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[TorontoGold]

He's a completely phony. I would bet money those tears were more about him being scared about his own safety than sadness over Kirk.

That piece of shit said the US deserved 9/11. He's said Israelis are all fair game to be considered enemy combatants because they've all served in the military. Even people like Hila Klein who served over a decade ago and was just a secretary.

Destiny is undergoing revenge porn legal issues right now, so I would factor that into the judging of who's "worse". He also has underage allegations ongoing too. So I would put him in a different field than Kirk/Hasan even Fuentes. I think Fuentes is the most rotten person to a core but not sure about actual illegal shit he's done.

Respectfully I disagree with that being the framing of what he said, but I'm not a Hasan fan by any stretch so I won't argue to change any opinions.

Ok, I did not see any of his Kirk video, only one where he called for gutting people on the right.

You think that you were given the context of the comments in that video?

 

[ozzman]

You and I have reached very different conclusions to this point. I suppose we shall see.

Charlie Kirk shooting suspect: details of messages and gun casings emerge

Utah officials say they were contacted by family friend of Tyler Robinson, 22, accused of killing rightwing activist

www.theguardian.com

 

[Tejas]

You think that you were given the context of the comments in that video?

No I don't think I had the context of it. And I won't pretend that people on the right wouldn't celebrate him dying the same way Charlie Kirk died. Which is disgusting. And I won't pretend that I haven't had those intrusive thoughts about Joe Biden and his people when he was president. Then he got cancer and I felt bad for him. Because he's important to somebody outside of being a politician. Whether I think he's a 'good' man or not.

 

[TorontoGold]

No I don't think I had the context of it. And I won't pretend that people on the right wouldn't celebrate him dying the same way Charlie Kirk died. Which is disgusting. And I won't pretend that I haven't had those intrusive thoughts about Joe Biden and his people when he was president. Then he got cancer and I felt bad for him. Because he's important to somebody outside of being a politician. Whether I think he's a 'good' man or not.

I think you're a decent dude but if I'm honest, it strikes me as odd that you say 'martyred' instead of 'murdered in front of his wife and children'. Possibly you're just thinking of the dead, I'm thinking of the ones left to pick up the pieces.

This is the video you saw right? You can see in the video it's from 2022, and it was about how piss poor the Dems were in debating Walker in GA. He used wild language for sure but you can clip any football player saying "we need to crush them and grind them into dust" and then say "Oh he wants to kill the entire team!!!".

Me personally, I would not give you any grief if you were happy that Biden died from cancer. He is about 1024312 years old and would be able to say his goodbyes. He was also influential in some contentious meaningful legislation so he did have tangible impacts on people.

Charlie Kirk was 31 who got shot in a public setting. Who was just a commentator. He didn't directly inspire any extremists, like, say Richard Spencer.

I use martyred because he was a political activist who was assassinated. Probably the term his most diehard supporters would use.

 

[sixstar]

I will be awaiting the staunch defenders of freedom of speech to take a stand against people losing their jobs!!! This is not ok!!!!! /s

What about government officials!



We are all very earnest in our assessment of government overreach into censorship!!!! /s

How did I know that it was all a facade the entire time?

I deeply disagree with the counter free speech movement. Actually said this in a text with some friends yesterday:

 

[LifelongFan]

good news for everyone fired because the right wing snowflakes hate freedom of speech, this guy will surely follow through on what he said a long time ago!

 

[TorontoGold]

I deeply disagree with the counter free speech movement. Actually said this in a text with some friends yesterday:

Thank you for being consistent.

 

[NorthDakota]

Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin ‘deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology,’ Utah gov. says

NY Post (citing WSJ) says Utah Governor confirms shooter as a leftist.

I don't have a subscription to WSJ though. Edit: got the article. Didn't really go into it further like I would have hoped.

 

[Tejas]

View attachment 3060043good news for everyone fired because the right wing snowflakes hate freedom of speech, this guy will surely follow through on what he said a long time ago!

They were free to say it, now they're free to find a new job. If they had said something like that in the hiring process they probably wouldn't be there anyway.


Also, has the 'reply' button always been there?!?!!? Holy frig I just noticed it. lol

 

[Irish#1]

This is the video you saw right? You can see in the video it's from 2022, and it was about how piss poor the Dems were in debating Walker in GA. He used wild language for sure but you can clip any football player saying "we need to crush them and grind them into dust" and then say "Oh he wants to kill the entire team!!!".

Me personally, I would not give you any grief if you were happy that Biden died from cancer. He is about 1024312 years old and would be able to say his goodbyes. He was also influential in some contentious meaningful legislation so he did have tangible impacts on people.

Charlie Kirk was 31 who got shot in a public setting. Who was just a commentator. He didn't directly inspire any extremists, like, say Richard Spencer.

I use martyred because he was a political activist who was assassinated. Probably the term his most diehard supporters would use.

