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ulukinatme

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I've been told by Hillary that a million mentions in the files is not indicative of guilt.

But seriously, fuck everybody that's guilty and stick them in the woodchipper.
 

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What the fuck are you even talking about? Your argument is that a million mentions in a criminal case file is not a lot and I’m somehow fantasizing that it is. You are a dipshit! Go eat a million dicks and tell me if it was a lot.
I never said anything about a million mentions. My point is that you're living in a fantasy world about Trump's involvement with Epstein's island and pedo activities. You have nothing. No evidence. No involvement. You just want it to be true, and you're letting wishful thinking obscure the fact that there's no credible evidence Trump ever visited the place or was involved in any of Epstein's illicit acts. This is going to be just like 9 years ago with all of you gullible TDS types so sure about the Steele dossier and Russian collusion, and you all ended up looking like fools when it all turned out to be a lie. At least you have experience in this sort of thing.
 

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I never said anything about a million mentions. My point is that you're living in a fantasy world about Trump's involvement with Epstein's island and pedo activities. You have nothing. No evidence. No involvement. You just want it to be true, and you're letting wishful thinking obscure the fact that there's no credible evidence Trump ever visited the place or was involved in any of Epstein's illicit acts. This is going to be just like 9 years ago with all of you gullible TDS types so sure about the Steele dossier and Russian collusion, and you all ended up looking like fools when it all turned out to be a lie. At least you have experience in this sort of thing.
Remember- until we had videos of Joe Biden snorting coke off a hookers ass and Hunter making it rain cash with people buying influence in the backdrop, there was nothing to see there. Just circumstantial evidence and world class paintings. Now the threshold for credible evidence is a hunch and a probably because some Harry Sisson looking douche cites a congressman who lies his ass off.
 

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I never said anything about a million mentions. My point is that you're living in a fantasy world about Trump's involvement with Epstein's island and pedo activities. You have nothing. No evidence. No involvement. You just want it to be true, and you're letting wishful thinking obscure the fact that there's no credible evidence Trump ever visited the place or was involved in any of Epstein's illicit acts. This is going to be just like 9 years ago with all of you gullible TDS types so sure about the Steele dossier and Russian collusion, and you all ended up looking like fools when it all turned out to be a lie. At least you have experience in this sort of thing.
You responded to my post pointing out that there were A MILLION Trump mentions in the Epstein files, telling me I was living in a fantasy. Now you are saying that there is “no evidence”of Trump’s involvement in Epstein’s crimes while simultaneously ignoring those MILLION mentions and that he has used all of his executive power to force the DoJ to keep the files from seeing the light of day. Your position is that none of this constitutes “evidence.” You are a case study in cognitive dissonance and abject dumbfuckery.
 

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You responded to my post pointing out that there were A MILLION Trump mentions in the Epstein files, telling me I was living in a fantasy. Now you are saying that there is “no evidence”of Trump’s involvement in Epstein’s crimes while simultaneously ignoring those MILLION mentions and that he has used all of his executive power to force the DoJ to keep the files from seeing the light of day. Your position is that none of this constitutes “evidence.” You are a case study in cognitive dissonance and abject dumbfuckery.
You have no idea what the million mentions are. You're fantasizing and hoping it's something bad without a shred of evidence. There's NO evidence he ever visited Epstein's island and the two of them had a falling out years ago. If there was anything incriminating, there's not a chance in the world that the Biden admin wouldn't have released it in 2024 before the election. Think, stop fantasizing. YOU. HAVE. NO. CREDIBLE. EVIDENCE. Just like 9 years ago. You're living in fantasy world where what you want to be true trumps what you have evidence indicating is true.
 

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You have no idea what the million mentions are. You're fantasizing and hoping it's something bad without a shred of evidence. There's NO evidence he ever visited Epstein's island and the two of them had a falling out years ago. If there was anything incriminating, there's not a chance in the world that the Biden admin wouldn't have released it in 2024 before the election. Think, stop fantasizing. YOU. HAVE. NO. CREDIBLE. EVIDENCE. Just like 9 years ago. You're living in fantasy world where what you want to be true trumps what you have evidence indicating is true.
You don’t have any idea what the mentions are either. But here’s the “context” you seem to be missing. All of the mentions are IN THE EPSTEIN FILES, the collected evidence against the world’s most notorious pedophile and longtime close friend of Trump (and almost certainly an agent Mossad) who was murdered in prison while in the custody of the Trump Justice Department. Also named in the files was his despicable clients (none nearly as much as Trump) who raped children and not one of the victims of these crimes was even interviewed by Trump’s DoJ. Epstein’s convicted accomplice in his vile crimes was moved from a maximum security prison to Club Fed where she gets to play with puppies. She said just last week she would clear Trump’s name in exchange for clemency after an earlier secretive meeting with Trump’s personal lawyer and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. How fucking stupid are you?
 

