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It's based on that decently high percentage of cops beat their wives, and because I experienced it first hand. I've worked thru my trauma regarding it and like I said I don't have any issues with police and respect the work that they do
Except… deport them. You want to also deport military and those in the medical profession? Or really anyone in a high stress job that has a higher rate of domestic abuse? Or do we just care about your trauma/life experiences?
 
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Except… depart them. You want to also deport military and those in the medical profession? Or really anyone in a high stress job that has a higher rate of domestic abuse? Or do we just care about your trauma/life experiences?
Like I already said I was being a bit tongue in check and made up a hypothetical situation based on trump talking about deporting citizens. Don't get your panties in bunch dude, everyone else has seemed to understand what I meant besides you
 

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Like I already said I was being a bit tongue in check and made up a hypothetical situation based on trump talking about deporting citizens. Don't get your panties in bunch dude, everyone else has seemed to understand what I meant besides you
My underware is in a bunch… not my panties… just to be clear. 😉
 

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Also… cops don’t like wife beaters typically. They are more of a liability than anything.
Then explain why they are wife beaters at a much higher rate than the general population?

 

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Then explain why they are wife beaters at a much higher rate than the general population?

Stress. It’s not because they sit around the donut shop bragging about how they smacked around their wife. Military and medical professionals are high on that list as well.
 

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Also… cops don’t like wife beaters typically. They are more of a liability than anything.
I'm sure teachers writ large don't like colleagues sleeping with minors but it doesn't change that it's a problem in that profession relative to others.

Not saying it's a perfect comparison by any stretch as being remotely romantic in any way with minors is a dealbreaker, cut and dry.

Domestic issues (putting it kindly) involve a lot more he said/she said and is much more of a spectrum.
 

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Stress. It’s not because they sit around the donut shop bragging about how they smacked around their wife. Military and medical professionals are high on that list as well.
I would be curious if the profession itself attracts a certain type of person to.
 
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I had not considered this. I'm inclined to agree.
The biggest issues that I've seen from being around police for the majority of my life, are ex military, way too short of training periods, as well as police officers not living in the communities they serve. Taking steps to resolve those issues would go a long way towards resolving a lot of the issues we see in the police force currently
 

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The biggest issues that I've seen from being around police for the majority of my life, are ex military, way too short of training periods, as well as police officers not living in the communities they serve. Taking steps to resolve those issues would go a long way towards resolving a lot of the issues we see in the police force currently
I will take you at your word there, because jobs like that come with a lot of responsibility and the potential for legit bad shit to happen. The Daniel Shaver (i think his name) video kinda blackpilled me on that. Obviously that's one example and there are many others that don't go viral or anything. I think it's important to also give some grace to people working a job like that.

But ensuring those people have adequate training and stuff like you said could prevent some of those incidents. We live in a giant country with all sorts of problems in different cities, towns, regions, etc. so I don't know how to address it or if its possible but trying to fix issues is always good. That can be attempted at the municipal, county, state, federal level as appropriate. I think the more localized it can be the better. But I'm not opposed to state or federal classes/programs to help those guys and gals to better prepared for things (only so much you can do) or sending them to shrinks or therapists or whatever to help them out.

Tough to balance things at times.
 
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I will take you at your word there, because jobs like that come with a lot of responsibility and the potential for legit bad shit to happen. The Daniel Shaver (i think his name) video kinda blackpilled me on that. Obviously that's one example and there are many others that don't go viral or anything. I think it's important to also give some grace to people working a job like that.

But ensuring those people have adequate training and stuff like you said could prevent some of those incidents. We live in a giant country with all sorts of problems in different cities, towns, regions, etc. so I don't know how to address it or if its possible but trying to fix issues is always good. That can be attempted at the municipal, county, state, federal level as appropriate. I think the more localized it can be the better. But I'm not opposed to state or federal classes/programs to help those guys and gals to better prepared for things (only so much you can do) or sending them to shrinks or therapists or whatever to help them out.

Tough to balance things at times.
Perfectly said. We share the exact same view when it comes to the more localized the better.
 

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The biggest issues that I've seen from being around police for the majority of my life, are ex military, way too short of training periods, as well as police officers not living in the communities they serve. Taking steps to resolve those issues would go a long way towards resolving a lot of the issues we see in the police force currently
Maybe but overall policing is a shitty and thankless job. There are so many external issues that affect policing and affect their stress level. Nobody wants to work where they live, especially not in this anti police climate. And nobody wants to live in areas that need a heavy police presence. Hiring military… sadly what do most military have to come back to? Usually the military coming back to a police job are the ones that scored low on their ASFAB and couldn’t get into some technical military position and was bottom barrel to begin with. I don’t like these guys policing the community but the communities do an awful job at supporting military when they come back and do an awful job at supporting police as a whole. Police numbers are generally low and they are understaffed. 1 in 5 police are military. Too many, maybe… but to be fair it does seem like a seamless fit considering their skill level and the police need for bodies. What else are they going to do and who else are the police going to hire?
 

