What happened?

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Look at it this way... there are really only two possible outcomes at the end of the year...

#1 Charlie is fired... JC is definately gone, Golden is possibly gone and we loose some key recruits. Next year is a transition year and we actually have to wait many years before we are contending.

#2 Charlie stays... Golden definately stays, JC possibly stays and we keep a top 10 (as of now) and possibly top 5 recruiting class. Anything is possible next year as we have a NC wothy offense and hopefully a defense that is one year behind our offensive and allows us to be a contender next year.

Charlie will not be let go this year. There is simply too much to loose and too little to gain by letting him go. Knowing this and the fact that it is was unrealistic to expect a 6-6 team to go 12-0, just enjoy the games!!!

You are really starting to upset me with posts like this.

You're a great optimist but Charlie is eventually going to have to go, Charlie isn't bigger than the program like you may think. You'd be surprised how things change when the entire fanbase is revived and everyone can be proud of Notre Dame football again. There is a clear split between ND fans, and its getting more and more noticeable as we continue to bask in mediocrity while people like yourself defend Charlie and say give him a few more years and others say he needs to go for this programs sake.

If we gave Charlie a few more years, it wouldn't matter. If he cant coach up a National Championship contending team now, what makes you think he will do it if we give him 3-4 more years?

We are 3-16 vs teams with winning records since 2007.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Well then I suggest you look at the academic requirements at Alabama Vs. ND. After that I suggest you look at the amount of JC college studs that transferred in. This allows the transition to be made significantly faster!!!

I knew eventually you'd use the Academic requirement excuse, the only thing thats left for some of these fans to use instead of pulling a Fisher DeBerry.

Im not going to participate in that again.

 

[Riddickulous]

Look at it this way... there are really only two possible outcomes at the end of the year...

#1 Charlie is fired... JC is definately gone, Golden is possibly gone and we loose some key recruits. Next year is a transition year and we actually have to wait many years before we are contending.

#2 Charlie stays... Golden definately stays, JC possibly stays and we keep a top 10 (as of now) and possibly top 5 recruiting class. Anything is possible next year as we have a NC worthy offense and hopefully a defense that is one year behind our offensive and allows us to be a contender next year.

Charlie will not be let go this year. There is simply too much to loose and too little to gain by letting him go. Knowing this and the fact that it is was unrealistic to expect a 6-6 team to go 12-0, just enjoy the games!!!

Golden Tate is gone if Jimmy Clausen is gone. I'm 100% sure.

 

[irishfan]

If we gave Charlie a few more years, it wouldn't matter. If he cant coach up a National Championship contending team now, what makes you think he will do it if we give him 3-4 more years?

The only argument I can make for why this program would be better off in 3-4 years with Weis then it is now is mainly just because Weis' 1st recruiting class (our 5th year seniors) was thrown together completely at the last second. Also, his 2nd recruiting class (our seniors) was good, but he got a very late start recruiting that class and so many of them eventually transferred. The only 5th year seniors who are starters are McCarthy and Duncan, and 10 of the 28 commits from Weis' 2nd class (our seniors) aren't on the team right now. We're finally at the point where we have the depth that we aren't forced to play so many true freshman (I think we've played 6 besides the specialists). People always say that this is finally "Weis' team" with all his recruits, but I've always told myself that I was never going to consider it "his" team until Clausen's class are 5th year seniors.

 

[enrico514]

I knew eventually you'd use the Academic requirement excuse, the only thing thats left for some of these fans to use instead of pulling a Fisher DeBerry.

Im not going to participate in that again.

Actually the academic requirement is not an excuse but rather a reality. It is not an excuse as we should expect this program to be able to attract enough high quality football talent that also meet ND's academic requirements. But it is a reality bc it does not allow us to simply plug holes in a quick manner. Hence, it takes ND a little longer to rebuild than most other football programs. Coach Saban would not have had the same success at ND as he's had at Alabama. Although we would all have liked ND to be competing for a NC this year and not have gone through 2007 and 2008, we have to accept the reality of being a ND fan.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

I knew eventually you'd use the Academic requirement excuse, the only thing thats left for some of these fans to use instead of pulling a Fisher DeBerry.

Im not going to participate in that again.

Why do you only show up after a loss???

 

[enrico514]

You are really starting to upset me with posts like this.

You're a great optimist but Charlie is eventually going to have to go, Charlie isn't bigger than the program like you may think. You'd be surprised how things change when the entire fanbase is revived and everyone can be proud of Notre Dame football again. There is a clear split between ND fans, and its getting more and more noticeable as we continue to bask in mediocrity while people like yourself defend Charlie and say give him a few more years and others say he needs to go for this programs sake.

If we gave Charlie a few more years, it wouldn't matter. If he cant coach up a National Championship contending team now, what makes you think he will do it if we give him 3-4 more years?

We are 3-16 vs teams with winning records since 2007.

