Chris "Belt To" Ash - Defensive Coordinator

[GrangerIrish24]

Yeah I mean Kellys hit rate for DC's wasn't bad his only bad higher was BVG, offensive coordinators he had a good track record, it's the other assistant coach spots he was lacking in.

Elko
Lea
Freeman
Mickens

 

[Old Man Mike]

Another "vibe" I got: In Adon Shuler's moments in the presscon, when asked about how the D can do better, he did a lot of coach-speak BUT then rather spontaneously one word came out more than once: we need to play with CLARITY. and said "Clarity leads to Velocity." I believe that his subconscious was telling the rest of us that this defense does not have CLARITY about what they are doing, AND THEREFORE IS CONFUSED AND SLOW-TO-REACT many of the times.

We on IE think this too, but I was particularly interested that this comment came out of the mouth of the deep field captain of the defense.

And who gets the blame for "lack of clarity" for the players? That's different from lack of skill, lack of hustle, lack of intelligence, lack of physicality or conditioning. (I believe that our guys have the skill, intelligence, hustle, physicality, conditioning.)

 

[PutuporShutup]

So the discussion is Freeman needs good coordinators to have a good team, just to clarify?

Is there any active coaches that doesn’t apply to?

Freeman is not a Xs and Os guy by nature no, but he also stopped being a DC too early to even get to that elite point, he was a DC for only 5 years and done by age 35. There aren’t many (any) schematic gurus that aren’t heavily seasoned and gone through years of adapting and tinkering and development.

Yes, pretty much every great head coach. You should be able to develop great coordinators at times from within, or at least take a coordinator at a lower level/lesser team and help them become great at the highest level in college football.

Freeman clearly needs established coordinators/HCs that have done it with success at the highest level in college football or above.

I have zero confidence freeman is preparing mickens to be a successful DC at ND. Freeman couldn't help parker elevate, and i highly doubt this ASH attempt will be overly successful at any point. I do expect improvement over the first two games, but that's a very low bar.

 

[Dale]

Yes, pretty much every great head coach. You should be able to develop great coordinators at times from within, or at least take a coordinator at a lower level/lesser team and help them become great at the highest level in college football.

Freeman clearly needs established coordinators/HCs that have done it with success at the highest level in college football or above.

I have zero confidence freeman is preparing mickens to be a successful DC at ND. Freeman couldn't help parker elevate, and i highly doubt this ASH attempt will be overly successful at any point. I do expect improvement over the first two games, but that's a very low bar.

You just be saying things. Pretty much every great HC can win without great existing coordinators?

What changed for OSU this past year? Did Dabo develop Venables? Sark and Lane didn’t know how to call plays till Saban hired them? Kirby Smart taught Todd Monken?

 

[PutuporShutup]

You just be saying things. Every great HC can win without great coordinators?

Or your comprehension level is lacking.

Every great head coach doesn't need to have an established great coordinator upon entering the job to be successful and win consistently.

Tommy Rees, Clark Lea. They weren't successful coordinators upon becoming one at ND, then they had success with development.

Freeman needs a denbrock/golden, i don't think he can develop in the position a clark lea or tommy rees. Again, freeman couldn't do anything to help parker, and it looks like he's struggling to help Ash.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

You just be saying things. Pretty much every great HC can win without great existing coordinators?

TBF, this is an internet message board. This is where people go to "just be saying things."

 

[Dale]

Or your comprehension level is lacking.

Every great head coach doesn't need to have an established great coordinator upon entering the job to be successful and win consistently.

Tommy Rees, Clark Lea. They weren't successful coordinators upon becoming one at ND, then they had success with development.

Freeman needs a denbrock/golden, i don't think he can develop in the position a clark lea or tommy rees. Again, freeman couldn't do anything to help parker, and it looks like he's struggling to help Ash.

I understood your response. You just say thing like guys are falling down draft boards, Freeman is clueless schematically or great head coaches don’t need help from established coordinators with zero evidence/supporting points.

Roger that.

 

[Free Manera]

Belichik did it without great coordinators. But then look at his record without Brady…

It’s always the sum of the parts.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I understand your response. You just say thing like guys are falling down draft boards or great head coaches don’t need help from established coordinators with zero evidence/supporting points.