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You don’t have any idea what the mentions are either. But here’s the “context” you seem to be missing. All of the mentions are IN THE EPSTEIN FILES, the collected evidence against the world’s most notorious pedophile and longtime close friend of Trump (and almost certainly an agent Mossad) who was murdered in prison while in the custody of the Trump Justice Department. Also named in the files was his despicable clients (none nearly as much as Trump) who raped children and not one of the victims of these crimes was even interviewed by Trump’s DoJ. Epstein’s convicted accomplice in his vile crimes was moved from a maximum security prison to Club Fed where she gets to play with puppies. She said just last week she would clear Trump’s name in exchange for clemency after an earlier secretive meeting with Trump’s personal lawyer and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. How fucking stupid are you?
So show us the incriminating evidence. What do the mentions say that incriminate Trump? You can't? Well, now you get my point. You're speculating, wishing, fantasizing. You have nothing but wishful thinking at this point. How stupid am I? Well, I know the difference between fantasy and actual evidence. You don't. Now carry on with this fantasy and made up accusations and you're going to end up looking just as foolish as you all did 9 years ago when you all ASSURED us that the Steele dossier was legit and Trump was going down, or when you swore that Hunter's laptop wasn't legit. Turned out you were 100% wrong because you can't think for yourself. You can't analyze. You can't tell the difference between what you want to believe and what actually is.
 

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So show us the incriminating evidence. What do the mentions say that incriminate Trump? You can't? Well, now you get my point. You're speculating, wishing, fantasizing. You have nothing but wishful thinking at this point. How stupid am I? Well, I know the difference between fantasy and actual evidence. You don't. Now carry on with this fantasy and made up accusations and you're going to end up looking just as foolish as you all did 9 years ago when you all ASSURED us that the Steele dossier was legit and Trump was going down, or when you swore that Hunter's laptop wasn't legit. Turned out you were 100% wrong because you can't think for yourself. You can't analyze. You can't tell the difference between what you want to believe and what actually is.
Show me Hunter Biden’s laptop and the incriminating evidence it held. You can’t. Show me the evidence that disproves the information in the Steele dossier in its entirety. You can’t. Show me the evidence that Trump was not colluding with Russia. You can’t. Because you are a fucking stooge who likes the smell of his own farts and you needed zero proof of any of those things to spread them like a plague on the rest of us. Now show me a million of anything I can see with my own eyes and make the argument that it’s not a lot of that thing. You can’t. You are a disingenuous piece of shit who projects dumbass arguments that meet your narrative without a shred of evidence. You have spent the past hour arguing against the fact that 1 million is a lot. Go fuck yourself you fat little troll.
 

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Show me Hunter Biden’s laptop and the incriminating evidence it held. You can’t. Show me the evidence that disproves the information in the Steele dossier in its entirety. You can’t. Show me the evidence that Trump was not colluding with Russia. You can’t. Because you are a fucking stooge who likes the smell of his own farts and you needed zero proof of any of those things to spread them like a plague on the rest of us. Now show me a million of anything I can see with my own eyes and make the argument that it’s not a lot of that thing. You can’t. You are a disingenuous piece of shit who projects dumbass arguments that meet your narrative without a shred of evidence. You have spent the past hour arguing against the fact that 1 million is a lot. Go fuck yourself you fat little troll.
You seem very reasonable and quite capable of discussing things rationally.

What happened to you to make you this way? You're unable to defend your position so you change the subject and curse and rant and insult instead of engaging in intelligent factual discussion. We were discussing Trump and Epstein, and as soon as I pointed out that you have no evidence and asked you to show us some if you did, you have an emotional meltdown and start dragging all sorts of other issues into the discussion to deflect and change the subject instead of just manning up and admitting you have nothing, and start cursing and insulting. Very typical of a liberal who can't hold their own in a debate. You forgot to call me a racist and Nazi. Isn't that the other thing you guys do when losing a debate?
 

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You seem very reasonable and quite capable of discussing things rationally.

