Time for new partner: Big 10 or SEC?

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I wonder if we keep going with that future yearly Clemson agreement?

Of course they will. There’s a reason they set up this series OUTSIDE the framework of the ACC. It’s no accident

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Last Big 12 national champion: 1984.

BYU and that was the single worse National Championship in the history of the sport.

 

[KPENN]

Last Big 12 national champion: 1984.

It would have been Texas in 2005 right? Or are you just using current schools?

 

[tirishman505]

The most under-covered story is that SEC was actually ass this year. The Big Ten had 3x teams better than all of their teams, and then ND/Texas Tech are also top tier. Georgia is very good. Everyone else is mediocre and really has no shot whatsoever to win a title and they got FIVE of them in because they only play 8 conference games which juices their records. Have Alabama play Texas, have Oklahoma play Vanderbilt, have Georgia play TAMU, and have Ole Miss play TAMU and see what their records are.

The ACC has/had similar problems with lack of cross play, but at least they play 9 games.

This actually ties into how incompetent the ACC went about with their PR campaign. Despite most the of the SEC fading down the stretch Sankey was up there pounding the table for including 7 teams in the playoff. I suppose he moderated somewhat because in October he was saying 10.

The ACC didn't promote GaTech, or Virginia, or SMU and really any other contender except for Miami, and even that was only in the last month. Their PR posture could be summed up as "Please don't leave us out". The league office can't do much about the quality of their teams but they damn sure control positioning.

 

[ulukinatme]

It would have been Texas in 2005 right? Or are you just using current schools?

Yeah, Texas is no longer there, so among the current Big 12 schools their last consensus champion was 1984...the newly accepted BYU.
If BYU hadn't joined the Big 12? Their other most recent champion is TCU...from 19 fucking 38! We do not want to join that shit conference.

 

[NDWarrior]

Everyone piling on... He makes some good points, but feels like ND can take it or leave it w/ the ACC so should apologize to the ACC (and that ACC should take a stronger stance w/ ND) and that ND should shut its "cake hole already."

I think he's forgetting that ACC being a lesser P4 conference doesn't give it all that leverage he's alluding to and that the ACC needs ND more than vice versa... Moron

Stand up and take a stand, ACC. Call Notre Dame's bluff after CFP brouhaha

 

[irish2104]

Guy is a mega hater… constant ND hate articles non stop

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Everyone piling on... He makes some good points, but feels like ND can take it or leave it w/ the ACC so should apologize to the ACC (and that ACC should take a stronger stance w/ ND) and that ND should shut its "cake hole already."

I think he's forgetting that ACC being a lesser P4 conference doesn't give it all that leverage he's alluding to and that the ACC needs ND more than vice versa... Moron

Stand up and take a stand, ACC. Call Notre Dame's bluff after CFP brouhaha

I do not see any good points. I say do it ACC please

 

[Huntr]

Guy is a mega hater… constant ND hate articles non stop

My favorite Matt Hayes story.

After ND went to the Champs Sports Bowl in December 2011 vs FSU, Hayes, then at Sporting News, wrote a column shitting on ND for being bad and having no place in the changing future of CFB.

His money shot in the piece was about ND going to "something called the Champs Sports Bowl," like he had never heard of it before.

There once was a time when Notre Dame refused to play in anything but a major bowl. Last December, the Irish played in the second-best bowl in the city of Orlando.

From demanding money to be part of the BCS, to playing in something called the Champs Sports Bowl. From anything you want, to very few options.

When the piece came out, the Champs Sports Bowl called him out, tweeting, basically, "Matt, don't act like you don't know who we are. You've requested press credentials from us 5 (? I can't remember) times."

It was one of the best shots of schadenfreude I've ever gotten.

Moral of the story: don't read anything from Matt Hayes. He's a disingenuous hater.

 

[stlnd01]

Everyone piling on... He makes some good points, but feels like ND can take it or leave it w/ the ACC so should apologize to the ACC (and that ACC should take a stronger stance w/ ND) and that ND should shut its "cake hole already."

I think he's forgetting that ACC being a lesser P4 conference doesn't give it all that leverage he's alluding to and that the ACC needs ND more than vice versa... Moron

Stand up and take a stand, ACC. Call Notre Dame's bluff after CFP brouhaha

"Shut your cake hole." Wow. Sick burn.

That column was nonsensical. Dude needs an editor.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

You know the more I think about just join the propaganda farm which resides in Birmingham, Alabama.

 

[NDWarrior]

Not sure if we decided if this guy is reputable or not, but earlier this month posted that it sounds like SEC is looking to add NC and Clemson to their conference.

If true, I wonder if PB is trying to get ND and Miami into that mix or instead of, but I know how most feel about ND actually joining the SEC.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Not sure if we decided if this guy is reputable or not, but earlier this month posted that it sounds like SEC is looking to add NC and Clemson to their conference.

If true, I wonder if PB is trying to get ND and Miami into that mix or instead of, but I know how most feel about ND actually joining the SEC.

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That dude is a hack... He goes back to 2010 predicting crap and is always wrong. He has predicted wild stuff.