Roger that.

We're not writing PhD's. This is a notre dame message board. There's a lot of good information that comes out without proof/evidence. The worst part is people provide some pretty good arguments, inside info, opinions and you belittle them without even attempting to disprove. It's probably because you can't copy and paste someone else's work to rebuttal like you typically do when you try to make it seem like you're making your own point.

If you think Gray isn't falling down draft boards, cool, i provided support. Why do you think he's NOT sliding? If you think Freeman doesn't need to hire established good coordinators to be successful, cool, there's obvious examples saying otherwise provided. Do you think mickens would be a great coordinator right now under Freeman if he got the job due to freemans development of him?

Not every point you will be able to use AI to fact check.

 

[PolishDomer]

We're not writing PhD's. This is a notre dame message board. There's a lot of good information that comes out without proof/evidence. The worst part is people provide some pretty good arguments, inside info, opinions and you belittle them without even attempting to disprove. It's probably because you can't copy and paste someone else's work to rebuttal like you typically do when you try to make it seem like you're making your own point.

If you think Gray isn't falling down draft boards, cool, i provided support. Why do you think he's NOT sliding? If you think Freeman doesn't need to hire established good coordinators to be successful, cool, there's obvious examples saying otherwise provided. Do you think mickens would be a great coordinator right now under Freeman if he got the job due to freemans development of him?

Not every point you will be able to use AI to fact check.

Shh...Dale is upset as Chris Ash is his uncle...

Your uncle sucks Dale!

 

[Dale]

We're not writing PhD's. This is a notre dame message board. There's a lot of good information that comes out without proof/evidence. The worst part is people provide some pretty good arguments, inside info, opinions and you belittle them without even attempting to disprove. It's probably because you can't copy and paste someone else's work to rebuttal like you typically do when you try to make it seem like you're making your own point.

If you think Gray isn't falling down draft boards, cool, i provided support. Why do you think he's NOT sliding? If you think Freeman doesn't need to hire established good coordinators to be successful, cool, there's obvious examples saying otherwise provided. Do you think mickens would be a great coordinator right now under Freeman if he got the job due to freemans development of him?

Not every point you will be able to use AI to fact check.

You can have all the opinions you want. If it’s presented as fact or something I think is frankly BS, yeah I’m gonna call that out.

 

[PutuporShutup]

You can have all the opinions you want. If it’s presented as fact or something I think is frankly BS, yeah I’m gonna call that out.

awesome - and you provide no disproving facts, evidence, proof, points that you all mighty require.

It's fine, i think most of us get it, your lack of inside information or the ability to assess things on your own restricts you from having debate or even cordial conversations on topics unless you can copy and paste a link or copy someone else's work to make you seem knowledgeable.

 

[Dale]

awesome - and you provide no disproving facts, evidence, proof, points that you all mighty require.

It's fine, i think most of us get it, your lack of inside information or the ability to assess things on your own restricts you from having debate or even cordial conversations on topics unless you can copy and paste a link or copy someone else's work to make you seem knowledgeable.

I don’t take prefers using sourced material, statistics or professional opinion to support my own as the insult you think it is.

Shows over. Back to Chris Ass

 

[Dale]

Well when you put it that way…



***Copy pasted material that is not my own knowledge

 

[Free Manera]

Well lucky for me I prefer untrustworthy offense and orderly, peaceful defense.

 

[irishnd31]

I wonder if Chris Ash knows that he is Chris Ass on IE?

 

[Bane]

So the discussion is Freeman needs good coordinators to have a good team, just to clarify?

Is there any active coaches that doesn’t apply to?

Freeman is not a Xs and Os guy by nature no, but he also stopped being a DC too early to even get to that elite point, he was a DC for only 5 years and done by age 35. There aren’t many (any) schematic gurus that aren’t heavily seasoned and gone through years of adapting and tinkering and development.

My issue isn’t that he needs a good staff to be successful, every leader does. My issue is that Ash had massive red flags waving all over the place and Freeman hired him anyways. I get he was squeezed for time but this is now the second egregiously bad hire he has in his short tenure. We’ve lost two seasons (I’m not optimistic Ash will “figure it out”) on his bad hires.

