Michigan: Final word on search and recruiting

[IrishLax]

3 new recruits yesterday.

Tamani Carter 6'0 175lbs DB 3* Pickerington,Ohio
Raymon Taylor 5'10 167lbs ATH 4* Detroit, MI
Matt Wile 6'2 210lbs K 2* San Diego, California

*YAWN*

Raymon is only rated OK on Rivals.. ESPN and Scout don't think much of him at all... Tamani Carter is a 2* on ESPN and barely a 3* on hte other services... sadly, the kicker is probably your biggest pick up because you're kicking is just awful... and he's the #44 kicker or unranked depending on where you look at... whereas we went into your backyard and took the #1-5 kicker depending on which service you subscribe to.

Wake me up when Michigan gets a recruit that has any semblance of talent or an ND offer. Your best get to date is Justice Hayes... a guy the coaches at ND didn't even really want. Congrats on having one player in the rivals 100 and 14 commits overall. Your recruiting class + all of your worlds of talent on defense has me terrified.

 

[BGIF]

Hoke is leaving no stone unturned to fill this class in the last two weeks. He's already "stolen" DB Tamani Carter from Minnesota, DB Ramon Tayor from Indiana, and DE Keith Heitzman from Vanderbilt.

MIN, IU and Vandy.

Those would be impressive steals if he was recruiting for SDS.

UM's up to 14 recruits with 4, 4 star players. Not that the stars matter, right?



Actually UM's 3.28 average star rating isn't too shabby. 3.28 was the 18th best on Rivals last year.

 

[Irish Man3]

*YAWN*

Raymon is only rated OK on Rivals.. ESPN and Scout don't think much of him at all... Tamani Carter is a 2* on ESPN and barely a 3* on hte other services... sadly, the kicker is probably your biggest pick up because you're kicking is just awful... and he's the #44 kicker or unranked depending on where you look at... whereas we went into your backyard and took the #1-5 kicker depending on which service you subscribe to.

Wake me up when Michigan gets a recruit that has any semblance of talent or an ND offer. Your best get to date is Justice Hayes... a guy the coaches at ND didn't even really want. Congrats on having one player in the rivals 100 and 14 commits overall. Your recruiting class + all of your worlds of talent on defense has me terrified.

What?

 

[BGIF]

*YAWN*

... Your best get to date is Justice Hayes... a guy the coaches at ND didn't even really want. ...

Your sour grapes sound like the typical UM fan comment about a defector, "We dodged a bullet there!"


So why did ND offer a guy they "really didn't want"?

 

[IrishLax]

Your sour grapes sound like the typical UM fan comment about a defector, "We dodged a bullet there!"


So why did ND offer a guy they "really didn't want"?

According to Justice he decommitted because the ND coaches started not showing him love and he didn't feel like he was wanted by them anymore. His words, not mine. But it makes a lot of sense considering they thought, at the time of his decommit, that they were on the inside track for Huggins and Carlisle.

 

[Irish Man3]

According to Justice he decommitted because the ND coaches started not showing him love and he didn't feel like he was wanted by them anymore. His words, not mine. But it makes a lot of sense considering they thought, at the time of his decommit, that they were on the inside track for Huggins and Carlisle.

He also said Michigan had more coaching stability. Kids say whatever they want when they commit or decommit. ND wanted him. They didn't pull his offer, he decommitted to stay close to home. He would still be a Notre Dame verbal if ND had it their way and we wouldn't be having discussions about lack of depth in our backfield.

 

[BGIF]

According to Justice he decommitted because the ND coaches started not showing him love and he didn't feel like he was wanted by them anymore. His words, not mine. But it makes a lot of sense considering they thought, at the time of his decommit, that they were on the inside track for Huggins and Carlisle.

That's your impilcation of your inference, not his words. It's a long way from HE didn't feel wanted to THEY didn't want him.

"... at the time of his decommit, that they were on inside track for Huggins and Carlisle."

In the minds of rationalizing ND fans, not from the words of either recruit.

