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[TorontoGold]

You already provided that for us.

As the Trial of Omar Mateen's Wife Begins, New Evidence Undermines Beliefs About the Pulse Massacre, Including Motive

The view that Mateen deliberately targeted LGBTs is almost certainly false. Yet it may play a large role in sending a potentially innocent woman to prison.

theintercept.com

Pulse shooter visited Disney, another club in hours before attack, widow's defense says

Four hours before he opened fire in the Pulse nightclub, Omar Mateen was at Disney Springs, court records show.

web.archive.org

Again the point of the conversation was never to say one group is better or worse than the urge. It has always been about religious extremism being bad regardless of the religion. And that only one really has the power politically to wield any power.

The idea that religious extremist Muslim's achieving any sort of meaningful power to implement Sharia Law in any western country is laughable. Kind of like when people thought Obama was a communist because black = woke.

 

[Blazers46]

Still waiting on column B.

I’m waiting for column A. His Column A examples aren’t close to being religious extremism.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You already provided that for us.

As the Trial of Omar Mateen's Wife Begins, New Evidence Undermines Beliefs About the Pulse Massacre, Including Motive

The view that Mateen deliberately targeted LGBTs is almost certainly false. Yet it may play a large role in sending a potentially innocent woman to prison.

theintercept.com

Pulse shooter visited Disney, another club in hours before attack, widow's defense says

Four hours before he opened fire in the Pulse nightclub, Omar Mateen was at Disney Springs, court records show.

web.archive.org

Again the point of the conversation was never to say one group is better or worse than the other. It has always been about religious extremism being bad regardless of the religion. And that only one really has the power politically to wield any power.

I provided you a headstart on column B, but plenty of others to point to post 9/11 and just in the US. That doesn't include attacks in other countries and foiled plots.

It feels like we're in week 3 of the semester and you keep asking me to revert back to week 1 chapter 1 of the book. You said you didn't understand why people in the US are concerned about the growth of Muslims here.

I thought an exercise (column A and column B) where you put the number of events in the US and the number of people killed on paper might shed a little light on that for ya.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I provided you a headstart on column B, but plenty of others to point to post 9/11 and just in the US. That doesn't include attacks in other countries and foiled plots.

It feels like we're in week 3 of the semester and you keep asking me to revert back to week 1 chapter 1 of the book. You said you didn't understand why people in the US are concerned about the growth of Muslims here.

I thought an exercise (column A and column B) where you put the number of events in the US and the number of people killed on paper might shed a little light on that for ya.

Dear Lord, I've already agreed with you Muslim extremists. Only difference between us on this topic is your refusal to recognize and acknowledge my points/belief that Christian extremism is a bigger issue in our country currently

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Dear Lord, I've already agreed with you Muslim extremists. Only difference between us on this topic is your refusal to recognize and acknowledge my points/belief that Christian extremism is a bigger issue in our country currently

Put column A and column B next to each other on paper and the majority will not agree with your stance, but it's yours to have.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Put column A and column B next to each other on paper and the majority will not agree with your stance, but it's yours to have.

I understand people won't, but that doesn't include what is getting implemented into laws because of it. I'm comfortable with stance and stand by it. Look at what's happening with Texas and the book ban bill because of some whack job Christians. Romeo and Juliet could be banned.

Bill to restrict school library books approved by lawmakers

Senate Bill 13 would require school boards or advisory councils to approve new books and review complaints. In most cases only 50 parents’ approval would be needed to create the oversight councils.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Bluto]

Far-right Oklahoma schools head Ryan Walters had nude women on TV during meeting: report — Advocate

Walters, a Republican, has often railed against sexual material.

apple.news

It’s amazing how consistent it is that people who are squawking the loudest about “morality” are complete hypocrites.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Far-right Oklahoma schools head Ryan Walters had nude women on TV during meeting: report — Advocate

Walters, a Republican, has often railed against sexual material.

apple.news

It’s amazing how consistent it is that people who are squawking the loudest about “morality” are complete hypocrites.

“The ones who shout the loudest are also the ones with the most to hide.”

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I understand people won't, but that doesn't include what is getting implemented into laws because of it. I'm comfortable with stance and stand by it. Look at what's happening with Texas and the book ban bill because of some whack job Christians. Romeo and Juliet could be banned.

Bill to restrict school library books approved by lawmakers

Senate Bill 13 would require school boards or advisory councils to approve new books and review complaints. In most cases only 50 parents’ approval would be needed to create the oversight councils.

www.texastribune.org

This is a poor attempt at deflection (national security vs education), but welcome to the tenth amendment my friend. Each state can do what they choose with education, and those officials are elected by their state's citizens. Same goes for gay marriage.

Draft a response showing column A vs column B post 9/11 and which side poses a greater threat to security in the US, I'll sit back, light a cigar, sip a bourbon, and watch the digital eyeballs roll.

A really funny and timely one liner came from my 3 year old daughter today. My wife took both kids to the grocery store. They passed by a woman in a burka and my 3 year old pointed her and said, "hey, where's your face?". And no, we don't live in Dearborn, and I don't care who you are but coming from an innocent 3 year old that's funny shit.