I'm sorry if my post upset you. It definately was not my intention. Allow me to clear up a few things for you. IMHO, CW is not bigger than the program just like the program is not bigger than the school or what it stands for. I was just stating that CW, unless the team totally melts down, was probably staying for at least one more year because that is the option that makes the most sense. Keeping CW should not cause great damage to the program and simply offers more pros than cons. If he doesn't have a good year in 2010 we at least pulled in a great class this year and gave a team that could be very well positioned a shot at reaching its potential.

 

[Irish.Ca]

We sh*t the bed folks. Our D has been lukewarm or cold all year and.... surprise. Collapsed. With what Navy runs, I figure every time the QB pitches the ball, you FILL HIM IN. I kept waiting for someone to kill him but it never happened. Knock out the QB, cut off the head of the snake. Makes sense to me. They don't throw the ball (once) so how many times does the backup throw the ball in practise?

 

[Junkhead]

Many of us gave Weis and company the benefit of the doubt for a long time. At some point you have to see that it isn't going anywhere. That point might be now, it might be in 3 weeks. I thought he was the guy for longer than I should have.

 

[phgreek]

We sh*t the bed folks. Our D has been lukewarm or cold all year and.... surprise. Collapsed. With what Navy runs, I figure every time the QB pitches the ball, you FILL HIM IN. I kept waiting for someone to kill him but it never happened. Knock out the QB, cut off the head of the snake. Makes sense to me. They don't throw the ball (once) so how many times does the backup throw the ball in practise?

I agree...but Shhhhh...I said something similar earlier in the year...you'll get lectured about suggesting we play dirty...

Of course you CRUSH an option QB. Defensive scheme for the first quarter should have been put his ass on the deck EVERY play...but hey, we can hold our heads high...we didn't hurt anyone...

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Notre Dame football has given me a just "fuck it" attitude.

For the safety of anyone near me, I took a "fuck it" attitude.

It came a bit late.

Ramifications.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Actually the academic requirement is not an excuse but rather a reality. It is not an excuse as we should expect this program to be able to attract enough high quality football talent that also meet ND's academic requirements. But it is a reality bc it does not allow us to simply plug holes in a quick manner. Hence, it takes ND a little longer to rebuild than most other football programs. Coach Saban would not have had the same success at ND as he's had at Alabama. Although we would all have liked ND to be competing for a NC this year and not have gone through 2007 and 2008, we have to accept the reality of being a ND fan.

You're acting as if 1/2 of their class is Jucos, most of the top schools in the country currently have had 1 or 0 Jucos in their classes.

The plugging in holes effect only works if you're actually developing talent like a school like Alabama, USC, and Florida have been doing in recent years.

If any of our starters went down do you believe our reserves could step in and fill in just as effectively?

Its been 2 years and we still haven't replaced Trevor Laws.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

The only argument I can make for why this program would be better off in 3-4 years with Weis then it is now is mainly just because Weis' 1st recruiting class (our 5th year seniors) was thrown together completely at the last second. Also, his 2nd recruiting class (our seniors) was good, but he got a very late start recruiting that class and so many of them eventually transferred. The only 5th year seniors who are starters are McCarthy and Duncan, and 10 of the 28 commits from Weis' 2nd class (our seniors) aren't on the team right now. We're finally at the point where we have the depth that we aren't forced to play so many true freshman (I think we've played 6 besides the specialists). People always say that this is finally "Weis' team" with all his recruits, but I've always told myself that I was never going to consider it "his" team until Clausen's class are 5th year seniors.

I agree completely, but I was surprised when talking to an absolute optimistic lifetime ND fan yesterday when he adamantly stated that CW must go. He was loud and still angry.

 

[leahy's lads]

ADMINISTRATOR'S NOTE: Edited. Please post thoughtfully and respectfully.

 

[We_Are_ND]

yikes.....sorry I hurt your feelings bud, even though I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Easy buddy. I think your heart might explode. I think your issues start with punctuation and capitalization. Weis clearly has not performed up to his own standards. For this he should man up and do what is best for the university he loves.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

leahy, I was surprised yesterday to hear from a calm Christian man the exact same sentiment.

But calm down on here. You don't want to get banned. I feel your anger brother.

I still say keep CW though, as angry as I was during the game, and after for quite a few hours. Heck I even went to a different religious church yesterday. lol. (I knew SHE was gonna be there. Brownie points. But I digress...)

I firmly believe the cupboard was left completely bare and CW came into an impossible situation. I have never liked his style, but he's who we have right now and the program, in my opinion is improving. I am not sure he is the guy to win it all, but give him at least one more year. Sorry to offend anyone, but I do believe next year is CW's team. Blame him completely next year.

 

[leahy's lads]

Easy buddy. I think your heart might explode. I think your issues start with punctuation and capitalization. Weis clearly has not performed up to his own standards. For this he should man up and do what is best for the university he loves.

GLAD YOU FIND THIS HUMOROUS......

 

[leahy's lads]

leahy, I was surprised yesterday to hear from a calm Christian man the exact same sentiment.

But calm down on here. You don't want to get banned. I feel your anger brother.