 

[IrishLax]

He also said Michigan had more coaching stability. Kids say whatever they want when they commit or decommit. ND wanted him. They didn't pull his offer, he decommitted to stay close to home. He would still be a Notre Dame verbal if ND had it their way and we wouldn't be having discussions about lack of depth in our backfield.

Three things:

1. Yes, in hindsight, it would be nice to have him because we whiffed on Carlisle and are going to whiff on Huggins. If we got Carlisle hell no would we would care about him.
2. You're saying it's pure coincidence that he came to visit and immediately after the visit said he got a bad vibe and couple days after ends up switching his commitment? Yeah, kids say what they say, but the writing is on the wall. He clearly did not get the love and attention we give to other guys (Tuitt, Lynch, etc.) and that is telling in its own right. AND our staff told him upfront after he committed that they would still be recruiting other running backs. If he was "our guy" none of the above would have happened.
3. Of course they didn't pull his offer... ND doesn't pull offers from committed kids baring something crazy off the field... and you'd never pull someones offer (even as an SEC school) unless you had other commitments in hand. Just because he has an actionable offer means nothing with regards to hi importance to the coaches.

 

[BGIF]

He also said Michigan had more coaching stability. Kids say whatever they want when they commit or decommit. ND wanted him. They didn't pull his offer, he decommitted to stay close to home. He would still be a Notre Dame verbal if ND had it their way and we wouldn't be having discussions about lack of depth in our backfield.

Amen.

 

[IrishLax]

That's your impilcation of your inference, not his words. It's a long way from HE didn't feel wanted to THEY didn't want him.

"... at the time of his decommit, that they were on inside track for Huggins and Carlisle."

In the minds of rationalizing ND fans, not from the words of either recruit.

Is it that much of a leap of faith that if the kid felt wanted before then came to visit again and didn't feel wanted.... that maybe the staff was out there pursuing other guys they liked better? They told him to his face they were still going to recruit other RBs when he committed and then shows up and gets love and we KNOW by examples with Ishaq, Lynch, Tuitt, etc. that our staff is capable of showing love if they really want someone.

My conclusion that the staff was not super high on him (at least relative to other guys on our radar) is much more plausible than the conclusion that we really wanted him but treated him as an afterthought on his visit for no apparent reason.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

First we need to beat Michigan. They're recruiting classes don't matter to me until we pulverize them. Then I can laugh at the 40th tanked class and say there is now way in the foreseeable future they will beat us. But, first I need to see ND dominate the wolverines the way MISS ST did. We lost to Navy last year.. a team that doesn't even sniff the caliber of recruits we get. I was at that game in the Meadowlands and I couldn't believe what I was watching.. It was devastating. I might as well have had an IV of bud light running through my veins with the amount of beer I was flooding my anger with! Anyway, I really do believe with the upward signs of the last 4 games we will be dominant against UM and the teams we should beat next year.

 

[Wolverine1997]

After I seen 3* unknown back by the name of Michael Hart break every Michigan rushing record that is when the star system didn't mean sh*t anymore to me.

If Brandon fired RR after the the game against that school in ohio than maybe the class would be better. Dee Hart was starting to **** me off with his decommit and re-commit antics. Heh, good luck starting at Bama. Against Ingram, Richardson and Barry Sanders Jr.

And if I'm not mistaken wasn't Justice Hayes a ND commit? Hmm.
But if I were you guys I wouldn't get too bat**** crazy about your class yet. You never know who pans out and who doesn't.

 

[Irish Man3]

After I seen 3* unknown back by the name of Michael Hart break every Michigan rushing record that is when the star system didn't mean sh*t anymore to me.

If Brandon fired RR after the the game against that school in ohio than maybe the class would be better. Dee Hart was starting to **** me off with his decommit and re-commit antics. Heh, good luck starting at Bama. Against Ingram, Richardson and Barry Sanders Jr.

And if I'm not mistaken wasn't Justice Hayes a ND commit? Hmm.
But if I were you guys I wouldn't get too bat**** crazy about your class yet. You never know who pans out and who doesn't.

I'll take my chances on a nationally ranked top 10 class over your class that is in close association to most of the MAC schools.

And your clearly not mistaken since that was discussed in the last 8-9 posts.