 

[TorontoGold]

What did Trump’s DHS say was the biggest terrorist threat in 2020?

Fun plot line - Where are the political spectrum do religious extremists typically land?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

This is a poor attempt at deflection (national security vs education), but welcome to the tenth amendment my friend. Each state can do what they choose with education, and those officials are elected by their state's citizens. Same goes for gay marriage.

Draft a response showing column A vs column B post 9/11 and which side poses a greater threat to security in the US, I'll sit back, light a cigar, sip a bourbon, and watch the digital eyeballs roll.

A really funny and timely one liner came from my 3 year old daughter today. My wife took both kids to the grocery store. They passed by a woman in a burka and my 3 year old pointed her and said, "hey, where's your face?". And no, we don't live in Dearborn, and I don't care who you are but coming from an innocent 3 year old that's funny shit.

Ahh yes states rights, the great argument used by southern bigots to be racist ass holes. The states don't get to determine gay marriage, unless you're saying you think they should?

 

[Irish#1]

Far-right Oklahoma schools head Ryan Walters had nude women on TV during meeting: report — Advocate

Walters, a Republican, has often railed against sexual material.

apple.news

It’s amazing how consistent it is that people who are squawking the loudest about “morality” are complete hypocrites.

Exactly. Just like those squawking about peace and love are the ones rioting and destroying property.

 

[TorontoGold]

 

[Blazers46]

Dear Lord, I've already agreed with you Muslim extremists. Only difference between us on this topic is your refusal to recognize and acknowledge my points/belief that Christian extremism is a bigger issue in our country currently

Your examples/links of Christian extremism wasn’t even Christian extremism. Alt right, sure… Christian, not even close.

 

[Blazers46]

I understand people won't, but that doesn't include what is getting implemented into laws because of it. I'm comfortable with stance and stand by it. Look at what's happening with Texas and the book ban bill because of some whack job Christians. Romeo and Juliet could be banned.

Bill to restrict school library books approved by lawmakers

Senate Bill 13 would require school boards or advisory councils to approve new books and review complaints. In most cases only 50 parents’ approval would be needed to create the oversight councils.

www.texastribune.org

Lol. A Poetic story of a 16 year old Romeo and a 13 year old Juliet committing suicide over a one night stand… lives will ruined not being able to read this book.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Lol. A Poetic story of a 16 year old Romeo and a 13 year old Juliet committing suicide over a one night stand… lives will ruined not being able to read this book.

Sounds like the Bible…

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Ahh yes states rights, the great argument used by southern bigots to be racist ass holes. The states don't get to determine gay marriage, unless you're saying you think they should?

lol here we go with the racism claims. I was speaking on my state of PA, which passed gay marriage prior to the Supreme Court ruling in 2015. And correct, I don't think the feds should be involved in any marriage. Or healthcare. Or education. Or abortion. Or energy.

Can you put Column A and Column B side my side and come to grips with why the majority of Americans would see radical Islam as a bigger threat than radical Christianity (if there is such a thing)? Is this something you're incapable of or just don't want to admit as being ridiculous as it is?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

lol here we go with the racism claims. I was speaking on my state of PA, which passed gay marriage prior to the Supreme Court ruling in 2015. And correct, I don't think the feds should be involved in any marriage. Or healthcare. Or education. Or abortion. Or energy.

Can you put Column A and Column B side my side and come to grips with why the majority of Americans would see radical Islam as a bigger threat than radical Christianity (if there is such a thing)? Is this something you're incapable of or just don't want to admit as being ridiculous as it is?

I said the south used the states rights argument to justify them being racist and wanting to keep slavery. I don't think the state should be involved in any of those things either. I think it should it come down to the individual. If that means the feds have to intervene to protect those rights then so be it.

I've already answered your question regarding radical Islam. You're incredibly uneducated if you don't think radical Christianity exists, or whatever term you want to use for it. I'll ask you again if your familiar with the KKK? I'm pretty sure you said you were. They would qualify for this

 

[Blazers46]

Sounds like the Bible…

Yours maybe, not mine. 😉

 

[ulukinatme]

Some scary stuff in Missouri. Makes you wonder who is making sure the Epstein stuff stays quiet across two administrations now.

 

[Blazers46]

Some scary stuff in Missouri. Makes you wonder who is making sure the Epstein stuff stays quiet across two administrations now.

Seems sketch to me. At the very least over blown. If they were hunted it sounds like they were close enough to be dead. “They knocked on doors” WHO? Unmarked cars… all cars are typically unmarked… unmarked police? Unmarked sex trafficking cars?

 

[RDU Irish]

lol here we go with the racism claims. I was speaking on my state of PA, which passed gay marriage prior to the Supreme Court ruling in 2015. And correct, I don't think the feds should be involved in any marriage. Or healthcare. Or education. Or abortion. Or energy.

Can you put Column A and Column B side my side and come to grips with why the majority of Americans would see radical Islam as a bigger threat than radical Christianity (if there is such a thing)? Is this something you're incapable of or just don't want to admit as being ridiculous as it is?