I still say keep CW though, as angry as I was during the game, and after for quite a few hours. Heck I even went to a different religious church yesterday. lol. (I knew SHE was gonna be there. Brownie points. But I digress...)

I firmly believe the cupboard was left completely bare and CW came into an impossible situation. I have never liked his style, but he's who we have right now and the program, in my opinion is improving. I am not sure he is the guy to win it all, but give him at least one more year. Sorry to offend anyone, but I do believe next year is CW's team. Blame him completely next year.

THE GUY NEVER SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A FIFTH YEAR.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

... I think your issues start with punctuation and capitalization. ...

I went on a punctuation sabbatical last week. We perioded, drew commas, we laughed, we cried..,

Good times.

Hang tight for one more year my friend. One more year. The loss was atrocious, but, one more year.

I think the team blew their wad in San Antonio. They played hard (shut up Notredamer23) and had to travel.

Not making excuses. They stunk it up this weekend. One more year then let's start the serious bitching.

 

[mgriff]

Is no one else disgusted with the lines? Service academies have height and weight standards to adhere to! There is no excuse for not being able to run the ball up and down the field on Navy, Army, or Air Force. I can understand the D-line because of assignment football, but the offense should be able to blow Navy off the ball and run it in every time in the red zone.

I was out of town for a funeral and got back from visiting to see the second half. The defense is obviously in need of some serious work, but we should be able to run the ball at will against service academies.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

THE GUY NEVER SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A FIFTH YEAR.

He's got about ten. Turn off the caps. You are not alone in your sentiments apparently, but chill buddy.
Not to piss you off, but, one more year.

 

[enrico514]

THE GUY NEVER SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A FIFTH YEAR.

The AD made the right decision in allowing CW to coach for a fith year. Unless the team totally breaks down his analysis will show that the team/program has signifcantly more to gain in allowing CW to coach a sixth year than it has to loose.

 

[enrico514]

Is no one else disgusted with the lines? Service academies have height and weight standards to adhere to! There is no excuse for not being able to run the ball up and down the field on Navy, Army, or Air Force. I can understand the D-line because of assignment football, but the offense should be able to blow Navy off the ball and run it in every time in the red zone.

I was out of town for a funeral and got back from visiting to see the second half. The defense is obviously in need of some serious work, but we should be able to run the ball at will against service academies.

If he would have ran the ball down 14 against Navy he would deserve to be fired. I'm actually more mad at Sam Young's blocking on the third down that preceded the safety.

 

[enrico514]

You're acting as if 1/2 of their class is Jucos, most of the top schools in the country currently have had 1 or 0 Jucos in their classes.

The plugging in holes effect only works if you're actually developing talent like a school like Alabama, USC, and Florida have been doing in recent years.

If any of our starters went down do you believe our reserves could step in and fill in just as effectively?

Its been 2 years and we still haven't replaced Trevor Laws.

Once again we will agree to disagree. But one transfer like Terrance Cody makes quite a difference. Just ask Tennesse!!! But actually, it isn't just 0 or 1. Alabama has had 3 in the 2008 class and in the 2009 class.

As for our reserves stepping in. I believe we are a year away from having depth at most postions.

 

[wahoo]

If you want to stay stuck in meodicrity then keep CW. I thought ND aspired to better things. ND needs a coach that can actually put a defense on the field. We need to STOP the run which I have yet to see happen since CW took over the program. Right now I'd say they will finish either 7-5 or 6-6. How can you call that acceptable?

 

[leahy's lads]

You are really starting to upset me with posts like this.

You're a great optimist but Charlie is eventually going to have to go, Charlie isn't bigger than the program like you may think. You'd be surprised how things change when the entire fanbase is revived and everyone can be proud of Notre Dame football again. There is a clear split between ND fans, and its getting more and more noticeable as we continue to bask in mediocrity while people like yourself defend Charlie and say give him a few more years and others say he needs to go for this programs sake.

If we gave Charlie a few more years, it wouldn't matter. If he cant coach up a National Championship contending team now, what makes you think he will do it if we give him 3-4 more years?

We are 3-16 vs teams with winning records since 2007.

a man that i can respect........i agree with your statements wholeheartedly!

 

[leahy's lads]

If you want to stay stuck in meodicrity then keep CW. I thought ND aspired to better things. ND needs a coach that can actually put a defense on the field. We need to STOP the run which I have yet to see happen since CW took over the program. Right now I'd say they will finish either 7-5 or 6-6. How can you call that acceptable?

X2!!!!!!!!!!!! AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[leahy's lads]

The AD made the right decision in allowing CW to coach for a fith year. Unless the team totally breaks down his analysis will show that the team/program has signifcantly more to gain in allowing CW to coach a sixth year than it has to loose.

THE general public decided to vote obama in as president and now many are crying the blues........sometimes you can't take back shitty decisions.

 

[dskoo65]

the whole starting over argument is hogwash. next year will be better with a real head coach.

the definition of statrting over will be when weis doesnt have clausen and tate next year and his poor coaching will be exposed even more clearly.