 

[phork]

As puzzling as the Hayes decommit was, the proof is in the pudding. Tuitt decommited and within 2 days was back to Irish. Lynch decommited and then came back. Our staff paid them visits. Clearly if they wanted Hayes badly they would have done the same.

Star ratings mean squat to me. Its how your coach finds and utilizes that talent. BoiseSt currently has the 49th ranked class, tell me they suck.

Only result that matters is Scoreboard, period.

 

[Wolverine1997]

Star ratings mean squat to me. Its how your coach finds and utilizes that talent. BoiseSt currently has the 49th ranked class, tell me they suck.

Only result that matters is Scoreboard, period.

+1000

 

[Riddickulous]

Michigan's class jumped up four spots to 36th.

Notable teams still ahead of them: Utah, Kansas, Virginia, Washington, Louisville.

Michigan will have a pretty weak senior class down the road unless Hoke finds a way to land one of the remaining stud prospects that have shown some interest in Michigan.

 

[Irish Man3]

As puzzling as the Hayes decommit was, the proof is in the pudding. Tuitt decommited and within 2 days was back to Irish. Lynch decommited and then came back. Our staff paid them visits. Clearly if they wanted Hayes badly they would have done the same.

Star ratings mean squat to me. Its how your coach finds and utilizes that talent. BoiseSt currently has the 49th ranked class, tell me they suck.

Only result that matters is Scoreboard, period.

The players have to be willing to accept visits. Aaron Lynch and Stephon Tuitt were and Justice Hayes would not. HE would not meet with ND coaches after his decommitment from ND. Which means if he declined a meeting (which according to coach D on ISD, he did) with ND coaches, they made an attempt. If I'm not mistaken he was an EE to the University of Michigan.

And if star ratings don't mean squat to you, that's all fine, well, and good but they show up on the field. The top schools year after year have top classes. Are there exceptions for schools that play weak schedules (Boise State)? Of course there are but it's the exception not common. Star ratings matter!

 

[Wolverine1997]

Michigan's class jumped up four spots to 36th.

Notable teams still ahead of them: Utah, Kansas, Virginia, Washington, Louisville.

Michigan will have a pretty weak senior class down the road unless Hoke finds a way to land one of the remaining stud prospects that have shown some interest in Michigan.

About every receiver that does anything is going into their senior year which worries me.

I just noticed this on our board a while ago..

Chad Jeffries- SDSU QB Commit

 

[Wolverine1997]

Star ratings matter!

That school down the road from Michigan that likes to burn couches and is on red cedar (God what a stupid fight song lyric) had a pretty good year I would say and all they get is 3* and the occasional 4* player. Granite they didn't beat anyone good besides Wisconsin, but still had a good year. Just an example. Let's see how consistent they can be though, because the last time they had a 9+ win season they followed it up with a loss to CMU and 6-7 record. Just an example

 

[Irish Man3]

That school down the road from Michigan that likes to burn couches and is on red cedar (God what a stupid fight song lyric) had a pretty good year I would say and all they get is 3* and the occasional 4* player. Granite they didn't beat anyone good besides Wisconsin, but still had a good year. Just an example. Let's see how consistent they can be though, because the last time they had a 9+ win season they followed it up with a loss to CMU and 6-7 record. Just an example

I agree there are a few exceptions. But when you look at the teams that fill up the top 10 year after year, they also fill up the recruiting top 10. Teams like Ohio State (Your favorite), Alabama, Texas, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. These teams bring in elite talent (recruiting star ratings show this) and are in turn, elite teams year after year.

 

[Wolverine1997]

I agree there are a few exceptions. But when you look at the teams that fill up the top 10 year after year, they also fill up the recruiting top 10. Teams like Ohio State (Your favorite), Alabama, Texas, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. These teams bring in elite talent (recruiting star ratings show this) and are in turn, elite teams year after year.

