Immigration

[Bishop2b5]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230526/gov.uscourts.mnd.230526.41.0.pdf

It's a lawsuit. You can file a lawsuit about almost anything. Doesn't mean you're right. Let me know when it makes its way through the courts and has a final disposition. Until then it's just one side claiming something.

Again, ICE and other federal agencies and LE can detain people if they believe they may be here illegally and determine their status, and detain them for a number of other reasons. You show me someone who is a US citizen and was illegally deported, then you might have something.

 

[NDWarrior]

ICE Deports Man Claiming U.S. Citizenship to Laos Despite Federal Court Order

ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

 

[NDWarrior]

You know it's bad when The Boss feels compelled to put out a new song condemning the brutality of this Admin and ICE against the residents of Minneapolis... Don't fuck with The Boss!

 

[Bishop2b5]

ICE Deports Man Claiming U.S. Citizenship to Laos Despite Federal Court Order

ICE Deports 3 U.S. Citizen Children Held Incommunicado Prior to the Deportation

The man from the first story wasn't a US citizen. He was a former legal resident who had lost even that status. He claimed to be a citizen, but never was. He was ordered to be deported in 2006 for felony convictions of assault and illegal gun possession, which is why he'd lost his legal resident status. When they deported him, a court issued an injunction against it, but it wasn't delivered to authorities until the day after they had already deported him.

As for the three citizen children deported, they were sent back to Honduras with their families at the request of their mothers so as not to be separated from their family members who were here illegally. Complicated situation with decent arguments for both sides. Do you keep the children here since they're citizens? Well, who do you have raise them? Are there close family members here legally? Do those kids' parents want to be separated from them and leave them behind after they're deported? Do you keep the family together and send them all back? That's what they did. Letting the family stay, despite being here illegally just because they have an anchor baby has been a strategy for some, but one that's opposed by many people and clearly not supported by immigration law.

 

[NDVirginia19]

holy shit that song sucks

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The last paragraph is just factually not correct. Here’s Stephen Miller complaining that a court just enjoined DHS from arresting immigrants who are lawfully in the US and who are not breaking our laws:



Here’s a passage from the opinion making that point:

You need to be able to distinguish refugees (who have been granted that status) from illegal immigrants.

In addition, law states that refugees are to seek shelter in their next closest nation. So for those Mexican refugees who have been granted that status, they have a case and shouldn't be removed. The others (Honduras, El Salvador, etc) should be removed from the US and sent to another nation for their process to play out.

 

[Irish#1]

I think some of you are confusing multi-culturalism with diversity.

There is nothing wrong with a country having diversity but they need to have the same or similar cultures or you get Balkanization.

Bingo.

 

[Irish#1]

You need to be able to distinguish refugees (who have been granted that status) from illegal immigrants.

In addition, law states that refugees are to seek shelter in their next closest nation. So for those Mexican refugees who have been granted that status, they have a case and shouldn't be removed. The others (Honduras, El Salvador, etc) should be removed from the US and sent to another nation for their process to play out.

We should tatoo their status on their forehead. Quick and easy identification.

 

[drayer54]

DONT.BE.MAD.AT.HOW.IT.GETS.CLEANED.UP.

Honestly, this is all I see.

 

[Bantry19]

View attachment 3062614

Again...

The district’s seven full-time judges and 10 partially retired judges have been inundated by hundreds of emergency lawsuits from immigrants targeted by ICE during the operation. They’re working weekends to manage the backlog and juggling a crush of individual cases under intense national attention.

And in all but a handful of cases, those judges have ruled that the Trump administration violated the law, sometimes flagrantly.

From another article...

Patrick Schiltz, chief of the federal district court in Minnesota (also taught at Notre Dame).

Four years later, the mild-mannered George W. Bush appointee — known for his conservative jurisprudence, his clerkship with late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and his mentorship of future Justice Amy Coney Barrett — has been thrust into an increasingly pitched legal confrontation with President Donald Trump’s immigration forces.

Schiltz, 65, has publicly aired his fury over the Trump administration’s mistreatment of noncitizens arrested in Operation Metro Surge...

The clash is slated to reach a climax Friday, when Schiltz plans to haul into his Minneapolis courtroom Todd Lyons, the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, to grill him about the rampant violation of court orders that Schiltz and his colleagues say has poisoned the trust between the administration and the court.

So, no, ICE is not enforcing laws passed by Congress. They're a rogue federal agency.

