SEC Open Thread

[Hautian Domer]

I thought the KKK was started in Pulaski, Tennessee (per Internet), but it just had the largest presence / members / group in Indiana?

 

[Irish#1]

I think we discussed this enough in a football. Good time to take the conversation to the political threads.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Seriously? You're offended by that?

Is it of racist origin? Yes. Is it anti-American? Yes. If an Ole Miss fan supports that hell yeah I will call them out.

You really are a ___ (I’ll let you fill in the gap…) if that “offends” you.

Are you upset with UNLV as well or does that not count?

As someone with a blatantly obvious first and last name of Irish descent, should “Fighting Irish” offend me?

I’ll fill in the blank with “patriot”.

It’s not about offending, it’s about glorifying Confederate culture. The Confederacy was evil and they are the only major college football team that actively ties their fan culture to support of the confederacy. To the extent UNLV does the same thing, screw them too. Ole Miss is certainly worse because in the lifetime of some people on this board the school actively supported the segregation even after the federal government determined it to be illegal.

 

[Irish du Nord]

The KKK was started in Indiana. It was just as prevalent in rural northern Midwest states as it was in the south. Just because a racist organization uses a preexisting symbol as its own, doesn’t make that symbol theirs.

The confederate flag is one of rebellion and refusal to give in their rights.

They want you to think about race in everything. It’s how they keep us divided while they steal everything.

Which rights are we talking about here? Which rights did they refuse to give in on that people like so much?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Seems like yesterday

I could be fact checked about this but outside of my best friend’s sister (see the Pat Kuntz/IU National Championship thread) those two Frosh were the first two black students to ever attend RHS.

Sorry. Not true. I graduated in ‘93 and there were a handful of black students at Roncalli during my four years. In true Roncalli style, they were all related.

 

[Punky]

George Wallace ran for President in 1968 as a candidate of the American Independence Party, on a platform of segregation of black and white people and 'states rights', basically a reiteration of the Confederacy. He carried 5 states, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi. This election map shows the counties that voted for Wallace, and the percentage of the population in each county who agreed with Wallace.

 

[GoIrish41]

The KKK was started in Indiana. It was just as prevalent in rural northern Midwest states as it was in the south. Just because a racist organization uses a preexisting symbol as its own, doesn’t make that symbol theirs.

The confederate flag is one of rebellion and refusal to give in their rights.

They want you to think about race in everything. It’s how they keep us divided while they steal everything.

Their right to own other people was being challenged and they rebelled. Quite a heritage to honor.

Who is they?

 

[Hautian Domer]

Waiting for you all to opine on the Klan’s presence and power in Indiana. It arguably had more power, support and control than any others. Some of you are so full of shit. Growing up in TH and school in SB I saw it. Indiana is the epitome of the pot calling the a kettle black.

 

[Hautian Domer]

Did the Irish fight in defense of slavery?

They actively participated in slave trading …

Want me to get into the Troubles and the whole Catholic vs Protestant thing too

 

[TorontoGold]

Waiting for you all to opine on the Klan’s presence and power in Indiana. It arguably had more power, support and control than any others. Some of you are so full of shit. Growing up in TH and school in SB I saw it. Indiana is the epitome of the pot calling the a kettle black.

"Alexa can you tell me which school in Indiana had KKK imagery in their school flags and uniforms"

 

[Punky]

My wife's father and her uncle were born and raised in south central Indiana, and said that the Klan was really big in the area back in the 1920s/30s. The uncle was a bit older than my father-in-law, and told stories of towns around them having signs saying blacks were expected to be out of city limits by nightfall. The uncle also told of going with his dad to some town a little ways away and people were talking about a lynching that had happened a couple days before.

EDIT: I'm guessing this was the event - Lynching in Marion IN

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

Couple photos of anti segregation rallies/protests in the South in the 60’s. Confederate flag definitely not associated with racists.

