2025 Fall Practice Thread

[Fbolt]

I can see early in camp coaches asking the QBs to push past what they think they can do and make tight throws. I would imagine that time has since passed.

 

[irishu]

32.33 repeating.

Why would they announce? If Kenny, more ground base plan. If CJ, more air based. Too much of a contrast to tip the cards now.

Repeating of course

Great fucking reference

 

[CanadalovesND]

From all of Driskells practice reports, Carr has been far more aggressive with throwing the ball downfield. Lots of “wow” throws.

Minchey has been more conservative with the ball. Not taking as many chances in tight windows as CJ.

Worth noting that the interceptions from this mornings scrimmage, were not necessarily bad throws by Carr. Just great defensive coverage.

 

[Irish5Saint]

From all of Driskells practice reports, Carr has been far more aggressive with throwing the ball downfield. Lots of “wow” throws.

Minchey has been more conservative with the ball. Not taking as many chances in tight windows as CJ.

Worth noting that the interceptions from this mornings scrimmage, were not necessarily bad throws by Carr. Just great defensive coverage.

Of course Carr’s parents would say that

 

[AKRowdy]

With how tight lipped things have been. How or why should we believe these reports?

 

[allenm5333]

I should’ve been more specific. He’s definitely a risk taker in some aspects. I think he absolutely hates careless turnovers on offense. Obviously most coaches don’t like that. I just think he’s always going to have a hard time with a young qb and the learning curve/turnovers that are going to come with that.

Yes this covers it well. First year he had some blunders with game management. Learned from it. He is aggressive in mindset but doesnt condone recklessness on the field

 

[SoIll]

Arrowryan is the man and I appreciate his practice reports and post today but..

I’m still going to bet on CJ from what I was just told.

 

[SDIrishFan]

Think this might beg the question, which would u prefer from a starting qb?

QB1 - 17-25, 295 yards, 4 TDs, 2 ints

Or

QB2 - 19-25, 220 yards, 2 TDS, 0 Ints?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Think this might beg the question, which would u prefer from a starting qb?

QB1 - 17-25, 295 yards, 4 TDs, 2 ints

Or

QB2 - 19-25, 220 yards, 2 TDS, 0 Ints?

Depends on how good your rushing offense is. ND would be better off with QB2 by a wide margin.

 

[irishu]

Think this might beg the question, which would u prefer from a starting qb?

QB1 - 17-25, 295 yards, 4 TDs, 2 ints

Or

QB2 - 19-25, 220 yards, 2 TDS, 0 Ints?

Same number of pass attempts, so the running game is neutral in this argument. Give the opponent two extra drives from interceptions with no guaranteed outcome in exchange for two more TDs for the good guys? No brainer imo

But we have no idea this is the case with Kenny vs Carr. I would love to see an elite passer at ND again though

 

[stlnd01]

I should’ve been more specific. He’s definitely a risk taker in some aspects. I think he absolutely hates careless turnovers on offense. Obviously most coaches don’t like that. I just think he’s always going to have a hard time with a young qb and the learning curve/turnovers that are going to come with that.

To be fair they are both, effectively, young QBs. Reading between the lines, one seems more high-risk/high-reward, the other more conservative but also more composed. Given what our running game can do and the degree of difficulty of our first two games, yeah it seems to be trending Kenny.

 

[irishknight35]

I don't want to act disappointed if it isn't Carr because best man wins but I would be disappointed if it wasn't Carr lol. He's got the better arm talent but has to show the coaches he can run their offense (I would suspect Denbrock has to be proven the most)

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Conservative is good, but you still have to make plays and produce points. Especially if the defense has a Louisville type of game.

 

[IrishWayDomer]

Conservative is cute and can guarantee us a 10 win season and a 1st round playoff loss. Im not saying it has to be Carr but it cant be conservative Minchey or Carr.

 

[irishknight35]

Conservative is cute and can guarantee us a 10 win season and a 1st round playoff loss. Im not saying it has to be Carr but it cant be conservative Minchey or Carr.

I wanna see this "verticality" Denbrock has been talking about

 

[stlnd01]

Conservative is cute and can guarantee us a 10 win season and a 1st round playoff loss. Im not saying it has to be Carr but it cant be conservative Minchey or Carr.

How would you describe Riley Leonard's quarterbacking style? He wasn't exactly flinging it all over the yard last year.

 

[IrishWayDomer]

How would you describe Riley Leonard's quarterbacking style? He wasn't exactly flinging it all over the yard last year.

Elite rushing ability we won't see again, which doesn't apply here.