I know the some people hate the concept of per capita when holding certain groups accountable but the fact its even close side by side when Christians outnumber Muslims 77:0.6 in the US is pretty damning. That is even if you fully ignore Blaze's valid point. Colorado might be subject to some confirmation bias TBH.

2022 PRRI Census of American Religion: Religious Affiliation Updates and Trends

I love that they have to break down Christians b/w white and "of color" - 42% and 25% respectively. When I go to church we are all in the same pews together worshiping the same guy on the wall so whatever. God forbid we try to find uniting factors in our society.

 

[Blazers46]

I know the some people hate the concept of per capita when holding certain groups accountable but the fact its even close side by side when Christians outnumber Muslims 77:0.6 in the US is pretty damning. That is even if you fully ignore Blaze's valid point. Colorado might be subject to some confirmation bias TBH.

2022 PRRI Census of American Religion: Religious Affiliation Updates and Trends

I love that they have to break down Christians b/w white and "of color" - 42% and 25% respectively. When I go to church we are all in the same pews together worshiping the same guy on the wall so whatever. God forbid we try to find uniting factors in our society.

Also, it’s very disingenuous to say that the KKK is Christian terrorism. Sure the KKK manipulates and twist religion to excuse their behavior, but the KKK was neither designed or formulated to worship Jesus or to further in a Christian agenda or ideology. The KKK sole purpose was to hate people of color, full stop.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Also, it’s very disingenuous to say that the KKK is Christian terrorism. Sure the KKK manipulates and twist religion to excuse their behavior, but the KKK was neither designed or formulated to worship Jesus or to further in a Christian agenda or ideology. The KKK sole purpose was to hate people of color, full stop.

Sorry but you’re wrong, at least partially. The Klan was founded as a men’s, Protestant, white supremacist organization. Their purpose included terrorizing Catholics and Jews, along with persons of color.

 

[Blazers46]

Sorry but you’re wrong, at least partially. The Klan was founded as a men’s, Protestant, white supremacist organization. Their purpose included terrorizing Catholics and Jews, along with persons of color.

Sorry but you’re wrong… the KKK was formed after the Civil War by Confederate Veterans designed to resist Reconstruction and maintain white supremacy in the South. Their Christian symbolism was only a means to justify their actions and attempt to align to the mainstream ideology. Their inclusion of Christianity was more about power, identity, and exclusion. In 1865 95% of Americans identified as Christian so you could argue any and all groups formed back then were “Christian”.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Sorry but you’re wrong… the KKK was formed after the Civil War by Confederate Veterans designed to resist Reconstruction and maintain white supremacy in the South. Their Christian symbolism was only a means to justify their actions and attempt to align to the mainstream ideology. Their inclusion of Christianity was more about power, identity, and exclusion. In 1865 95% of Americans identified as Christian so you could argue any and all groups formed back then were “Christian”.

Except that you had to be a Protestant white man to join. I’m sorry but you’re mistaken. All you need to do is read the first page:

https://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1071&context=paul_bean_papers

 

[Blazers46]

Except that you had to be a Protestant white man to join. I’m sorry but you’re mistaken. All you need to do is read the first page:

https://digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1071&context=paul_bean_papers

I know thinking logically is hard sometimes but why did they have this requirement basically 60-70 years after they formed? Not when they were formed or how they were formed but 60 to 70 years after they were formed. Why not allow members of the Catholic Church? Why not allow members from any other Christian church? They were trying to appease and align with the Protestant Church, which they saw to be aligned more with their values than a Catholic Church, which they probably saw as being more open and diverse. I’ll never argue that they did not become a protestant/Christian group on paper But their design formation had nothing to do about Christianity. Their Protestant requirement was more political rather than practice.

Also the groups that opposed the KKK was… wait for it… the Christian church… Protestants/Churches as well.

 

[Giddyup]

The KKK is interesting history. Black Lives Matter white thugs were probably a bigger terrorist organization in the 21st century. Lot of dumb white people and paid protesters destroyed cities for a criminal on meth getting choke out.

 

[Giddyup]

Pretty sure that was a terrorist organization full of rubes funded by ultra rich white dudes

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I know thinking logically is hard sometimes but why did they have this requirement basically 60-70 years after they formed? Not when they were formed or how they were formed but 60 to 70 years after they were formed. Why not allow members of the Catholic Church? Why not allow members from any other Christian church? They were trying to appease and align with the Protestant Church, which they saw to be aligned more with their values than a Catholic Church, which they probably saw as being more open and diverse. I’ll never argue that they did not become a protestant/Christian group on paper But their design formation had nothing to do about Christianity. Their Protestant requirement was more political rather than practice.

Also the groups that opposed the KKK was… wait for it… the Christian church… Protestants/Churches as well.

Almost none of what you said is true. Firstly, the Klan required that its members be Protestants from its inception. Secondly, all Christians that are not Catholic or Orthodox are Protestant. The Klan’s affiliation with Protestants had to do with their hatred of Catholics. Throughout the history of our country, Catholics have been mischaracterized as not true Christians. That has led to bigotry and hatred that still exists in some circles today. Finally, I never insinuated that the Klan represented all Protestants. Of course there were and are Protestants that oppose the Klan.