Never was a Biden fan but age shouldn’t factor into feelings about someone. My MIL was 100 when she passed. Didn’t make it any easier once she left us.

You’ll understand better once you get a little older.

 

[LifelongFan]

They were free to say it, now they're free to find a new job. If they had said something like that in the hiring process they probably wouldn't be there anyway.


Also, has the 'reply' button always been there?!?!!? Holy frig I just noticed it. lol

Case number 5 million of conservatives suddenly sounding like liberals circa 2014. This is the exact argument liberals made when conservatives were up in arms about cancel culture.

 

[Irish#1]

Tens of thousands join far-right rally in London where Charlie Kirk is being mourned

The “Unite the Kingdom” rally comes amid a surge of nationalism in the U.K., the rise of a far-right party topping the polls, and the murder of American conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Irish#1]

They were free to say it, now they're free to find a new job. If they had said something like that in the hiring process they probably wouldn't be there anyway.


Also, has the 'reply' button always been there?!?!!? Holy frig I just noticed it. lol

After Charlie Kirk's death, teachers and professors nationwide fired or disciplined over social media posts

At least a dozen faculty and staff have faced fallout over insensitive comments online.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[TorontoGold]

Never was a Biden fan but age shouldn’t factor into feelings about someone. My MIL was 100 when she passed. Didn’t make it any easier once she left us.

You’ll understand better once you get a little older.

I watched my grandparents deteriorate from dementia over multiple years. They were good caring people, which I'm sure your MIL was. They were not politicians who passed controversial legislation that interesting impacts on people's lives. When someone like Bolsonaro dies from whatever illness he will have, there will be people who are happy he's gone.

 

[Tejas]

Case number 5 million of conservatives suddenly sounding like liberals circa 2014. This is the exact argument liberals made when conservatives were up in arms about cancel culture.

Cancel culture about what exactly in 2014? Someone's gruesome death? Why would a business want anyone like that representing them?

I think sometimes there's a moral responsibility for people to just shut the fuck up. We've lost the ability to do that and gained the ability to vomit every though onto social media for the world to see and record forever. Not every thought is worth the dopamine rush.

Who's to say Charlie Kirk wouldn't become less extreme in his later years. I don't agree with everything he was.

Maybe I'm more liberal than we think.

 

[LifelongFan]

lol

 

[drayer54]

 

[NorthDakota]

Case number 5 million of conservatives suddenly sounding like liberals circa 2014. This is the exact argument liberals made when conservatives were up in arms about cancel culture.

The situations themselves are very different. But suppose they are not different at all, this should be a moment of celebration for liberals then. A victory that free speech can have professional consequences.

 

[GATTACA!]

The situations themselves are very different. But suppose they are not different at all, this should be a moment of celebration for liberals then. A victory that free speech can have professional consequences.

Who is complaining?

 

[NorthDakota]

Who is complaining?

I don't recall claiming anyone was complaining

 

[Blazers46]

View attachment 3060043good news for everyone fired because the right wing snowflakes hate freedom of speech, this guy will surely follow through on what he said a long time ago!

Freedom of speech only applies to protection from government. People still have consequences for what they say.

 

[LifelongFan]

The situations themselves are very different. But suppose they are not different at all, this should be a moment of celebration for liberals then. A victory that free speech can have professional consequences.

We had people mocking George Floyd in this thread lmao

 

[Blazers46]

lol

Who cares. Really. A politician being accused of being a politician?

 

[LifelongFan]

Freedom of speech only applies to protection from government. People still have consequences for what they say.

Liberals on Tumblr circa 2014

 

[Bishop2b5]

Freedom of speech only applies to protection from government. People still have consequences for what they say.

I'm always amazed at how many people don't understand that or have a clue what the First Amendment protects and doesn't protect, and why.

 

[Blazers46]

Case number 5 million of conservatives suddenly sounding like liberals circa 2014. This is the exact argument liberals made when conservatives were up in arms about cancel culture.

View attachment 3060043good news for everyone fired because the right wing snowflakes hate freedom of speech, this guy will surely follow through on what he said a long time ago!

Speaking of which, earlier this week some dude named Charlie Kirk got shot in the neck because someone did not like his free speech. I heard it was some liberal banging some transgender… didn’t know if you heard or not. Thought I was worthy to bring up since we’re talking about free speech and people bitching about it.

 

[NorthDakota]

We had people mocking George Floyd in this thread lmao

If you'd like to compare George Floyd and Charlie Kirk by all means... you have the floor.

 

[GATTACA!]

If you'd like to compare George Floyd and Charlie Kirk by all means... you have the floor.

One was killed by a lunatic the other was killed by a person of authority that half the country defended.

 

[NorthDakota]

One was killed by a lunatic the other was killed by a person of authority that half the country defended.

Tbh i dont think Floyd was killed by anyone but himself.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don't recall claiming anyone was complaining

Saying this should be a moment of celebration for liberals read to me like you were criticizing the way people on the left were reacting to the people being fired for their posts.