Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

Brian Kelly Revisited

  • Total voters
    382
rtrn2glory

rtrn2glory

Well-known member
Messages
16,163
Reaction score
6,450
Don't get me wrong you can tell the dude loves money and wants to win, but I don't think he loves to win. He wanted to be a national championship coach I honestly believe that, but he also was willing to take the easy way out to get there. Or what he thought was the easy way out. He's the perfect example of how you can get too old in the profession and just can't relate to the kids anymore. Which is what made what Saban did in Alabama so much more impressive to me.
 
greyhammer90

greyhammer90

the drunk piano player
Messages
16,819
Reaction score
16,078
Is there any other coach who has had his level of success that is generally disliked by every fanbase he coached without a major off-field scandal?

(I do not include Declan Sullivan as a scandal because I think laying that at Kelly's feet is gross exploitation of a tragedy to justify your sports biases.)
 
Cackalacky2.0

Cackalacky2.0

Specimen
Messages
9,023
Reaction score
8,018
greyhammer90 said:
Is there any other coach who has had his level of success that is generally disliked by every fanbase he coached without a major off-field scandal?

(I do not include Declan Sullivan as a scandal because I think laying that at Kelly's feet is gross exploitation of a tragedy to justify your sports biases.)
Click to expand...
The DS incident was an institutional failure from top to bottom. Whoever was in charge of Occupational safety and health at the school would have known you never operate a scissor lift in inclement weather let alone having it extended to the max height in windy weather.

The fact that Kelly and the staff required or at best “allowed” him to perform the work in those conditions was absolutely on Kelly. That did not have to happen but it never should have even gotten to Kelly in the first place as any competent safety officer would never have allowed that machine to be operated in that capacity in those conditions. Generally tragedies like this occurs for several reasons and none of them alone would typically result in death, but DS’s desire to work overrode his own personal safety even though he was live tweeting how crazy it was on the lift, NDs lax safety ops, and Kelly and staff allowing him up in the machine in those conditions with a complete distrgard for his safety all contributed to DSs death.

I can absolutely guarantee that if ND did a root cause analysis Kelly and staff would have been determined to have had a significant hand in the decisions leading up to the death.
 
Bane

Bane

Well-known member
Messages
2,303
Reaction score
4,844
greyhammer90 said:
Is there any other coach who has had his level of success that is generally disliked by every fanbase he coached without a major off-field scandal?

(I do not include Declan Sullivan as a scandal because I think laying that at Kelly's feet is gross exploitation of a tragedy to justify your sports biases.)
Click to expand...
Not that I can think of off the top of my head. I mean BK is ND's all times wins leader and is universally reviled. And it's not just fanbases he coached that hate him, everyone hates him. It's pretty apparent most of the media hates him too.
 
greyhammer90

greyhammer90

the drunk piano player
Messages
16,819
Reaction score
16,078
Cackalacky2.0 said:
I can absolutely guarantee that if ND did a root cause analysis Kelly and staff would have been determined to have had a significant hand in the decisions leading up to the death.
Click to expand...

Yeah but root cause is such a disengenious way of looking at these scenarios. I can do root cause analysis and make that determination right now.

"Did Kelly decide to have practice outside that day?"
"Yes"
"He made a decision that lead to the death."

The question isn't root cause. It's moral and legal responsibility. Brian Kelly is in a scenario where he has 100+ people doing their various jobs around him, many of which are dangerous by the nature of the sport he's running, and he has about 15+ responsibilities to focus on. Declan Sullivan should've been trained to know not to be in a lift in those winds. The keys to the lift shouldnt have even been accessible to him in those conditions. It was a systemic safety failure by the University (the kind that unfortunately happen to large institutions all the time), and I think it's crap to put it at BK's feet no matter how much of an asshole he is.
 
pumpdog20

pumpdog20

Well-known member
Messages
4,741
Reaction score
3,152
greyhammer90 said:
Is there any other coach who has had his level of success that is generally disliked by every fanbase he coached without a major off-field scandal?

(I do not include Declan Sullivan as a scandal because I think laying that at Kelly's feet is gross exploitation of a tragedy to justify your sports biases.)
Click to expand...
Fuck that, we lost out at 21 wins under his watch. He's not clean even with pushing the Sullivan stuff aside.
 