What happened to you to make you this way? You're unable to defend your position so you change the subject and curse and rant and insult instead of engaging in intelligent factual discussion. We were discussing Trump and Epstein, and as soon as I pointed out that you have no evidence and asked you to show us some if you did, you have an emotional meltdown and start dragging all sorts of other issues into the discussion to deflect and change the subject instead of just manning up and admitting you have nothing, and start cursing and insulting. Very typical of a liberal who can't hold their own in a debate. You forgot to call me a racist and Nazi. Isn't that the other thing you guys do when losing a debate?
I just asked you to provide evidence of three different things that you suggest are proven. Where is your proof? Just asking for the same consideration you are demanding from me. The reason we can’t have a civil, factual conversation is that you refuse to acknowledge facts and when somebody presses you you revert to amateurish psychoanalysis, refusing to understand that benefit of the doubt is not in infinite supply. Sooner or later, everyone is going to know you are full of shit when you constantly talk out of your ass. Especially when you make a habit of ignoring what is patently obvious to everyone in the world not wearing a red hat.
 
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Alright folks, time to see if we can get any of three folks from the below post to admit to Trump falsifying the data. I don’t expect a single admission but setting the line 0.5 people. I personally wouldn’t say falsifying but using Drayer’s term below, do we think #1/Bishy/Drayer will say the Trump admin put out false data leading to the biggest revision in 25 years?



Was. Biden has clearly replaced him.


In a related story-
Now that Trump has won, they are revising all of their numbers during the Biden administration.

The govt initially reported Q2 of 2024 had 653,000 job gains. It was actually NEGATIVE.

There was also a revision of 800,000 jobs from last year. They falsified the data to try to help Biden/Harris. They will likely spin the economy negative now that Trump is President.
 

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I just asked you to provide evidence of three different things that you suggest are proven. Where is your proof? Just asking for the same consideration you are demanding from me. The reason we can’t have a civil, factual conversation is that you refuse to acknowledge facts and when somebody presses you you revert to amateurish psychoanalysis, refusing to understand that benefit of the doubt is not in infinite supply. Sooner or later, everyone is going to know you are full of shit when you constantly talk out of your ass. Especially when you make an habit of ignoring what is patently obvious to everyone in the world not wearing a red hat.
I asked you for evidence of your assertions about Trump and your reply was to change the subject and demand evidence from me of topics that YOU brought up. That's deflecting and dodging. Show me your evidence first. You made the first claim that you can't back up and I challenged it. You don't get to change the subject and demand something from someone else to avoid the consequences of getting caught claiming a bunch of BS.

And I do not make a habit of ignoring what is patently obvious. I ignore made up left wing conspiracy theories and irrational nonsense, which are the only thing coming from the left. If you want to believe emotion-based childish nonsense that's your right, but don't be surprised when the thinking adults call BS and dismiss it as empty silly irrational nonsense.

Now, stop the BS spinning and deflecting and dodging. Back up your claims about Trump with actual credible evidence, not wishful speculation. If you're so certain, show us the evidence. Don't change the subject, don't speculate, and don't get your feeling hurt and lose your temper. Just show us the actual credible evidence or move along and stop boring me and wasting my time ranting and fantasizing.
 

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Alright folks, time to see if we can get any of three folks from the below post to admit to Trump falsifying the data. I don’t expect a single admission but setting the line 0.5 people. I personally wouldn’t say falsifying but using Drayer’s term below, do we think #1/Bishy/Drayer will say the Trump admin put out false data leading to the biggest revision in 25 years?


I supported Trump firing the BLS folks who screwed up the data before and would be fine with it again if this is not part of the correction process by the replacements. I recognize this is probably harder post mass migration, but there’s no reason to not have accurate trends and data. This is economic data. Can’t screw it up. In the age of AI, you’d think we could not have massive corrections.
 

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I asked you for evidence of your assertions about Trump and your reply was to change the subject and demand evidence from me of topics that YOU brought up. That's deflecting and dodging. Show me your evidence first. You made the first claim that you can't back up and I challenged it. You don't get to change the subject and demand something from someone else to avoid the consequences of getting caught claiming a bunch of BS.

And I do not make a habit of ignoring what is patently obvious. I ignore made up left wing conspiracy theories and irrational nonsense, which are the only thing coming from the left. If you want to believe emotion-based childish nonsense that's your right, but don't be surprised when the thinking adults call BS and dismiss it as empty silly irrational nonsense.