 

[Bantry19]

Honestly, this is all I see.

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Honestly, you should try thinking beyond memes. It's juvenile, like something a 12-year-old would do (are you?).

 

[Bishop2b5]

Again...

The district’s seven full-time judges and 10 partially retired judges have been inundated by hundreds of emergency lawsuits from immigrants targeted by ICE during the operation. They’re working weekends to manage the backlog and juggling a crush of individual cases under intense national attention.

And in all but a handful of cases, those judges have ruled that the Trump administration violated the law, sometimes flagrantly.

From another article...

Patrick Schiltz, chief of the federal district court in Minnesota (also taught at Notre Dame).

Four years later, the mild-mannered George W. Bush appointee — known for his conservative jurisprudence, his clerkship with late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and his mentorship of future Justice Amy Coney Barrett — has been thrust into an increasingly pitched legal confrontation with President Donald Trump’s immigration forces.

Schiltz, 65, has publicly aired his fury over the Trump administration’s mistreatment of noncitizens arrested in Operation Metro Surge...

The clash is slated to reach a climax Friday, when Schiltz plans to haul into his Minneapolis courtroom Todd Lyons, the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, to grill him about the rampant violation of court orders that Schiltz and his colleagues say has poisoned the trust between the administration and the court.

So, no, ICE is not enforcing laws passed by Congress. They're a rogue federal agency.

One judge or one court disagrees with the admin's enforcement of the law. And yes, ICE IS enforcing the laws passed by Congress. You can disagree with how they're enforcing those laws, but they're still doing just that: enforcing laws passed by Congress. That people are suing to avoid being deported is common and totally meaningless as to whether they're being wrongfully deported. In most instances, it's just a delay tactic. Keep their case tied up in court and stay here until it's resolved, as opposed to getting sent home now. People sue over all sorts of stuff to avoid an outcome they don't want. Doesn't mean they're right or wrong, just using a tactic to avoid a particular outcome. What IS meaningful is how it all plays out through court rulings, appeals, and so on. Bottom line is that there are millions of people who are here illegally and US immigration laws say they can and should be deported. ICE is doing that.

 

[Bantry19]

One judge or one court disagrees with the admin's enforcement of the law. And yes, ICE IS enforcing the laws passed by Congress. You can disagree with how they're enforcing those laws, but they're still doing just that: enforcing laws passed by Congress. That people are suing to avoid being deported is common and totally meaningless as to whether they're being wrongfully deported. In most instances, it's just a delay tactic. Keep their case tied up in court and stay here until it's resolved, as opposed to getting sent home now. People sue over all sorts of stuff to avoid an outcome they don't want. Doesn't mean they're right or wrong, just using a tactic to avoid a particular outcome. What IS meaningful is how it all plays out through court rulings, appeals, and so on. Bottom line is that there are millions of people who are here illegally and US immigration laws say they can and should be deported. ICE is doing that.

Wrong.

Lawsuits brought by immigrants living and working in the U.S. legally and lawfully, who have been illegally arrested and detained.

That is no delay tactic. That is violation of the law on the part of ICE. Full stop.

"One judge or one court" is laughable. The federal district court. This isn't traffic court.

These raids are filled with illegalities and they are senseless. Try as you might, it's indefensible.

 

[NDWarrior]

holy shit that song sucks

It doesn't suck, maybe just not his best. Obviously written, produced and out the door in a matter of days which is not the way he ordinarily operates - He's a perfectionist and usually takes a long time to perfect a song, but again, felt compelled to get a song out quickly.

Also, the guy is 76 years old, but he's still The Boss and a voice for this country.

I think he already has a song out that works pretty well for what's happening - My City of Ruins, a great song.

 

[RDU Irish]

Wrong.

Lawsuits brought by immigrants living and working in the U.S. legally and lawfully, who have been illegally arrested and detained.

That is no delay tactic. That is violation of the law on the part of ICE. Full stop.

"One judge or one court" is laughable. The federal district court. This isn't traffic court.

These raids are filled with illegalities and they are senseless. Try as you might, it's indefensible.

Wrong (In my best McLaughlin Group voice). People get arrested and released all the time. Flooding the border and the system with millions of illegals is going to get some people caught up in the corrective actions. Blame Biden's handlers (we all know Biden didn't do shit). Lots of kid refusing to go to bed energy in the anti-ICE crowd.

Also - LOL at people putting entertainers on pedestals.