The first iteration of the Klan was started in in Tennessee by former Confederate generals. The following iterations were formed in Georgia.

The KKK didn't become prevalent in the North until the second wave of the KKK when the group became associated with Protestants. That's when the group became more anti Catholic, anti semitic and white Christian nationalist.

"Associated with" !? You had better take down the American Flag because the KKK used that one too.

The Confederate Flag was regarded as patriotic by good people until wokeists attacked the conservative South very recently. That is why patriot, and racial integrationist, President Dwight D Eisenhower hung a picture of General Robert E Lee on his wall.

August 9, 1960


Dear Dr. Scott:


Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.


General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.


From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.


Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.


Sincerely,


Dwight D. Eisenhower

Eisenhower Letter - Robert E. Lee High School Fund

roberteleefund.org

 

[irishnd31]

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Anyone else think that Finebaum could hear a fly fart from a mile away?

 

[Bluto]

They actively participated in slave trading …

Want me to get into the Troubles and the whole Catholic vs Protestant thing too

Oh I see.

No, but that would be a comparable analogy.

I’m sure people would be more than a little upset with a statue celebrating all the great deeds of Oliver Cromwell in downtown Dublin or Free Derry.

Now, to some in the Souths credit not all people in the South supported the civil war and based on an interesting book I read recently called White Trash the 400 Year Untold History of Class In America significant numbers of Southerners fought for the Union Army.

I would have no problem with celebrating that.

 

[Bluto]

Waiting for you all to opine on the Klan’s presence and power in Indiana. It arguably had more power, support and control than any others. Some of you are so full of shit. Growing up in TH and school in SB I saw it. Indiana is the epitome of the pot calling the a kettle black.

I agree, the vast majority of the US was incredibly racist and bigoted for the better part of its history to date.

 

[Bluto]

George Wallace ran for President in 1968 as a candidate of the American Independence Party, on a platform of segregation of black and white people and 'states rights', basically a reiteration of the Confederacy. He carried 5 states, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi. This election map shows the counties that voted for Wallace, and the percentage of the population in each county who agreed with Wallace.

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Yeah, but Bishop has a friend who is black!

 

[Irish2155]

Sorry. Not true. I graduated in ‘93 and there were a handful of black students at Roncalli during my four years. In true Roncalli style, they were all related.

The bolded made me chuckle. You’re not kidding about that.

The 2 black kids my Jr year were the basketball coach’s step son and his AAU buddy. I think his name was Klem (??) but could be wrong about that. The coach left the next year and took both them with him. My senior year we had no black kids.

We should grab a beer sometime. If you’re a ‘93 grad, you might remember some of my SMHS buddies. I’m sure you remember Donald running circles around RHS.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

The bolded made me chuckle. You’re not kidding about that.

The 2 black kids my Jr year were the basketball coach’s step son and his AAU buddy. I think his name was Klem (??) but could be wrong about that. The coach left the next year and took both them with him. My senior year we had no black kids.

We should grab a beer sometime. If you’re a ‘93 grad, you might remember some of my SMHS buddies. I’m sure you remember Donald running circles around RHS.

My class sucked in football. We lost to Chatard, Scecina, and Cathedral. We were small, weak, and slow. Toby Jacobs was the big star at Scecina.

 

[Irish2155]

My class sucked in football. We lost to Chatard, Scecina, and Cathedral. We were small, weak, and slow. Toby Jacobs was the big star at Scecina.

Yes, Toby was a bad ass. His brother, Jason, was my baseball teammate and bullied the fuck out of me. I started at SMHS every game as a Frosh in baseball on a team with 10 seniors and Jason was the absolute worse. We beat RHS that year, I think the last time SMHS has beat RHS in any men sport ever.

If you remember Toby then you must remember Donald Winston. He’s the one who played at Purdue. Just YouTube him.

 

[notredomer23]

Great tweet

 

[Irish#1]

 

[Irish du Nord]

Spot the former Irish commit