Pope Francis has died at 88

[INLaw]

Not me.

The majority of people in her district really seem to dig her vibe every couple of years, though, so there's that.

I feel like her constituents are pretty much just Early Cuyler and the rest of the cartoon cast of squidbillies.

 

[NDVirginia19]

As for the Africans being conservative, I don't know. I haven't looked into them much. I know Sarah is painted as conservative because he was a critic of Francis. I just think it would be cool if the Pope looked more like the universal church and less like the European/American church. Hence, my thought about rooting for someone from Asia or Africa.

I think an African Pope would be excellent for the global Catholic family because of how vibrant and successful the African Catholic churches have been in spreading the faith. African congregations are vastly surpassing the rest of the world in ordinations and welcoming more Catholics into the faith, and they have incredible mass attendance rates. I think it would be something that the Catholic world could benefit from. What they are doing is working.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[thekid33]

Depending on when the conclave begins and how long it lasts it's not unreasonable to think that the new Pope could be chosen on May 13th.

That's a significant date related to Fatima and also the assassination attempt against John Paul II.

Could be something. Could be nothing. But, I was just struck by that realization.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I've read a lot about Fatima. No sale on relevance.

People apparently love to be frightened by things going bump in the night.

St. Francis said: Even if you absolutely knew Christ and The End were nigh, keep tending your own garden.

 

[GATTACA!]

 

[NDPhilly]

EWTN live stream of the funeral

 

[calvegas04]

 

[Old Man Mike]

I don't know about specific naming Vance on this false theology (I don't believe that Francis named him --- although he did send an advisor to Vance to explain how wrong he was), but back in February Vance made erroneous theological statements rationalizing his desire to treat immigrant harshly beyond the Doctrine of Christ's Good Samaritan parable, and Pope Francis had to correct him about that, and inform the US Bishops not to honor this false interpretation. So, although Vance's views are perhaps not "fake" views (he certainly seems to believe them himself, since they suit his politics), those views are not coherent with Catholic views.

 

[NDPhilly]

What is the proper Catholic response when the previous administration floods the country with 15 Million+ migrants over a 4 year period against the will of the public, at a cost of $70 Billion a year of taxpayer money and increased crime? Are we supposed to go “ah well they are already here” in perpetuity?

Should we allow in 30 million? 75 million? 200 million? I get where Francis is coming from (be kind to those in need etc) but at some point a line in the sand has to be drawn.

 

[DomeFieldAdvantage]

What is the proper Catholic response when the previous administration floods the country with 15 Million+ migrants over a 4 year period against the will of the public, at a cost of $70 Billion a year of taxpayer money and increased crime? Are we supposed to go “ah well they are already here” in perpetuity?

Should we allow in 30 million? 75 million? 200 million? I get where Francis is coming from (be kind to those in need etc) but at some point a line in the sand has to be drawn.

Do you want the actual answer to that question or the one that makes you feel like there isn't an inherent contraction in your nationalist and Catholic identities?

 

[TheRealLynch51]

What is the proper Catholic response when the previous administration floods the country with 15 Million+ migrants over a 4 year period against the will of the public, at a cost of $70 Billion a year of taxpayer money and increased crime? Are we supposed to go “ah well they are already here” in perpetuity?

Should we allow in 30 million? 75 million? 200 million? I get where Francis is coming from (be kind to those in need etc) but at some point a line in the sand has to be drawn.

It's almost like..... and stay with me on this.... a religious missive to help others is completely separate from US politics. But hey, if you want to conflate the two, go for it. Hahaha

 

[greyhammer90]

What is the proper Catholic response when the previous administration floods the country with 15 Million+ migrants over a 4 year period against the will of the public, at a cost of $70 Billion a year of taxpayer money and increased crime? Are we supposed to go “ah well they are already here” in perpetuity?

Should we allow in 30 million? 75 million? 200 million? I get where Francis is coming from (be kind to those in need etc) but at some point a line in the sand has to be drawn.

I wont pretend to being among the most well read religious scholars here, but I don't think Jesus's command to "love thy neighbor as yourself" is subject to relative tax expenditure. I also think the language in Matthew 25:31-46 is pretty clear about expectations for how we treat strangers and other "lessers" and the consequences for not doing so.

 

[Poopsie]

I don't know about specific naming Vance on this false theology (I don't believe that Francis named him --- although he did send an advisor to Vance to explain how wrong he was), but back in February Vance made erroneous theological statements rationalizing his desire to treat immigrant harshly beyond the Doctrine of Christ's Good Samaritan parable, and Pope Francis had to correct him about that, and inform the US Bishops not to honor this false interpretation. So, although Vance's views are perhaps not "fake" views (he certainly seems to believe them himself, since they suit his politics), those views are not coherent with Catholic views.

False Theology...you believe or you don't believe.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I don't know that this needs clarification so I apologize for wasting time, but:
1. Vance claims to be Catholic and to make choices according to Catholic Church positions and theology;
2. He goes to Rome and talks to Francis about immigration, saying that he is basing his position on that topic precisely on a (he names it in Latin) Catholic theological statement on some particular aspects of moral choice making; i.e. he claims to be making a statement of Catholic theology;
3. Pope Francis tells him that his interpretation on this is NOT Catholic teaching as he says; i.e. it is a statement of False theology as far as Catholicism is concerned;
4. Vance makes his own claims public and sends them also to the US Bishops in an attempt to persuade them that he is on the Church's side on this and they have not been;
5. Francis warns US Bishops that Vance's view does not correlate with Catholic teaching.

 

[calvegas04]

 

[Irish du Nord]

This cannot be real

 

[stlnd01]

It's an interesting thought exercise, whether the world would be better/worse off with Trump as President of the United States or Trump as Pope.

 

[forkbeard3777]

It's an interesting thought exercise, whether the world would be better/worse off with Trump as President of the United States or Trump as Pope.

Yeah, Trump instructing me on issues of faith and morals … sign me up! 😂

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

This cannot be real

Really hard to tell anymore.

It really really fucking is hard to tell anymore.

 

[gregm83]

It's an interesting thought exercise, whether the world would be better/worse off with Trump as President of the United States or Trump as Pope.

This question has ruined my group thread for several hours.
Trump would lead another crusade for Jerusalem

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

None of this is really that complicated.

Care for the sick. Treat our elderly well. Give children an opportunity. Help the poor.

Not that hard.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

None of this is really that complicated.

Care for the sick. Treat our elderly well. Give children an opportunity. Help the poor.

Not that hard.

Spread the good news of salvation maybe should be listed.

 

[NDpendent]

Really hard to tell anymore.

It really really fucking is hard to tell anymore.

It's not real. There is literally only one requirement to be selected as pope and he does not meet that sole requirement. You have to be a baptized Catholic.

 

[GATTACA!]

It's not real. There is literally only one requirement to be selected as pope and he does not meet that requirement. You have to be a baptized Catholic.

He’s not qualified for his current office either. Rules don’t apply to him.

 

[50milesSE ND]

Best President in very long time! Francis was no Saint!!

 

[Irish du Nord]

It's not real. There is literally only one requirement to be selected as pope and he does not meet that sole requirement. You have to be a baptized Catholic.

I should've been more clear, did Lindsey Graham actually tweet that?

 

[calvegas04]

I should've been more clear, did Lindsey Graham actually tweet that?

He did

 

[Irish du Nord]

He did

Unbelievable.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]