 

[Blazers46]

I think some of you are confusing multi-culturalism with diversity.

There is nothing wrong with a country having diversity but they need to have the same or similar cultures or you get Balkanization.

I agree and sort of disagree.

Fair. Obviously with diversity you get multiple cultures. Balkanization was the product of rejecting multi-culturalism. It was the failure to integrate minorities and diverse populations (understand the historical grievances), while embracing nationalism. Are we arguing for nationalism??

I don't think having different religious belief systems (other than Evangelicalism ), different foods, different ways of dressing, ect... is a bad thing.

Some of the hardest working, most successful people I know are Indian, Pakistani, and Serbian for that matter. Incredibly hard working people. The ones I know, speak a different language at home.

Some individual people can be assholes, as Drayer and Bishop are quick to point out with Latinos.

Aren't we at the point yet of judging individual people by the content of their character?

Also, mostly judging the modern Evangelical that sold out. Historically, Evangelicals were...ok.

I think a country thrives with a sense of national identity and shared values and beliefs with a common love of “country” or its people.

Recently (since the 90s) our values, goals, and identity have shifted. Why? Easy comparison for me.

As early as the 90s we were 80% white, 90% identified as Christian.

Today we are 56% white, maybe but not even 50% identity as Christian.

I’m not thumping my chest promoting Christian nationalism but what this county was even as early as the 90s isn’t what it is now.

So when you say Multiculturalism has not failed and say it’s because we are the world superpower, my response would be that we are a superpower not because of multiculturalism but we are a superpower currently despite a move to multiculturalism. Sure we had immigration before this but not at this level.

We have become tribalistic. And we have becomes tribalistic against the dominant culture… which happens to be and always has been? Yup, you guessed it.

This tribalism is what is eroding this country. People act like Christians or even wypepo are the issue and pulling the country down like we just got here. It’s a culture battle. I honestly think this country is on borrowed time.

 

[IrishinSyria]

You need to be able to distinguish refugees (who have been granted that status) from illegal immigrants.

In addition, law states that refugees are to seek shelter in their next closest nation. So for those Mexican refugees who have been granted that status, they have a case and shouldn't be removed. The others (Honduras, El Salvador, etc) should be removed from the US and sent to another nation for their process to play out.

I'm making a very narrow point. Those people are legally in the country now. No doubt Stephen Miller and our own self-proclaimed white nationalists don't like that, but that's undisputed both legally and factually. There's a legal process for removing them if the government thinks they shouldn't have that status.

Rather than following that process, the government had an explicit strategy in Minnesota of arresting them--often in unnecessarily dramatic fashion designed to generate attention, sending them to Fort fucking Bliss in Texas, rescreening them, and then releasing them in the middle of nowhere in El Passo when it inevitably concluded that, yup, they were still here legally. The explicit goal of that policy is to fuck with people enough that self-deportation becomes more attractive than staying here because, again, the white nationalists aren't happy about those people being lawfully here. Crucially, none of this is disputed. The only question in that case is whether or not the federal government can do that.

It is beyond fucked up. It certainly goes against every shred of moral belief I have from my Irish Catholic upbringing.

 

[GoIrish41]

As early as the 90s we were 80% white, 90% identified as Christian.

Today we are 56% white, maybe but not even 50% identity as Christian.

I’m not thumping my chest promoting Christian nationalism but what this county was even as early as the 90s isn’t what it is now.

The vast majority of immigrants are Christians. So your real problem seems to be that they aren’t white.

 

[Blazers46]

The vast majority of immigrants are Christians. So your real problem seems to be that they aren’t white.

I never once stated I had a problem at all with anyone specifically. If you read what I wrote I think my problem is the tribalism mentality.

 

[NDWarrior]

Also - LOL at people putting entertainers on pedestals.

LOL as you wish. I'm not putting him on a pedestal (as a political voice, that is), but, whether you like his music and lyrics or not, he is a voice in the general, cultural sense for Americans (for most of us human folks anyway) and what they experience and feel (that's called Art btw, and maybe you could give two shits about Art, and that is your right).

I still love and enjoy Bruce Springsteen and his E Street band - They put on the best 3-hour+ show in R-n-R IMO. The Boss is the best! Now, kindly bugger off.

 

[NDWarrior]

The man from the first story wasn't a US citizen. He was a former legal resident who had lost even that status. He claimed to be a citizen, but never was. He was ordered to be deported in 2006 for felony convictions of assault and illegal gun possession, which is why he'd lost his legal resident status. When they deported him, a court issued an injunction against it, but it wasn't delivered to authorities until the day after they had already deported him.

