Funny picture thread...

[SeekNDestroy]

I got these guys above Pete, but he is one of the all time greats. The Big Red Machine was something else.
Ruth
Gehrig
DiMaggio
Koufax
Aaron
Cobb
Robinson - Jackie
Robinson - Frank
Maddox
Trout
Musial
Williams - Ted
Bonds
Mays
Boggs
Gwynn
Ryan
Rivera
Bench
Clemente

I don’t follow baseball anymore but Mike Trout on your list surprised me. I know he’s a good player but I didn’t know he was better than Rose.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[NDRock]

I got these guys above Pete, but he is one of the all time greats. The Big Red Machine was something else.
Ruth
Gehrig
DiMaggio
Koufax
Aaron
Cobb
Robinson - Jackie
Robinson - Frank
Maddox
Trout
Musial
Williams - Ted
Bonds
Mays
Boggs
Gwynn
Ryan
Rivera
Bench
Clemente

No Mickey Mantle?

 

[notredamermotherpray4us]

Ted Williams
Willie Mays
Hank Aaron
Babe Ruth
Jimmy Foxx
Frank Robinson
Pete Rose
Mickey Mantle
Stan Musial
Reggie Jackson

Barry Bonds would be in my top 5 but not the way he did it. Imo if he wouldn't have took roids he would've still got close to 700 home runs.

Bob Gibson
Warren Spahn
Cy Young
Walter Johnson
Steve Carlton
Greg Maddux
Sandy Kofax
Randy Johnson
Nolan Ryan
Roger Clemens


Clemens would've been higher if he wasn't on the juice.

 

[Irish#1]

No Mickey Mantle?

My favorite player growing up. Thought I had listed him.

 

[Punky]

Remember that MLB finally included Negro League stats as major league stats a couple years ago, so you got to look at guys like Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige and Cool Papa Bell now when you talk about the all time greats. Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron, Ernie Banks, all played in the Negro Leagues before the majors opened up....

 

[ulukinatme]

Barry Bonds would be in my top 5 but not the way he did it. Imo if he wouldn't have took roids he would've still got close to 700 home runs.

Eh, I dunno...this guy with no PEDS hits 700 HR?

Around '97/'98 is when he widely is considered to have started taking them. Around that time he was in his mid 30s age-wise, a time when many players are well past their peak and are declining rapidly. Instead Bonds saw his HR a year go from 30s into close to 50s and one year hitting 76. He played for 10 more years after getting juiced, and I think we would have seen his averages start to dip rather than go up without the steroids. Hell, 26 is the average age most hitters hit their peak with only the very elite hitting well into their early 30s, but none are continuing to get better year after year in their 30s unless they're juicing. Makes you wonder if he didn't start juicing earlier than 97, maybe that's just the earliest evidence they had.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Eh, I dunno...this guy with no PEDS hits 700 HR?

Around '97/'98 is when he widely is considered to have started taking them. Around that time he was in his mid 30s age-wise, a time when many players are well past their peak and are declining rapidly. Instead Bonds saw his HR a year go from 30s into close to 50s and one year hitting 76. He played for 10 more years after getting juiced, and I think we would have seen his averages start to dip rather than go up without the steroids. Hell, 26 is the average age most hitters hit their peak with only the very elite hitting well into their early 30s, but none are continuing to get better year after year in their 30s unless they're juicing. Makes you wonder if he didn't start juicing earlier than 97, maybe that's just the earliest evidence they had.

He started using PEDs because he was jealous of Mark McGwire setting the home run record. Also, fuck cheaters.

PS The physician that Bonds got his drugs from also supplied the USC football team. He had a couple of sons on the team.

 

[notredamermotherpray4us]

Eh, I dunno...this guy with no PEDS hits 700 HR?

Around '97/'98 is when he widely is considered to have started taking them. Around that time he was in his mid 30s age-wise, a time when many players are well past their peak and are declining rapidly. Instead Bonds saw his HR a year go from 30s into close to 50s and one year hitting 76. He played for 10 more years after getting juiced, and I think we would have seen his averages start to dip rather than go up without the steroids. Hell, 26 is the average age most hitters hit their peak with only the very elite hitting well into their early 30s, but none are continuing to get better year after year in their 30s unless they're juicing. Makes you wonder if he didn't start juicing earlier than 97, maybe that's just the earliest evidence they had.

All good points, maybe I should have went with 600. My thought process on that was that around age 30 his body would've naturally started to fill out. Add to that that he had one of the smoothest swings I've ever seen. Him and Griffey Jr... and he would've still put up some big years.