 

[mrmcgrail]

I'm all for taking the risks this isn't last year. You aren't going to get every 4&1 with Leonard like last year. You have to open it up more to get the ground game going or it's going to be just stacked boxes all day. Even last year the better teams we faced it was a slog to score. Georgia turnovers and special teams. Penn st wasn't until we were down and had to open it up. Ohio st wasn't until we were down and had to open it up.

 

[irishknight35]

How would you describe Riley Leonard's quarterbacking style? He wasn't exactly flinging it all over the yard last year.

But he was such a unique running QB that could save the team on 3rd and managible with his legs, that's not what I see out of either Carr or Minchey. Loenard was nearly automatic when he needed to move the chains with his legs.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I was not really plugged into IE during the last major QB battle, and maybe we haven’t really had one like this in the past two decades. But man this is one hell of a undisclosed source off in this thread

 

[stlnd01]

But he was such a unique running QB that could save the team on 3rd and managible with his legs, that's not what I see out of either Carr or Minchey. Loenard was nearly automatic when he needed to move the chains with his legs.

True, but, again, if we're talking third and manageable, I want a QB who'll see and make the reliable throw, not try to force something downfield into a tight window.
I dunno, I haven't really seen enough of either Carr or Minchey to know exactly what they bring and what they lack. But I have seen enough of Marcus Freeman-coached teams to understand why - especially going into a hostile night road game for either QB's first start - he might be inclined to go with the guy he thinks will make fewer mistakes.
Doesn't mean that's our starting QB 12 games from now, either.

 

[SDIrishFan]

How would you describe Riley Leonard's quarterbacking style? He wasn't exactly flinging it all over the yard last year.

Outside of the academies, that was about as conservative of a passing game as you can get IMO.

 

[irishu]

 

[IrishLax]

LAX based on your source do you have a gut feeling one way or the other?

Tbh I think if ND was playing Navy or Purdue Week 1 it would be Carr, but given the schedule I dunno. Minchey is not turning the ball over in practice and is just fine as a passer. Carr has an "NFL" style arm and ceiling and what I was told in the spring was that it wasn't really close in terms of who had more upside. I think what gives everyone pause is the turnovers + Minchey playing consistently well. Freeman is probably more inclined to go with the mistake-free QB and run the ball, I bet the offensive coaches lean more towards the more talented guy.

 

[NDohio]

There sure seems to be a lot of speculation being thrown around about Minchey’s lack of ability to be a play maker.

 

[irishu]

I was not really plugged into IE during the last major QB battle, and maybe we haven’t really had one like this in the past two decades. But man this is one hell of a undisclosed source off in this thread

Don't worry, this is ArrowRyan's source

 

[Fbolt]

There sure seems to be a lot of speculation being thrown around about Minchey’s lack of ability to be a play maker.

pretty sure that's not what is being stated. At least I haven't heard that

 

[rtrn2glory]

Think this might beg the question, which would u prefer from a starting qb?

QB1 - 17-25, 295 yards, 4 TDs, 2 ints

Or

QB2 - 19-25, 220 yards, 2 TDS, 0 Ints?

Depends on the 2 ints but man that's a tough choice 😂

 

[IrishLax]

There sure seems to be a lot of speculation being thrown around about Minchey’s lack of ability to be a play maker.

Yeah, which may or may not be true, but post-spring the word on the street was basically:

1. Angeli was told "we appreciate everything you've done, but..."
2. Minchey was very consistent in practice
3. Carr routinely made throws that Minchey just doesn't make and Carr has top NFL draft pick style upside

So the narrative was "of course the guy with the golden arm is going to win the job"... in many ways, this situation reminds me of the Wimbush era that was short lived. You had a kid with elite athleticism, a cannon for an arm, and a borderline 5-star rating and of course he was going to win the job over the smaller, slower, worse-armed #512 recruit in the country.

Fast forward a couple years and Ian Book is the winningest QB in ND history. And this kind of shit isn't even that uncommon. Stetson Bennett was a zero-star walk on who beat out how many elite recruits? After leaving to go to a JUCO and then transferring back?

If Minchey wins the job, he wins the job. It'll be because the coaches think he gives ND the best chance to win. And his arm is not chopped liver. I think what is freaking people is that every practice report is some version of "Carr made a few great throws sprinkled in between five thousand interceptions." It's not "wow Kenny Minchey is slinging it" or "Kenny Minchey is the second coming of Michael Vick." People don't want a game manager or someone who falls backwards into the starting job because the coaches are scared shitless about their decision making.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

I don’t really care at this point. The only thing that matters is who has the best handoff to Love and Price.