Jiggafini19Deux

Jiggafini19Deux

Minister of Delayed Gratification
Messages
13,475
Reaction score
14,201
Huntr said:
He didn't lose shit.

Taking that job was about money and he's ending up with a fuck ton of it.

That's a win if you give 0 fucks about anyone's opinion of you...like Kelly does.
Click to expand...
I think at the end of the day, this has always been a quality of his. He's going to walk away with a lot of money from a career that began in D2. He won more games than friends along the way and ultimately never really left anywhere having people feel good about him. His exit from Cincinnati rubbed their fans the wrong way, we saw how he handled leaving ND and what he said afterward, now he's been fired as the first coach at LSU to not win a National Championship since DiNardo.

In the end, he has his millions and couldn't really care less about any of it. I don't think BK has a sentimental or nostalgic bone in his body.
 
Poopsie

Poopsie

Member
Messages
53
Reaction score
40
greyhammer90 said:
Is there any other coach who has had his level of success that is generally disliked by every fanbase he coached without a major off-field scandal?

(I do not include Declan Sullivan as a scandal because I think laying that at Kelly's feet is gross exploitation of a tragedy to justify your sports biases.)
Click to expand...
Wow! You over think things. It is entirely Kelly's issue, in my opinion...but after all, it is just that, my opinion. That being said, I understand and appreciate your opinion.
 
IRISHDODGER

IRISHDODGER

Blue Chip Recruit
Messages
8,037
Reaction score
6,100
Bane said:
Not that I can think of off the top of my head. I mean BK is ND's all times wins leader and is universally reviled. And it's not just fanbases he coached that hate him, everyone hates him. It's pretty apparent most of the media hates him too.
Click to expand...
He’s also their all times losses leader which means he was good enough to compile both those records so good on him. But his winning percentage is what folks will use to compare him to the likes of Rockne/Leahy/Ara/Holtz.
 
G

GreenGemsOmally

Well-known member
Messages
339
Reaction score
442
Cackalacky2.0 said:
The DS incident was an institutional failure from top to bottom. Whoever was in charge of Occupational safety and health at the school would have known you never operate a scissor lift in inclement weather let alone having it extended to the max height in windy weather.

The fact that Kelly and the staff required or at best “allowed” him to perform the work in those conditions was absolutely on Kelly. That did not have to happen but it never should have even gotten to Kelly in the first place as any competent safety officer would never have allowed that machine to be operated in that capacity in those conditions. Generally tragedies like this occurs for several reasons and none of them alone would typically result in death, but DS’s desire to work overrode his own personal safety even though he was live tweeting how crazy it was on the lift, NDs lax safety ops, and Kelly and staff allowing him up in the machine in those conditions with a complete distrgard for his safety all contributed to DSs death.

I can absolutely guarantee that if ND did a root cause analysis Kelly and staff would have been determined to have had a significant hand in the decisions leading up to the death.
Click to expand...
You can read it yourself if you like.

Just keep in mind, Declan's family has a) asked that people stop using their son's death as a way to attack Kelly and b) did not blame Notre Dame for the accident AND sent more of their kids to the University after Declan died.
 
FOTY977

FOTY977

Well-known member
Messages
1,159
Reaction score
1,691
Bane said:
Not that I can think of off the top of my head. I mean BK is ND's all times wins leader and is universally reviled. And it's not just fanbases he coached that hate him, everyone hates him. It's pretty apparent most of the media hates him too.
Click to expand...
The sheer vitriol and loathing is strange and feels asymmetrical. I get it—he’s not a nice person and has plenty of meme-worthy moments. I like seeing him lose as much as the next guy. He wasn’t classy on his way out the door of multiple jobs. Many coaches have done the same or worse, and I can’t think of a more hated individual in CFB period.
 
