walk-on with option for a scholarship later as performance/numbers dictate.
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Could it be that the decision on Dever relies on whether or not we are getting Niklas?
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Right now I think the order of 5th years is:
1. Dever
2. Other
I'm assuming the first player in, regardless of position, is going to take the spot from "Other." Niklas was originally being recruited for us as a DE. I think he projects best as an OT in the spread because of his frame and speed. Either way, he needs to add a significant amount of weight before he will be ready to rock on either side of the ball. As he won't be an immediate contributor, I don't think that affects which 5th year is kept.
At this time, I'm assuming we land Niklas this weekend. Maybe he won't like the snow, but I think USC is too full for him to head there and I don't think Stanford has long term appeal anymore. So that's a big assumption, but with that fact you have Dever vs. Haynes. Looking at a 4 year plan, yeah.. I can understand Haynes over Dever. Looking at next year, there is no way that puts us in the best position to win.
My *guess* is that BK will say "Look, plenty of kids turn down scholarships to OSU for Notre Dame every year because ND is simply a much better school. Right now, the numbers are kind of tricky so we can't promise you a scholarship. We don't over-recruit like the SEC and hope for the best. But we would love for you to be a preferred walk-on and when a scholarship does eventually open up you will be the first to have it."
This just seems like the most probable scenario to me based on this trail of evidence:
1. Bryce was going to commit, and then delayed it.
2. He then scheduled a meeting with BK and says when it is over he will "hopefully" have a decision made.
To me it seems like he wants to go to ND, was going to declare for ND, something happened with his offer and now he is meeting with BK, if he has an actionable offer he will declare for ND and if not he will likely debate over it for a bit and then declare for OSU.
This is complete spit balling, but at least it is logical.
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Is it possible that Dever isn't accepted for school next year?? Sorry if that's been answered but I didn't see it.
Ignore the above ignorance---just saw on another thread that Dever is accepted back.
Ignore the above ignorance---just saw on another thread that Dever is accepted back.
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We still got cowart for two more years so if we don't get this kid we got plenty of time to hunt one down in next year's class.
Indeed unless Cowart's unable to play (injury, etc) forcing the need to pursue Bryce immediately while space appears slim.
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Most schools carry more than one snapper, whether they're a walk on or not, but if that were the case just like Ruffer there's prolly someone in the dorm leagues that could come in and be effective and do the job.
ND had 4 in '10, Cowart and Kavanagh (w/o) at LS and Cave and Cowart as the SS or Short Long Snapper. None are graduating.
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So I wouldn't say we're in dire straights for a long snapper...i believe flavin was also on the roster as a SS as well. He was hurt for a period of time during the year. I think he has graduated though??
Remember J.J. Jansen? He walked on at ND, played three years for the Irish, got his scholarship for his junior and senior years, but redshirted his freshman year. Signed by Green Bay, he was out with an injury in 2008, and has played two years with Carolina as their long snapper. Accounting major.
Player Bio: J.J. Jansen - University of Notre Dame Official Athletics Site
J.J. Jansen, LS for the Carolina Panthers at NFL.com
Player Bio: J.J. Jansen - University of Notre Dame Official Athletics Site
J.J. Jansen, LS for the Carolina Panthers at NFL.com
We shouldn't be in dire straits for a long snapper one should think. But who knows about the status of the others. Were the injuries, grades, etc. or just not up to quality.
Bill Flavin was on the '10 roster as a Special Teams snapper. He broke an ankle against Tulsa and was done. He is supposed to graduate in May and has applied to ND for post graduate work.