As for the three citizen children deported, they were sent back to Honduras with their families at the request of their mothers so as not to be separated from their family members who were here illegally. Complicated situation with decent arguments for both sides. Do you keep the children here since they're citizens? Well, who do you have raise them? Are there close family members here legally? Do those kids' parents want to be separated from them and leave them behind after they're deported? Do you keep the family together and send them all back? That's what they did. Letting the family stay, despite being here illegally just because they have an anchor baby has been a strategy for some, but one that's opposed by many people and clearly not supported by immigration law.

Sure, this was ICE shenanigans as they knew it was coming; the judge had already stated it was coming and to not deport him, but they did anyway.
The bigger issue is lack of due process and the right to a court hearing to decide on his case for U.S. Citizenship which he apparently has due to the laws on the books at the time he attained it per his legal case.

Yes, you are correct in general that this is a complicated issue, but again, ICE purposely played games and did not let the Father's legal counsel communicate with the mother to discuss his case for keeping the child in this country with him.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Sure, this was ICE shenanigans as they knew it was coming; the judge had already stated it was coming and to not deport him, but they did anyway.
The bigger issue is lack of due process and the right to a court hearing to decide on his case for U.S. Citizenship which he apparently has due to the laws on the books at the time he attained it per his legal case.

Yes, you are correct in general that this is a complicated issue, but again, ICE purposely played games and did not let the Father's legal counsel communicate with the mother to discuss his case for keeping the child in this country with him.

Due process? The guy WAS NOT a citizen. Period. Never was. He claimed citizenship in order to delay his deportation, but was never a US citizen. In fact, by his own actions of committing assault and illegal gun possession, he'd even lost his legal resident status. There had been a deportation order for almost two decades and he'd failed to address it. Only when ICE finally arrested him and started to deport him did he suddenly falsely claim citizenship and try to delay. He had due process. He had decades to attain citizenship. He had almost two decades to deal with his felony conviction that cost him his legal resident status. He had due process when he was convicted of felonies and ordered deported for it. Not getting a last minute stay of deportation based on a patently false claim of citizenship was not a lack due process.

As for the kids, they did have a legal right to be here, but their moms had custody and chose to take them back to Honduras. Should the dads have had a say in the matter. Maybe, but the mom with custody still had the final say.

The bottom line here is that the narrative from the left that ICE is just indiscriminately rounding up US citizens and legal residents or those who've been approved for asylum and deporting them is blatantly false. Every example you guys try to give turns out to not actually fit that narrative. It appears that isn't actually happening at all, despite the claims.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Wrong.

Lawsuits brought by immigrants living and working in the U.S. legally and lawfully, who have been illegally arrested and detained.

Wrong. That they're here legally is their claim, not established fact. That's part of what the lawsuit is about. It's what the court is being asked to determine.

That is no delay tactic. That is violation of the law on the part of ICE. Full stop.

Probably is, though. We've seen it over & over. A person knows they're here in violation of US immigration law, but drags their feet through the court system as long as possible hoping to find a sympathetic judge or wait for a sympathetic administration.

"One judge or one court" is laughable. The federal district court. This isn't traffic court.

A Federal District Court is one court.

These raids are filled with illegalities and they are senseless. Try as you might, it's indefensible.

That's your opinion, and a bad one. It's more than defensible. It's the law in action. If you're here illegally, you are to be deported. Period. It's how it works in virtually every country around the world. The difference here is one side is fighting tooth and nail against enforcement of the law because they oppose anything and everything from an administration they hate, and their side has actively encouraged illegals to flood our country because they shift the population in a way that will increase Congressional seats for their party if counted in the census. All the rest is gullible useful idiots being told they're saving democracy or being nice by opposing the enforcement of our laws.