IRISHDODGER

IRISHDODGER

Blue Chip Recruit
Messages
8,037
Reaction score
6,100
rtrn2glory said:
Don't get me wrong you can tell the dude loves money and wants to win, but I don't think he loves to win. He wanted to be a national championship coach I honestly believe that, but he also was willing to take the easy way out to get there. Or what he thought was the easy way out. He's the perfect example of how you can get too old in the profession and just can't relate to the kids anymore. Which is what made what Saban did in Alabama so much more impressive to me.
Click to expand...
I thought that too when he took the LSU gig. From listening to those on the ND beat, it sounds like he was always pushing Swarbrick for a big extension towards the end of his time at ND. Sounds like he was adamantly told “hell no”. He wanted one last big payday. LSU’s AD was just the idiot to do it. He could hit the links 8 out of 12 months. Let his staff recruit. Use the luxury of NIL & Portal to load the roster & cozy up to Finebaum for his weekly PR interview. Plus, he & Pacqui donated $1M of their own money to NIL so LSU had to love him, right? Prister seems to think he’ll find his way to one of the networks as an analyst but I tend to disagree b/c his Q rating has to be in the shitter. I don’t care how eloquent he can be in a tv studio, if 99% of viewers hate or don’t respect him, why pay him big bucks to be one of the faces of your CFB offering?
 
FOTY977

FOTY977

Well-known member
Messages
1,159
Reaction score
1,691
IRISHDODGER said:
I thought that too when he took the LSU gig. From listening to those on the ND beat, it sounds like he was always pushing Swarbrick for a big extension towards the end of his time at ND. Sounds like he was adamantly told “hell no”. He wanted one last big payday. LSU’s AD was just the idiot to do it. He could hit the links 8 out of 12 months. Let his staff recruit. Use the luxury of NIL & Portal to load the roster & cozy up to Finebaum for his weekly PR interview. Plus, he & Pacqui donated $1M of their own money to NIL so LSU had to love him, right? Prister seems to think he’ll find his way to one of the networks as an analyst but I tend to disagree b/c his Q rating has to be in the shitter. I don’t care how eloquent he can be in a tv studio, if 99% of viewers hate or don’t respect him, why pay him big bucks to be one of the faces of your CFB offering?
Click to expand...
Hate-watching is definitely a thing, make him go full heel and play a Bond villain type character? Maybe they’ll put him in a dunk tank?
 
rtrn2glory

rtrn2glory

Well-known member
Messages
16,163
Reaction score
6,450
He'll be on ESPN/SEC Network before the end of the year analyzing on campuses to try to put a band-aid on his image.
 
Jiggafini19Deux

Jiggafini19Deux

Minister of Delayed Gratification
Messages
13,475
Reaction score
14,201
GreenGemsOmally said:
You can read it yourself if you like.

Just keep in mind, Declan's family has a) asked that people stop using their son's death as a way to attack Kelly and b) did not blame Notre Dame for the accident AND sent more of their kids to the University after Declan died.
Click to expand...
I truly admire their grace and how they've handled it in the years that have passed. People go on the internet and use their son's death as part of an agenda to support disgusting narratives on message boards and social media. Its wrong and then some, which is an understatement.
 
Bane

Bane

Well-known member
Messages
2,303
Reaction score
4,844
FOTY977 said:
The sheer vitriol and loathing is strange and feels asymmetrical. I get it—he’s not a nice person and has plenty of meme-worthy moments. I like seeing him lose as much as the next guy. He wasn’t classy on his way out the door of multiple jobs. Many coaches have done the same or worse, and I can’t think of a more hated individual in CFB period.
Click to expand...
There was the tweet that posted here a few days about how the most important thing are vibes, and BK's are all bad. It seems like a "woo woo" but it's obviously true. Some people are just like that, BK is just unlikable. You can go all the way back in his career to the very beginning and people don't like him even though he's always been relatively successful.

BK had a 71% winning percentage at LSU and Billy Napier was by record the worst UF coach in 80 years but after they were both fired the reaction from recent and current players was night and day. BN got an outpouring of support from his players, hell his players fought to keep his job last season. There is relief in Baton Rouge that Kelly is gone.
 
2

2013Irish

Well-known member
Messages
403
Reaction score
718
Hot take, but I bear no ill will towards BK. I think he's a jackass and I don't feel bad for him, but he left the program a dramatically better place than he found it. After Weis got fired, ND felt the way that Nebraska feels now - a formerly prestigious program flailing for relevance. I'll always be grateful for the fact that he (and his players) restored the program to a nationally relevant one that wasn't the butt of jokes.

He also beat out Coach O for MFMF. That should not be discounted.
 
Last edited:
NDPhilly

NDPhilly

Philly Torqued
Messages
16,441
Reaction score
16,721
I respect him for going for it and not rolling over and retiring without a title. Obviously was rich already and didn’t need the stress of a new gig in his 60s.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top