UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[Irish#1]

Damm man. I'm NOT a "believer." I'm a scientific data collector and analyzer. Nobody's "100%" so quit talking in strawman absolutes. You seem mentally incapable of understanding this. Since it was I that was accused of being close-minded, your post was OBVIOUSLY directed to me --- get off the history-re-write crap.

I'll say one last thing on this and let it go. It was NOT directed at you.

 

[Old Man Mike]

.... to everyone's relief, I'll end communications with a certain poster. Maybe then I can relax and still share information.

Apologies for the wasted thread space.

 

[GATTACA!]

Just a short follow-up on the files release: it is still looking to the UFO researcher veterans that there was nothing new released that we didn't already have. So in a real way, the release of files was "show business", thus far anyway -- we are hoping that they actually release something worthwhile later-sooner.

Some of us think that this release file-dump happened this way: Trump wanted to create a happening on this topic, and questions-in-the-air had him promising to make a release quickly. Well, that's not easy to do in the intel community. (normally). Fortunately he had his always compliant FBI director and that person got the order.

You’re kidding. Who could have predicted this?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

@OMM, I don’t expect you to spend 90 minutes watching the following video, but are the two men being interviewed actually worth listening to for those of us novices just trying to make heads or tails of what’s going on? I try to avoid the Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp types, which often seem sensationalized. So I'm just curious if these gents are a reasonable listen or perhaps just more of the same? Quotes below are from the Diary of a CEO podcast preview where he interviews Dr. Hal Puthoff and Dan Farah:

He spent decades inside the world's most classified intelligence circles…now quantum physicist Dr. Hal Puthoff and filmmaker Dan Farah reveal why the greatest cover-up in human history may finally be unravelling.

Dr. Hal Puthoff is a quantum physicist who has worked with the NSA and CIA, advised the US government on UAP science, and served as chief science advisor to Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace. Dan Farah is the Director and Producer of The Age of Disclosure, a landmark documentary produced in secret over three and a half years, featuring testimony from US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Navy fighter pilots, admirals, generals, and senior intelligence community leaders.

They explain: ◼️How the US government has been covering up non-human intelligent life since the 1940s ◼️ Why crashed UAP craft have allegedly been recovered — with non-human bodies inside ◼️How a secret "Legacy Program" operated for decades outside of Congressional and White House oversight ◼️Why UAPs have been repeatedly spotted hovering over US nuclear weapons sites... and switching off missiles ◼️How the US is entered a covert technology race with China and Russia to reverse-engineer non-human craft ◼️What Trump's historic declassification directive actually revealed (and what's still being hidden) ◼️Why Elon Musk may know more than he's legally allowed to say ◼️Why UAP is the most bipartisan issue in Washington right now

 

[Old Man Mike]

Post #1376 in this thread.

I'm a friend of Hal Puthoff.
I believe some of what he talks about (the remote viewing stuff; he was directly involved).
I am less sure of other things (ufos & reverse engineering).
He's a friend. I'm not going to go on about his other ideas.

Dan Farah? Not an expert to my knowledge. A media person.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Post #1376 in this thread.

I'm a friend of Hal Puthoff.
I believe some of what he talks about (the remote viewing stuff; he was directly involved).
I am less sure of other things (ufos & reverse engineering).
He's a friend. I'm not going to go on about his other ideas.

Dan Farah? Not an expert to my knowledge. A media person.

Thanks. I read that post of yours and somehow missed the overlap w/ Dr. Puthoff.

You're correct, Dan is a film producer/director. Famous for producing Spielberg's "Ready Player One" (great movie, imo) and also recent UAP documentary "The Age of Disclosure."

I found the podcast to be interesting. They seemed careful to stick to the evidence while also playing around with the host's questioning that pushed more into speculative areas.

 

[IRISHbluehen]

Thanks. I read that post of yours and somehow missed the overlap w/ Dr. Puthoff.

You're correct, Dan is a film producer/director. Famous for producing Spielberg's "Ready Player One" (great movie, imo) and also recent UAP documentary "The Age of Disclosure."

I found the podcast to be interesting. They seemed careful to stick to the evidence while also playing around with the host's questioning that pushed more into speculative areas.

Several of the people involved with the remote viewing/Stargate projects were on the Shawn Ryan show a couple years ago, I think Joe McGonigle was another of the names and a female. They were intriguing to listen to, and some of what they say certainly seemed to have some credence.