 

[NDWarrior]

This great cultural and legal debate about the assimilation and deportation of immigrants notwithstanding, one thing for sure is that the admin is certainly trying to make sure we don't have fair and free mid-term elections:

- The FBI stole, I mean seized, the Fulton County GA voter rolls as part of a wider admin. push to fuel false claims of fraud; and now they can do all sorts of things to voters' registration with this detailed information
- Bondi tells Gov. Walz they will back off ICE/CBP if they hand over MN voter rolls
- The U.S. House Republicans (at the request of Stephen Miller) stripped an amendment preventing the arrest and deportation of U.S. citizens by ICE from the Homeland Security funding bill before being approved/passed 220-207 (gee, wonder what he has in mind?)
- The admin and Republicans are trying to pass the SAVE Act which will make it very challenging to vote, especially for those without a passport, married females, and mail-in ballot voters
- As evidenced by Pam Bondi's voter registration roll request to MN's Walz, the Federal government wants its hands on all states (esp. Blue States) voter registration rolls in the name of certifying them as valid
- Let's not forget what Musk and his tech team did to steal the votes in swing states; they are champing at the bit to get their hands on these tasty rolls
- Unleashing ICE/CBP brutality and intimidation across major blue cities

God bless our Republic!

 

[Bantry19]

Wrong. That they're here legally is their claim, not established fact. That's part of what the lawsuit is about. It's what the court is being asked to determine.

Probably is, though. We've seen it over & over. A person knows they're here in violation of US immigration law, but drags their feet through the court system as long as possible hoping to find a sympathetic judge or wait for a sympathetic administration.

A Federal District Court is one court.

That's your opinion, and a bad one. It's more than defensible. It's the law in action. If you're here illegally, you are to be deported. Period. It's how it works in virtually every country around the world. The difference here is one side is fighting tooth and nail against enforcement of the law because they oppose anything and everything from an administration they hate, and their side has actively encouraged illegals to flood our country because they shift the population in a way that will increase Congressional seats for their party if counted in the census. All the rest is gullible useful idiots being told they're saving democracy or being nice by opposing the enforcement of our laws.

You are speaking as if these lawsuits are hypothetical. They are not. They have already been decided upon. It's not that anyone can drag their feet through the court system for as long as possible to avoid the inevitable. It's, the courts have already decided, and these people were detained illegally.

A Politico analysis of these cases found 347 judges across the country rejected the administration's arguments in more than 2,400 cases. Just 20 judges agreed with the administration.

ICE has violated at least 96 court orders in Minnesota alone in January. Pretty funny to see the "you're here illegally, gtfo" crowd excuse away vast illegal actions by their favorite masked federal agents. IT'S THE LAW IN ACTION.

This strategy of surges of ICE agents swarming communities is not just wrong morally and legally, it's also incredibly inefficient, wasting time and money. So, why did it this way? Like IrishinSyria is saying, the cruelty is the point.

"The Trump administration insists that it can arrest anyone present in the country unlawfully without a warrant and hold them in mandatory detention without a bond hearing. This interpretation of the law abandons a precedent that has been in place for nearly 30 years. In response, immigrant detainees have flooded courts with emergency relief petitions, claiming their due process rights are being violated.

The overwhelming majority of federal judges who've ruled on the issue say the administration's statutory interpretation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), which governs immigration structure and enforcement, is flatly wrong, and that ICE is unlawfully holding certain classes of aliens, such as asylum seekers. "

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[Bishop2b5]

You are speaking as if these lawsuits are hypothetical. They are not. They have already been decided upon. It's not that anyone can drag their feet through the court system for as long as possible to avoid the inevitable. It's, the courts have already decided, and these people were detained illegally.

A Politico analysis of these cases found 347 judges across the country rejected the administration's arguments in more than 2,400 cases. Just 20 judges agreed with the administration.

ICE has violated at least 96 court orders in Minnesota alone in January. Pretty funny to see the "you're here illegally, gtfo" crowd excuse away vast illegal actions by their favorite masked federal agents. IT'S THE LAW IN ACTION.

This strategy of surges of ICE agents swarming communities is not just wrong morally and legally, it's also incredibly inefficient, wasting time and money. So, why did it this way? Like IrishinSyria is saying, the cruelty is the point.

"The Trump administration insists that it can arrest anyone present in the country unlawfully without a warrant and hold them in mandatory detention without a bond hearing. This interpretation of the law abandons a precedent that has been in place for nearly 30 years. In response, immigrant detainees have flooded courts with emergency relief petitions, claiming their due process rights are being violated.

The overwhelming majority of federal judges who've ruled on the issue say the administration's statutory interpretation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), which governs immigration structure and enforcement, is flatly wrong, and that ICE is unlawfully holding certain classes of aliens, such as asylum seekers. "

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They have not been decided on. That's why they're going to court. Many of these are people who claim a particular status, but may or may not actually be in that status. Basically, you're using a rather left leaning news source as your interpretation of what's going on. That's your right, but based on my own experience, their interpretation will turn out to be grossly biased and inaccurate, so excuse me if I don't take their interpretation at face value. Let's see how it all plays out. I want the law followed and I don't want anyone wrongfully deported. However, as we've seen over and over, many of these "wrongfully deported" claims turn out to be bs.