 

[Huntr]

Highly doubt UNC goes somewhere w/o NC St. Their BoG basically wouldn't allow it.

 

[tirishman505]

That dude is a hack... He goes back to 2010 predicting crap and is always wrong. He has predicted wild stuff.

Yeah the WVU people laugh at him

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Yeah the WVU people laugh at him

At one time West Virginia had more “insiders” per capita than any state in the nation. Dude of West Virginia, errnation and this dude

 

[Mike Petrik]

I do think that the ACC does get a substantial benefit from having us to play their football programs that they wouldn't have otherwise. Think about what would have happened if Miami hadn't played us and instead had a non-con against UCF or some other low-tier P4. They would have been 10-2 without any quality wins and losses to meh teams. That sounds an awful lot like Virginia, and before the CCG, Virginia was #17.

Very long way of saying that there's a legitimate argument that without the scheduling agreement with us, y'all would have gotten 0 teams within sniffing distance of the playoffs.

I agree with all of this and never meant to suggest that the ACC doesn't benefit from its partnership with ND. It most certainly does. My point was narrower: that this partnership, however beneficial, will not save the conference's future. Only improved football programs will, and with healthy improvements the conference will thrive with or without ND. Now, will they able to make such improvements? Heck if I know. I'm lousy with predictions, especially about the future.
P.S. To be clear, would a ND full membership ensure the conference's future? Sure, any conference would enthusiastically embrace ND as a full member, but that is not on the table. ND will consider such a move only when it is in its best interest, which might be never. My point is that while ND's partial membership is beneficial to the ACC, it is not enough to prevent an eventual conference implosion. Only better ACC football programs will do that.

 

[stlnd01]

Highly doubt UNC goes somewhere w/o NC St. Their BoG basically wouldn't allow it.

Who would much want NC State though? What do they bring to the B1G or SEC?

It's hard to envision the ACC's core basketball schools (basically the North Carolina schools and UVA) being the first to go, even if UNC or UVA could. They're all pretty closely tied. Most of the far-flung newcomers (BC/Syracuse/Pitt, Stanford/Cal) lack much appeal to the other conferences, except maybe SMU to the Big 12. So they sit tight. Perhaps Miami or Ga. Tech, in a partnership with us, would appeal to the Big Ten by opening up big southern markets. But that's quite a parlay.

However, if Clemson and/or Florida State were to bolt, what exactly is left on the football side of things? Miami won't be enough. That's where the whole conference falls apart, with 15 programs out in the cold because of the actions of two. It's pretty fragile. And to our Duke friend's point, I'm not sure five games with us makes that big a difference.

 

[Dale]

NC State gives me American school vibes, Big 12 at best

They are unironically rivals with East Carolina

 

[thekid33]

The make-up of the teams "in the club" (the power conferences) has not changed much since the 90s. And, almost all of the new additions are in the reconfigured Big 12 (if we are even counting the Big 12 as a power conference).

If you were creating the Power 5 Conferences from scratch there are quite a few teams that wouldn't be included. They should be counting their lucky stars that they are and absolutely need to be jettisoned at some point due to what big time college sports (Football and Basketball) have become.

I'm on record as of being in favor of joining the B1G. But, at this point the solution to provide the most competitive and equitable college football landscape is the super league.

Football needs to look different than everything else.

At that point, you could just go back to truly regional conferences for all of the other sports, including basketball.

 

[Huntr]

Who would much want NC State though? What do they bring to the B1G or SEC?

It's hard to envision the ACC's core basketball schools (basically the North Carolina schools and UVA) being the first to go, even if UNC or UVA could. They're all pretty closely tied. Most of the far-flung newcomers (BC/Syracuse/Pitt, Stanford/Cal) lack much appeal to the other conferences, except maybe SMU to the Big 12. So they sit tight. Perhaps Miami or Ga. Tech, in a partnership with us, would appeal to the Big Ten by opening up big southern markets. But that's quite a parlay.

However, if Clemson and/or Florida State were to bolt, what exactly is left on the football side of things? Miami won't be enough. That's where the whole conference falls apart, with 15 programs out in the cold because of the actions of two. It's pretty fragile. And to our Duke friend's point, I'm not sure five games with us makes that big a difference.

That's the issue. The BoG has a majority NC St affiliated ppl on it rn. They know UNC is worth more/would get more $$ going to the B1G or SEC, while State might be a B12 school at best. They don't want that disparity in funding.

They had a bill to to tie the schools together conference-wise, meaning one couldn't go somewhere w/o the other. They also floated an idea where the media money from whichever conferences they are in is pooled, then evenly split.

 

[stlnd01]

I'm on record as of being in favor of joining the B1G. But, at this point the solution to provide the most competitive and equitable college football landscape is the super league.

Football needs to look different than everything else.

At that point, you could just go back to truly regional conferences for all of the other sports, including basketball.

This is the way. Super League for big-power football. Back to smaller and more geographically rational conferences for everything else.
The idea of Stanford flying its womens soccer team to Boston and Atlanta for games because USC wanted a better football TV contract is absurd. But here we are.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

The make-up of the teams "in the club" (the power conferences) has not changed much since the 90s. And, almost all of the new additions are in the reconfigured Big 12 (if we are even counting the Big 12 as a power conference).