 

[NDPhilly]

These stats are all worthless at this point with SOS disparities as wide as they are. I’m sure our Havoc rate would be near PSU if we played their schedule too.

 

[jpachuta33]

The fresh pile of shit my dog just laid > Chris Ash

 

[PutuporShutup]

Well when you put it that way…



***Copy pasted material that is not my own knowledge

so what does this mean to you? Or you aren’t sure or afraid to say since Collin Wilson doesn’t say it for you in his post.

Fear app state and east Carolina! ….. after week 3! lol

 

[SDIrishFan]

Belichik did it without great coordinators. But then look at his record without Brady…

It’s always the sum of the parts.

I'm now convinced that Belichik's success was 100% attributed to having the best QB of all time.

 

[Dale]

so what does this mean to you? Or you aren’t sure or afraid to say since Collin Wilson doesn’t say it for you in his post.

Fear app state and east Carolina! ….. after week 3! lol

No I actually have the ability to consume information but critically think, contextualize it instead of just making something up or grossly exaggerating something in an attempt to justify an opinion I can’t verbalize otherwise.

In short, it’s bad, not good. Hope that helps. Did it really go over your head I intentionally posted that right after our discussion?

 

[ulukinatme]

I mean Kirby may not call the defense but dude is heavily heavily involved during the game. Marcus might need to make himself more useful and start calling the defense

I honestly wasn't that impressed with Freeman as a DC in his sole year in the position here, but I'd take his input in a second over Ash's. Freeman was sandwiched between Lea and Golden, and I thought both were better in the position (Although I like Freeman as HC).

On paper the defense's numbers looked good in '21, but we also faced a lot of inept offenses. Toledo, Purdue, Wisconsin, VT, Navy, Virginia, Stanford, GT were all mediocre to bad offensively that year. I wouldn't even say a 5 win FSU or a 4 win USC were particularly great offenses that year either. Statistically the best offenses we faced during the regular season were Cinci and North Carolina. Those two were strong, but that's as far as I'd go, the others weren't big threats to score or they shouldn't have been. So Freeman looked good that year, but it wasn't hard to look good against poor competition.

I wonder if Chris Ash knows that he is Chris Ass on IE?

I have a feeling he already knows he's Ass, he doesn't need us to tell him

 

[Dale]

I honestly wasn't that impressed with Freeman as a DC in his sole year in the position here, but I'd take his input in a second over Ash's. Freeman was sandwiched between Lea and Golden, and I thought both were better in the position (Although I like Freeman as HC).

On paper the defense's numbers looked good in '21, but we also faced a lot of inept offenses. Toledo, Purdue, Wisconsin, VT, Navy, Virginia, Stanford, GT were all mediocre to bad offensively that year. I wouldn't even say a 5 win FSU or a 4 win USC were particularly great offenses that year either. Statistically the best offenses we faced during the regular season were Cinci and North Carolina. Those two were strong, but that's as far as I'd go, the others weren't big threats to score or they shouldn't have been. So Freeman looked good that year, but it wasn't hard to look good against poor competition.


I have a feeling he already knows he's Ass, he doesn't need us to tell him

Freeman is gonna take over the D and drop Traore into coverage

 

[IrishLax]

I wonder if Chris Ash knows that he is Chris Ass on IE?

20+ points to Purdue and his name is getting changed to Chris Trash

 

[ulukinatme]

20+ points to Purdue and his name is getting changed to Chris Trash

Don't quote me or anything...but I like "Ass" better.

 

[FU BK]

Who are these "mentors" giving him advice I always hear about? Nico Iamaleava's father and LaVar Ball?

Jim Tressel man

 

[ulukinatme]

Jim Tressel man

I would absolutely take a Tressel-like defense about now...just keep that ancient relic offense away. Denbrock has got a QB now and we're just starting to cook...bring on the big time WR talent!

 

[Dale]

Lotta flood with failed blitzes and/or DEs playing contain

 

[pumpdog20]

20+ points to Purdue and his name is getting changed to Chris Trash

20+ points and I'm removing his Iowa citizenship.