 

[Irish#1]

Eh, I dunno...this guy with no PEDS hits 700 HR?

Around '97/'98 is when he widely is considered to have started taking them. Around that time he was in his mid 30s age-wise, a time when many players are well past their peak and are declining rapidly. Instead Bonds saw his HR a year go from 30s into close to 50s and one year hitting 76. He played for 10 more years after getting juiced, and I think we would have seen his averages start to dip rather than go up without the steroids. Hell, 26 is the average age most hitters hit their peak with only the very elite hitting well into their early 30s, but none are continuing to get better year after year in their 30s unless they're juicing. Makes you wonder if he didn't start juicing earlier than 97, maybe that's just the earliest evidence they had.

Hey now! Are you saying Judge is juicing? Lol

 

[ulukinatme]

All good points, maybe I should have went with 600. My thought process on that was that around age 30 his body would've naturally started to fill out. Add to that that he had one of the smoothest swings I've ever seen. Him and Griffey Jr... and he would've still put up some big years.

Yeah, maybe 600, best case scenario I wager. We gotta remember that he was confirmed to be juicing at least by the '98 time frame, which put him right at that mid 30s mark age wise. Even the greatest hitters that didn't juice show sharp declines at this age, guys like Jim Thome that were hanging around into their early 40s. Bonds didn't decline in his mid 30s though, he actually saw his HR production substantially improve at this point, especially the one year where he hit 73 HR which was more than twice his previous average. You have to figure he probably bought himself at least an extra 5 years in the league by taking steroids. If you stick with the 30 HR/yr average he had up until the steroids, and a shortened career to 16 years instead of 21, it comes out to 480 HR.

 

[ulukinatme]

Hey now! Are you saying Judge is juicing? Lol

Judge is still 33. The truly great hitters that last will hit well till their mid 30s and then you see a sharp decline. The average ball player peaks at 26, but the elite players can peak late 20s/early to mid 30s. I would expect in the next few years we'll see Judge's numbers start to dwindle, probably by 2027, maybe 2028. Now, if Judge's numbers really take off in the next few years...that would be a red flag

 

[calvegas04]

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Pete Rose wins the longevity trophy for sure. I Don't think anyone has more plate appearances and at bats than he does. Hits, obviously.

Top 15 player EVER? Based on metrics that's a stretch. Longevity there is zero question about it.

 

[ulukinatme]

Pete Rose wins the longevity trophy for sure. I Don't think anyone has more plate appearances and at bats than he does. Hits, obviously.

Top 15 player EVER? Based on metrics that's a stretch. Longevity there is zero question about it.

I dunno, I'd say he's in the Top 15. He has a career .303 Batting Average which is pretty good for anyone born after 1940. Aside from At Bats, the only guys that have more runs scored are the Babe, Hank Aaron, Ty Cobb, and Ricky Henderson. Other than Ty Cobb who played during a different time, he has a much lower number of Strike Outs than the other men despite having 1700 more At Bats than the next closest guy. I don't think he's the best by any stretch, Hank Aaron had twice the RBIs and 4 times the HRs for instance, but I think you can certainly make a case Rose is Top 15. I say this growing up an Indians fan too, got nothing for Cinci.

 

[Nor’easter]

Pete is ranked 636th for career OPS and outside the top 1,000 in slugging while playing what are considered power positions like first, left, right and third for much of his career. He isn’t in the same league as most of the players listed.

 

[NDohio]

Pete Rose wins the longevity trophy for sure. I Don't think anyone has more plate appearances and at bats than he does. Hits, obviously.

Top 15 player EVER? Based on metrics that's a stretch. Longevity there is zero question about it.

Yeah, I grew up just outside Cinci and was a regular at Riverfront stadium from 73 till 95 when my first was born. I loved Pete the hard driving “Charlie Hustle” that he was, but he wasn’t ever really the best player on his own team.

Fun to watch - glad he was a part of the Big Red Machine - gave me lots of childhood memories - not one of the fifteen best players of all time.

 

[MrNimbus]

I hate to say it, but star wars can fuck all the way off now. They've already destroyed what I loved as a kid. Now it's nonsensical gibberish with real world politics thrown in. And yes I'm well aware of the political implications of the original trilogy. That doesn't mean you have to bash us in the face with it every 45 seconds to appeal to morons in 2025.

 

[IrishBryan77]

I hate to say it, but star wars can fuck all the way off now. They've already destroyed what I loved as a kid. Now it's nonsensical gibberish with real world politics thrown in. And yes I'm well aware of the political implications of the original trilogy. That doesn't mean you have to bash us in the face with it every 45 seconds to appeal to morons in 2025.