 

[drayer54]

This great cultural and legal debate about the assimilation and deportation of immigrants notwithstanding, one thing for sure is that the admin is certainly trying to make sure we don't have fair and free mid-term elections:

- The FBI stole, I mean seized, the Fulton County GA voter rolls as part of a wider admin. push to fuel false claims of fraud; and now they can do all sorts of things to voters' registration with this detailed information
- Bondi tells Gov. Walz they will back off ICE/CBP if they hand over MN voter rolls
- The U.S. House Republicans (at the request of Stephen Miller) stripped an amendment preventing the arrest and deportation of U.S. citizens by ICE from the Homeland Security funding bill before being approved/passed 220-207 (gee, wonder what he has in mind?)
- The admin and Republicans are trying to pass the SAVE Act which will make it very challenging to vote, especially for those without a passport, married females, and mail-in ballot voters
- As evidenced by Pam Bondi's voter registration roll request to MN's Walz, the Federal government wants its hands on all states (esp. Blue States) voter registration rolls in the name of certifying them as valid
- Let's not forget what Musk and his tech team did to steal the votes in swing states; they are champing at the bit to get their hands on these tasty rolls
- Unleashing ICE/CBP brutality and intimidation across major blue cities

God bless our Republic!

If they quit finding huge discrepancies in voting rolls and shenanigans, this wouldn’t be necessary.



Also- praise be our multicultural investment!

 

[IrishinSyria]

Article 1 judges determine status. Article III judges determine whether or not the government is complying with statutory and constitutional rules. These are article III cases, they’re focused on people who already have lawful status.

Like, one thing I personally think is awful is that the admin has been firing article 1 immigration judges they think were too lenient and replacing them with judges they think will find more people deportable. I think that’s shitty. But I’m not here pointing at that as an example of the admin breaking the law. It’s not.

On the other hand, I think a lot of the arrests in Minnesota were both bad policy AND clear violations of both statutory law dictating what levels of status certain people get and what that status means for them and constitutional law, especially the 4th amendment when people’s homes are being broken into without a judicial warrant.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I'm making a very narrow point. Those people are legally in the country now. No doubt Stephen Miller and our own self-proclaimed white nationalists don't like that, but that's undisputed both legally and factually. There's a legal process for removing them if the government thinks they shouldn't have that status.

Rather than following that process, the government had an explicit strategy in Minnesota of arresting them--often in unnecessarily dramatic fashion designed to generate attention, sending them to Fort fucking Bliss in Texas, rescreening them, and then releasing them in the middle of nowhere in El Passo when it inevitably concluded that, yup, they were still here legally. The explicit goal of that policy is to fuck with people enough that self-deportation becomes more attractive than staying here because, again, the white nationalists aren't happy about those people being lawfully here. Crucially, none of this is disputed. The only question in that case is whether or not the federal government can do that.

It is beyond fucked up. It certainly goes against every shred of moral belief I have from my Irish Catholic upbringing.

Quite narrow indeed if you're talking about refugees (a few thousand) compared to millions of illegals whisked in by the Biden admin.

Before you criticize the current admin for their policies, you should criticize the previous admin for creating this mess and call it what it was...dereliction of duty. And the sole purpose was to import enough poor people from the third world to create a permanent, long term majority in elections. All in the name of righteousness, caring, and diversity.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Quite narrow indeed if you're talking about refugees (a few thousand) compared to millions of illegals whisked in by the Biden admin.

Before you criticize the current admin for their policies, you should criticize the previous admin for creating this mess and call it what it was...dereliction of duty. And the sole purpose was to import enough poor people from the third world to create a permanent, long term majority in elections. All in the name of righteousness, caring, and diversity.

None of the riots and protesting and ICE in cities happens or is necessary if the left hadn't actively encouraged millions to come here and/or stay in direct violation of our immigration laws. And we all know why they imported millions. Democrats created this mess. If you came here or are staying here illegally, you are subject to deportation. Period. All the rest is an attempt to cheat and break the law, but keep the rewards without consequence. The left shit all over the floor - on purpose - and are now crying about how the Right is cleaning it up.