Now, stop the BS spinning and deflecting and dodging. Back up your claims about Trump with actual credible evidence, not wishful speculation. If you're so certain, show us the evidence. Don't change the subject, don't speculate, and don't get your feeling hurt and lose your temper. Just show us the actual credible evidence or move along and stop boring me and wasting my time ranting and fantasizing.
The number 1,000,000 is my evidence. It is impossible to believe that all those references in a case trial about a pedophile’s crimes were casual mentions that don’t point to, as the very least, knowledge of the crimes being committed. The whole point was that number is too big to just brush off like it’s nothing while saying everyone who thinks pennies covering 9 acres of land is at least an oddity (or was that before you bulldozed your way into yet another discussion?). Not you. You’d walk right by without raising an eyebrow.

His goons murder US citizens in the street. You? Nothing to see here. They got what they deserved. FAAFO. Physical attack on the Capitol? Pfft. Cartoonishly brazen cover-up using every lever of govt.? Don’t be silly! You just whistle past the graveyard — a man of self-proclaimed intellect, logic and intelligence who can’t manage to see what is clear to everyone else. Take your head out of your ass, clown.
 

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The number 1,000,000 is my evidence. It is impossible to believe that all those references in a case trial about a pedophile’s crimes were casual mentions that don’t point to, as the very least, knowledge of the crimes being committed.
Yeah, you need to learn what evidence is. All you have there are 1,000,000 mentions. No context, no info on what they're about, nothing. All you have there is speculation, not evidence, which has been my point all along. And no, it's NOT impossible to believe they don't point to anything. They're meaningless until shown to be otherwise, and the fact that the Biden admin let an election go down the drain when they could've destroyed Trump if they had anything is strong evidence that there ISN'T anything.
The whole point was that number is too big to just brush off like it’s nothing while saying everyone who thinks pennies covering 9 acres of land is at least an oddity (or was that before you bulldozed your way into yet another discussion?). Not you. You’d walk right by without raising an eyebrow.

His goons murder US citizens in the street. You? Nothing to see here. They got what they deserved. FAAFO. Physical attack on the Capitol? Pfft. Cartoonishly brazen cover-up using every lever of govt.? Don’t be silly! You just whistle past the graveyard — a man of self-proclaimed intellect, logic and intelligence who can’t manage to see what is clear to everyone else. Take your head out of your ass, clown.
ICE and LE didn't murder anyone. Woke idiots interfered with the lawful operations of their agencies and their attempt to enforce the law and got shot for it. What I see are millions of people who violated our nation's immigration laws - laws passed by Rep AND Dem lawmakers elected democratically - and are being rounded up and deported, exactly as they should be. Don't break the law, don't be here illegally, don't harbor those who are, don't interfere with LE doing their job.
 

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Yeah, you need to learn what evidence is. All you have there are 1,000,000 mentions. No context, no info on what they're about, nothing. All you have there is speculation, not evidence, which has been my point all along. And no, it's NOT impossible to believe they don't point to anything. They're meaningless until shown to be otherwise, and the fact that the Biden admin let an election go down the drain when they could've destroyed Trump if they had anything is strong evidence that there ISN'T anything.

ICE and LE didn't murder anyone. Woke idiots interfered with the lawful operations of their agencies and their attempt to enforce the law and got shot for it. What I see are millions of people who violated our nation's immigration laws - laws passed by Rep AND Dem lawmakers elected democratically - and are being rounded up and deported, exactly as they should be. Don't break the law, don't be here illegally, don't harbor those who are, don't interfere with LE doing their job.
You need to learn about deductive reasoning and the First Amendment.
 

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The guy is running from his deep deep depravity… It’s only a matter of time before he’s hung by his fingers
 

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You need to learn about deductive reasoning and the First Amendment.
You're one of the more irrational "What I want beats what is" people on IE, so don't lecture me or anyone else about deductive reasoning. As for the First Amendment, I'm very familiar with it. It doesn't cover breaking the law, harboring criminals, interfering with LE doing their job, rioting, harassing others, or obstructing public streets. It allows for peaceful protesting, speaking your mind, and asking for the government to address your grievances if found to be valid. Now, you know about it too.
 

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Nobody who was shot ….

- broke the law
- rioted
- harassed others
-harbored criminals

You are making shit up.
Since when does the law allow for officers to open fire on unarmed citizens for blocking traffic?

You also might want to check out the 4th amendment, dummy.
 

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Nobody who was shot ….

- broke the law
- rioted
- harassed others
-harbored criminals

You are making shit up.
Since when does the law allow for officers to open fire on unarmed citizens for blocking traffic?

You also might want to check out the 4th amendment, dummy.
Are we going back to innocent bystanders and going to school or whatever the lies were?
 

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Nobody who was shot ….

- broke the law
- rioted
- harassed others
-harbored criminals

You are making shit up.
Since when does the law allow for officers to open fire on unarmed citizens for blocking traffic?