Agree....but Disney destroyed Star Wars. I was born in 1977 so I grew up watching that too and NOTHING compared to the originals. Then Lucas went woke. Not that I have anything against it (just not my thing). 🙄

 

[calvegas04]

Agree....but Disney destroyed Star Wars. I was born in 1977 so I grew up watching that too and NOTHING compared to the originals. Then Lucas went woke. Not that I have anything against it (just not my thing). 🙄

Watch Andor and Rogue One... it's the best Star Wars that have been made

 

[IrishBryan77]

Watch Andor and Rogue One... it's the best Star Wars that have been made

Ok to your credit I have not seen either one so me being a fair person shall check them out.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I dunno, I'd say he's in the Top 15. He has a career .303 Batting Average which is pretty good for anyone born after 1940. Aside from At Bats, the only guys that have more runs scored are the Babe, Hank Aaron, Ty Cobb, and Ricky Henderson. Other than Ty Cobb who played during a different time, he has a much lower number of Strike Outs than the other men despite having 1700 more At Bats than the next closest guy. I don't think he's the best by any stretch, Hank Aaron had twice the RBIs and 4 times the HRs for instance, but I think you can certainly make a case Rose is Top 15. I say this growing up an Indians fan too, got nothing for Cinci.

He's the all time hit holder. Apart from that, nothing about him puts him among the greats of the game regardless of era. Other than feelings. The overall numbers don't compare to Ruth, Aaron, Mays, Cobb, etc. His advanced metrics don't put him near the Top 15 ever in terms of overall impact.

You can certainly make a case that he's top 15. It wouldn't be a very good one. His career, image and the gambling have made him a very public figure in the game that has been the subject of much debate. Put him in the HOF. It's a museum. Top 15 player ever? Not even close.

 

[notredamermotherpray4us]

You're really discounting the value of a hit in the game of baseball lol. He has 500 more hits then #3 on the all time hits list. That's crazy to me. I made a list on here earlier off the top of my head and I'd probably edit that list to add a few guys but it's kind of pointless. It's all just opinion and whose to say what stats are more important. Is a guy that hits .250 a year and hits 30 hrs with 100 rbi's and scores a 100 runs better then a guy that hits .330 with 10 hrs and also scores a 100 runs and has a 100 rbis? Or are either of those guys more important then I pitcher that consistently wins over 20 games a year? I have no clue...

 

[Sea Turtle]

He also won a couple of world series, yes?

What was his performance in those playoff years? The playoffs in general?

I honestly don't know but titles do or should count.

 

[SWirishfan]

As much as I hate to change the subject away from Pete Rose, please enjoy Curiosity taking a selfie with the Martian Night Sky.

Edit
I am an astronomy geek and I love stuff like this. It sparks my, errr, curiosity (small c) that I cannot identify anything in these night skies.
The distance between earth and Mars at this point is about 150M miles (1.6x the mean earth-sun distance or 13.5 light minutes), not terribly much in galactic or even Solar system scales. Parallax should not be that much of an issue.

Yet the stars do not seem to align.
I think it is a longish exposure, possible while on the move, given that many objects are not dots but arcs.
That might mean that the energetic looking clouds in the top half of the frame are nowhere near as visible as they appear to be.
Those clouds are also covering great swaths of the sky, possibly obscuring those familiar and comforting constellations.

 

[Irish#1]

Mods should move the Rose discussion to the baseball thread.

 

[SDIrishFan]

As much as I hate to change the subject away from Pete Rose, please enjoy Curiosity taking a selfie with the Martian Night Sky.

Edit
I am an astronomy geek and I love stuff like this. It sparks my, errr, curiosity (small c) that I cannot identify anything in these night skies.
The distance between earth and Mars at this point is about 150M miles (1.6x the mean earth-sun distance or 13.5 light minutes), not terribly much in galactic or even Solar system scales. Parallax should not be that much of an issue.

Yet the stars do not seem to align.
I think it is a longish exposure, possible while on the move, given that many objects are not dots but arcs.
That might mean that the energetic looking clouds in the top half of the frame are nowhere near as visible as they appear to be.
Those clouds are also covering great swaths of the sky, possibly obscuring those familiar and comforting constellations.


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This photo was proven to be fake, unfortunately.

 

[SWirishfan]

This photo was proven to be fake, unfortunately.

I guess I am both disappointed and relieved.

 

[Valpodoc85]

https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/s/kcMoFjhPfE

 

[Bishop2b5]

When you can't spell Worcestershire