If you were creating the Power 5 Conferences from scratch there are quite a few teams that wouldn't be included. They should be counting their lucky stars that they are and absolutely need to be jettisoned at some point due to what big time college sports (Football and Basketball) have become.

I'm on record as of being in favor of joining the B1G. But, at this point the solution to provide the most competitive and equitable college football landscape is the super league.

Football needs to look different than everything else.

At that point, you could just go back to truly regional conferences for all of the other sports, including basketball.

I want the SEC so we join the propaganda arm of the sport. Plus the games will be remarkable. The Big would be second if we must join. But we are getting closer and closer.

 

[Punky]

This is the way. Super League for big-power football. Back to smaller and more geographically rational conferences for everything else.
The idea of Stanford flying its womens soccer team to Boston and Atlanta for games because USC wanted a better football TV contract is absurd. But here we are.

The problem with the Super League is that virtually every FBS school funds their athletic programs with football money. If such a thing is created, it would most likely suck up all the media money. Anyone not in the Super League will be hurting financially. After reading the posts here from the new Dukie guy, I did a quick check of the athletic department budgets at Duke, and the football program provides 60% of their athletic department budget. And this at the school with probably the premier basketball program in the country. Yes, their bball team runs a surplus, but not enough to cover the expenses for virtually all their other sports. Any team not in the football super league wouldn't have any income to run their other sports programs. It could potentially devastate DI sports for schools not in the Super League

 

[RDU Irish]

How great would it be if ACC/B12 worked together to create a 32 team relegation system for football only. Mock the basement dwellers of the B1G and SEC and how they are too big to work in football. I think over time you can swipe USC and Oregon as they know coast to coast with Olympic sports is dumb and would rather have a west coast home for those.

Division 1
AP Top 25s
TTEch, Miami, ND, BYU, Utah, Arizona, UVA, Houston, GaTech - 9 finishing in AP top 25

Others receiving votes
Houston, Duke, Boise State, SMU, ASU, Louisville, Pitt cherry pick the next 7

Division 2
Cincinnati, Baylor, TCU, Central Florida, Colorado, West Virginia next six out of B12
Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, Cal, Stanford, FSU, UNC, Va Tech to get 8 more out of ACC.

Two spots to try and cherry pick USC, Washington and Oregon rekindling of Pac12 relationships. Maybe Vandy, Kentucky or Missouri entertain offers? If not find your best options between Oregon State, Washington State, Syracuse, Kansas, Colorado, Kansas State, OKST, BC, Syracuse. Worst case pillage the American Conference of Memphis, Navy, South Florida, Army types to fill D2 ranks.

Any given year Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Arkansas, Miss State are going to be way worse than the worst 16 teams - usually worse than most of the 2nd division too. That battle to stay in the top tier would be something else out of that crowd.

Scrap two shitty football conferences and make one great one.

 

[thekid33]

The problem with the Super League is that virtually every FBS school funds their their athletic programs with football money. If such a thing is created, it would most likely suck up all the media money. Anyone not in the Super League will be hurting financially. After reading the posts here from the new Dukie guy, I did a quick check of the athletic department budgets at Duke, and the football program provides 60% of their athletic department budget. And this at the school with probably the premier basketball program in the country. Yes, their bball team runs a surplus, but not enough to cover the expenses for virtually all their other sports. Any team not in the football super league wouldn't have any income to run their other sports programs. It could potentially devastate DI sports for schools not in the Super League

Valid point. I think it can be managed, but it would require a few important things to occur:

1) Colleges to commit to finding other ways to fund those sports. It's been so easy for them to just use football. If they really want to commit to doing it and are willing to get creative I'm sure they could come up with solutions.

2) That being said, maybe some athletic departments are bloated and things that are currently funded as D1 programs should be clubs or should compete at lower levels. Maybe only be D1 in a few select sports (like how Hopkins is only D1 in men's & women's lax).

3) Return to regional conferences - that helps the funding issue because travel expenses become greatly reduced.

 

[Irish#1]

I want the SEC so we join the propaganda arm of the sport. Plus the games will be remarkable. The Big would be second if we must join. But we are getting closer and closer.

I kind of prefer the B1G, but an interesting aspect of joining the SEC, is having those teams play in SB in November.

 

[TorontoGold]

I kind of prefer the B1G, but an interesting aspect of joining the SEC, is having those teams play in SB in November.

I want the SEC invite just to shit pump those tier 2 teams like Tenn/Ole Miss/Auburn/Florida who take more pride in being in the SEC than from their on field performances. I know they each have the capability of being top tier teams, but nothing worse than seeing them ranked in the top 10 in early October to finish 8-4 after being milked for quality wins by the bigger powers. I know I know Florida/Tenn can/want to be tier 1 teams but they've been hilariously inept recently.

 

[NDpendent]

I think ALL Notre Dame fans, regardless of their political preferences, should unite to push Trump to release the ESPNstein files.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Get 4 guaranteed SEC and 4 guaranteed Big 10 games per year. Then we have the Clemson deal, Navy, and 2 other fillers. Come on PB, a man can dream.