Another one I find very interesting is Timothy Alberino, hes more of the Nephelium/ancient catastrophe realm and how it relates Biblically. Had a very interesting book called Birthright that talked a lot about the Book of Enoch.

 

[Fbolt]

 

[calvegas04]

Came across this post today and thought it was an interesting take

 

[IrishLion]

I may have posted it in here before, but the thing that trips me up about the search for intelligent life, or the idea that we have been visited already, is that’s it’s not just the idea of having to transcend nature to travel impossible-to-comprehend distances in reasonable timeframes… but the very idea of “time” itself.

If the universe is 14 BILLION years old, the chances that two intelligent species will interact with each other not just across space, but also time, seems wild.

Observation of distant stars is a look into the past because of nature’s limitations. Maybe we’ve evolved quicker than other intelligent species, and our run isn’t going to overlap with whatever might be closest.

Or maybe there have been intelligent species that have come and gone and come again in the time it’s taken for us to develop to where we are.

We aren’t just fighting natural laws and distance over infinite nothingness… we’re fighting timing that needs to be so precise as to result in two species reaching evolutionary points that have even the most remote chance to connect.

It would be a Heaven-worthy miracle to cross both the impossible distance and the unthinkable time so as to find something else.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If the universe is 14 BILLION years old, the chances that two intelligent species will interact with each other not just across space, but also time, seems wild.

On the flip side
If you believe in infinity (or near infinity) then the chances of any event happening are near 100 percent

 

[IrishLion]

On the flip side
If you believe in infinity (or near infinity) then the chances of any event happening are near 100 percent

Very true. And also, if a life form has evolved enough to transcend biological and (most) nature-related limitations to long-distance space travel, then there’s also a chance that they’ve evolved to a place where time is a thing that is irrelevant to them, either because they are essentially immortal, or because they’ve found a way to transcend time as we understand it… but that opens up crazy possibilities with time travel and all the inherent problems that exist with it.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Very true. And also, if a life form has evolved enough to transcend biological and (most) nature-related limitations to long-distance space travel, then there’s also a chance that they’ve evolved to a place where time is a thing that is irrelevant to them, either because they are essentially immortal, or because they’ve found a way to transcend time as we understand it… but that opens up crazy possibilities with time travel and all the inherent problems that exist with it.

I mean if I biological entity has reached earth then they most almost surely have bent space time.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Bending space time is easy
Once you know how to do it

 

[NDFAN420]

Came across this post today and thought it was an interesting take

Reminds me of a Feynman lecture on the subject. Will try to find it and post here:

 

[greyhammer90]

Very true. And also, if a life form has evolved enough to transcend biological and (most) nature-related limitations to long-distance space travel, then there’s also a chance that they’ve evolved to a place where time is a thing that is irrelevant to them, either because they are essentially immortal, or because they’ve found a way to transcend time as we understand it… but that opens up crazy possibilities with time travel and all the inherent problems that exist with it.

I mean if I biological entity has reached earth then they most almost surely have bent space time.

Bending space time is easy
Once you know how to do it

I feel like at a certain point in these conversations the "pro-alien" side of things starts saying things that just sounds like God with extra steps.

I understand that these things can be imagined in a logically sound way, but once you start talking about essentially immortal creatures with no limitations on resources and the ability to bend space/time/matter to their will, it's basically the same thing as saying "yeah so all the reasons why this intersystem space travel is impossible/unlikely? Imagine if those didn't exist."

 

[GATTACA!]

I may have posted it in here before, but the thing that trips me up about the search for intelligent life, or the idea that we have been visited already, is that’s it’s not just the idea of having to transcend nature to travel impossible-to-comprehend distances in reasonable timeframes… but the very idea of “time” itself.

If the universe is 14 BILLION years old, the chances that two intelligent species will interact with each other not just across space, but also time, seems wild.

Observation of distant stars is a look into the past because of nature’s limitations. Maybe we’ve evolved quicker than other intelligent species, and our run isn’t going to overlap with whatever might be closest.

Or maybe there have been intelligent species that have come and gone and come again in the time it’s taken for us to develop to where we are.

We aren’t just fighting natural laws and distance over infinite nothingness… we’re fighting timing that needs to be so precise as to result in two species reaching evolutionary points that have even the most remote chance to connect.

It would be a Heaven-worthy miracle to cross both the impossible distance and the unthinkable time so as to find something else.

What you're describing is know as the Fermi Paradox.

Fermi paradox - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ND87]

What you're describing is know as the Fermi Paradox.

Fermi paradox - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org