All of those teams also have the elite coaches too. (stay tuned on Florida) Where was OU in the 90s? They finally got back once they got their man at head coach. I'm not saying Hoke is gonna win the National Title this year. Look at Michigan's 2009 class for example, 5* DT Will Campbell who was suppose to help out on defense a ton and he hasn't even started once. THAT is coaching imo

 

[Irish Man3]

All of those teams also have the elite coaches too. (stay tuned on Florida) Where was OU in the 90s? They finally got back once they got their man at head coach. I'm not saying Hoke is gonna win the National Title this year. Look at Michigan's 2009 class for example, 5* DT Will Campbell who was suppose to help out on defense a ton and he hasn't even started once. THAT is coaching imo

There were no star ratings in the 1990's so that point doesn't really hold any water. Elite players want to play for elite programs. Elite programs are elite programs because of great coaches.

This year alone:
ESPN #1 RB Michael Dyer- National Championship game MVP over the Heisman Trophy winner.
ESPN #2 RB Marcus Lattimore- SEC Freshman of the Year and changed the direction of the South Carolina program.

Talent matters. Talent is directly related with star ratings.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Both Michigan schools got trampled by SEC teams. MSU had a good record but when the true test came against Alabama, they proved to be what they are.. mediocre. Michigan got embarrassed by Miss St... why? Because the players from the SEC area are the prime athletes. I don't know what is in the water down there but it's producing the elite football players. ND lost to both of those teams so clearly we have plenty of room for improvement. I'll say it again and again, the SEC teams are the standard.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

After I seen 3* unknown back by the name of Michael Hart break every Michigan rushing record that is when the star system didn't mean sh*t anymore to me.

I seen? Yikes.

Mike Hart had something like 200 rushing touchdowns and over 11,000 rushing yards in high school. It's not like a three-star player is worthless. If anything it was because he came from up-state New York and the competition wasn't very great.

If he was a walk-on, or a two-star recruit, then it would have been a miracle.

 

[Wolverine1997]

I seen? Yikes.

Em sawry I dunt specialize in grammer when on massage boreds

 

[RyCo1983]

That school down the road from Michigan that likes to burn couches and is on red cedar (God what a stupid fight song lyric) had a pretty good year I would say and all they get is 3* and the occasional 4* player. >>>>>>Granite<<<<< they didn't beat anyone good besides Wisconsin, but still had a good year. Just an example. Let's see how consistent they can be though, because the last time they had a 9+ win season they followed it up with a loss to CMU and 6-7 record. Just an example

Obviously you don't there Michigan guy

 

[Ironman8]

Michigan had a good recruiting day:

They just stole a 3 star QB commit from Big Ten rival Purdue, Russell Bellomy from Texas, as well as a commit from a high 3 star / 4 star linebacker named Antonio Poole from Cincinnati. The icing on the cake was solidifying Blake Countess' verbal. Hoke isn't going to go quietly.

 

[NewEnglandGuy]

Big night for the skunk helmets, by looking on their boards I am not sure if they realize:

They flipped a CB from Minnesota, a CB from Indiana who was already looking, and a QB from Purdue. Those are the only 3 schools in the Big 10 who had worse years (which says something considering how bad scUM was).

They also got a much need kicker from Cali...whose only offer in state was SDSU. Then they picked up a 6-3 220 DE with Illinois, Indiana, Vandy, and MAC offers.

Their gem is a LB from Ohio that was between Pitt (new coach) and Kentucky (6-7)...must have watched their ugly bowl game.

To be fair and not totally negative, they did win that LB over a late charge from Golden and Miami. Hoke was also able to get most of the recruits to stay including some of their best in Countess and Jones.

 

[BGIF]

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To be fair and not totally negative, they did win that LB over a late charge from Golden and Miami. Hoke was also able to get most of the recruits to stay including some of their best in Countess and Jones.

They moved up 9 places on Rivals Team Rankings to #30 but keep in mind they only have 16 recruits while teams like #17 Mississippi have 27.

Looking at Avg Stars, UM moves up to #22 on that basis leading such teams as Arkansas, Iowa, PSU, So Carolina, Wisconsin, and Va Tech. Not in OSU's class, #11 overall and tied for 12th with ND for Avg Star Ranking at 3.43.

If Hoke can hold that relative position he will have done very well in what should have been a disastrous year recruiting for UM.

 

[Wolverine1997]

The addition of 4* LB Antonio Poole is good.

12 of 16 recruits are defensive players.