You also might want to check out the 4th amendment, dummy.
Do you just enjoy being wrong and saying silly things that aren't remotely true?

Both people shot broke the law. The Good woman refused to comply with a lawful order and drove her SUV at an officer, hitting him. That is 100% against the law and an attempt to injure or kill the person you hit. So yes, she broke the law. The Pretti guy interfered with LE attempting to arrest or detain a woman. He had NO legal authority to interfere or inject himself into the situation. He was welcome to film it, but NOT to interfere, which is a crime, so yes, he broke the law.

My mention of rioting was to contrast it with peaceful assembly and protesting. They're covered under the First Amendment, rioting is not.

The Good woman was most certainly involved in harassing and interfering with LE doing their job. She had been there most of the day getting in the way, blowing a whistle, and doing everything she could to annoy and harass and interfere with them, then hit one with her SUV. So yeah, she was harassing others. The entire protest movement there was designed to harass and annoy and interfere with law enforcement doing their job.

Being a sanctuary city who refuses to help a Federal agency enforce immigration, harassing and interfering with those agencies and LE DOING THEIR JOB enforcing our nations laws regarding immigration, and actively helping illegal immigrants to avoid deportation is most certainly harboring criminals. They broke our nations immigration laws, so yes, they're criminals. That's the definition of a criminal: someone who commits a crime.
 

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It may be true that Democrats tried to do in Trump a number of times/ways, but this my friend is SOOOO different, and goes way beyond Trump and just trying to get him out of office.

This thing is at the highest levels of global government and the things done were inhumane and on a Nuremberg level from what I've read and seen.

Trump and the others, including Israeli leaders, and global business leaders are quaking in their boots.

Scott Jennings is a bought and paid Trump bootlicker, who is NEVER gonna say one bad thing about Trump because he got inside access to write his book, and he plays his part frequently on CNN on behalf of Trump to ALWAYS take the MAGA/Trump position on any topic they discuss. I take 0% of what he says seriously.

And notice he said "If it's true" Even Jennings is hedging himself.

You guys are gonna be doing some serious cognitive dissonance-ing when this gets out and you see how deep into this stuff Trump was.

I can't prove it but these files show he was in the thick of it. Problem right now is that much has been redacted and unfortunately with a Trump controlled DOJ and FBI, and the global leaders involved still fighting to make sure none of this shit EVER gets out, means it's gonna take some kind of whistle blower action or rogue insider to finally get some smoking gun shit out there. It will happen one day.

In fact, I'm starting to think the reason that all of Trump's cabinet members and tech leaders are all living on bases and / or building bunkers is not so much fear of post rigged election riots but instead preparing for the day all the world sees what abominations Trump, people in his cabin, and many others have done.

It won't be pretty and they will want Trump and others crucified.
 

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It may be true that Democrats tried to do in Trump a number of times/ways, but this my friend is SOOOO different, and goes way beyond Trump and just trying to get him out of office.

This thing is at the highest levels of global government and the things done were inhumane and on a Nuremberg level from what I've read and seen.

Trump and the others, including Israeli leaders, and global business leaders are quaking in their boots.

Scott Jennings is a bought and paid Trump bootlicker, who is NEVER gonna say one bad thing about Trump because he got inside access to write his book, and he plays his part frequently on CNN on behalf of Trump to ALWAYS take the MAGA/Trump position on any topic they discuss. I take 0% of what he says seriously.

And notice he said "If it's true" Even Jennings is hedging himself.

You guys are gonna be doing some serious cognitive dissonance-ing when this gets out and you see how deep into this stuff Trump was.

I can't prove it but these files show he was in the thick of it. Problem right now is that much has been redacted and unfortunately with a Trump controlled DOJ and FBI, and the global leaders involved still fighting to make sure none of this shit EVER gets out, means it's gonna take some kind of whistle blower action or rogue insider to finally get some smoking gun shit out there. It will happen one day.

In fact, I'm starting to think the reason that all of Trump's cabinet members and tech leaders are all living on bases and / or building bunkers is not so much fear of post rigged election riots but instead preparing for the day all the world sees what abominations Trump, people in his cabin, and many others have done.

It won't be pretty and they will want Trump and others crucified.

This whole post feels like deja vu.

I'll believe it when I see it. The elite rarely see justice. When powerful people get arrested either nothing comes of it or someone above them rolled over. These people have had several years to destroy evidence across two administrations. I think we're only seeing names now because they're trying to appease the calls for blood.
 
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