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If you are talking about his suggestion of shipping Americans off, I am with you 100%. We can handle our own criminals just fine. Very unnecessary to even float the idea (unless clearly a joke)
I agree that we should handle our own criminals. Having said that, shipping them out is an interesting concept. If criminals knew they were getting deported for committing a crime, we might see a reduction in crime.
 

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Then explain why they are wife beaters at a much higher rate than the general population?

It's the stress. Stress is also why law enforcement has the highest divorce rate of any profession. Police take a lot of serious crap all the time and it builds up. I've always said that police should have to meet with someone in mental health every 4 -6 months to to decompress.
 
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Maybe but overall policing is a shitty and thankless job. There are so many external issues that affect policing and affect their stress level. Nobody wants to work where they live, especially not in this anti police climate. And nobody wants to live in areas that need a heavy police presence. Hiring military… sadly what do most military have to come back to? Usually the military coming back to a police job are the ones that scored low on their ASFAB and couldn’t get into some technical military position and was bottom barrel to begin with. I don’t like these guys policing the community but the communities do an awful job at supporting military when they come back and do an awful job at supporting police as a whole. Police numbers are generally low and they are understaffed. 1 in 5 police are military. Too many, maybe… but to be fair it does seem like a seamless fit considering their skill level and the police need for bodies. What else are they going to do and who else are the police going to hire?
I understand every point and I don't disagree. With that said I still believe the points I made help improve upon the anti police climate. That climate arises from a community vs police culture and I believe improves if the police are members of the community so they're not seen as outsiders. There needs to be more community outreach as well.
 
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It's the stress. Stress is also why law enforcement has the highest divorce rate of any profession. Police take a lot of serious crap all the time and it builds up. I've always said that police should have to meet with someone in mental health every 4 -6 months to to decompress.
Agreed, and ex military going into the police force should have to go thru a thorough mental health evaluation before being on a police force, or just in general tbh. It's part of how I see us not supporting our veterans enough when they're finished with their military careers
 
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Ex-military, typically low achieving HS students who can only hack it at a two year CC, rednecks, racists. The usual.
Basically the typical Trump voter.
I attended a juco where they did police training and had an interaction with police that was very impactful in how I view them, and it also forced me and my friends to have a conversation I never would have had otherwise.

It was in the suburbs of Chicago, a majority white community, but I was driving a car with 3 of my teammates who were all black. We got pulled over on campus, and the cop came up to do his thing but he also asked for three IDs of my 3 passengers. I knew that they couldn't do that so I asked why. The cop stumbled over his words before relenting and giving up. I was let go with a warning, for driving under the 25 mph speed limit. I think I was going 20 driving from one side of the campus to other. My teammates told his they never had a driver challenge the police officers on asking for passengers IDs and they were always under the assumption they had to provide it if the cops ask. To this day I'm convinced I was only pulled over because I was white with a car full of black guys and that the cop was just being racist
 

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To this day I'm convinced I was only pulled over because I was white with a car full of black guys and that the cop was just being racist
You aren't wrong.

I went to a HS that was around 33% African American. I had some friends that lived in rougher parts of town and would obviously be in those parts of town late at night leaving their house. Always enjoyed the "reverse racism" of being pulled over for some random reason (didn't signal in the appropriate amount of time from the stop sign was my favorite) because I was a white kid leaving the "black" part of town so they assumed I was there buying drugs.
 

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Ex-military, typically low achieving HS students who can only hack it at a two year CC, rednecks, racists. The usual.
Basically the typical Trump voter.

I attended a juco where they did police training and had an interaction with police that was very impactful in how I view them, and it also forced me and my friends to have a conversation I never would have had otherwise.

It was in the suburbs of Chicago, a majority white community, but I was driving a car with 3 of my teammates who were all black. We got pulled over on campus, and the cop came up to do his thing but he also asked for three IDs of my 3 passengers. I knew that they couldn't do that so I asked why. The cop stumbled over his words before relenting and giving up. I was let go with a warning, for driving under the 25 mph speed limit. I think I was going 20 driving from one side of the campus to other. My teammates told his they never had a driver challenge the police officers on asking for passengers IDs and they were always under the assumption they had to provide it if the cops ask. To this day I'm convinced I was only pulled over because I was white with a car full of black guys and that the cop was just being racist
I think you guys cracked the code. We need more democrats in the military and applying to be police officers… why don’t democrats want to serve and protect?
 

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If that's what you took away from my post then I don't know what to tell you
You have admitted a few times in the last two days how a few moments in your life have impacted the way you look at police officers. I’m going off what you are telling me. But I was probably more responding to boa.
 

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Great. Not the point.

Bring him back, initiate deportation proceedings, follow the appropriate steps..and if he is eligible for deportation and ends up being deported..so be it. Do things the right way. Also, if he is deported to El Salvador..or anywhere else...that doesn't mean he ends up in a prison for life when he has committed no crime. He would be more than free to self deport and go live freely in another country.
 
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You have admitted a few times in the last two days how a few moments in your life have impacted the way you look at police officers. I’m going off what you are telling me.
And nowhere did I say anything about Democrats in the military or police force, but I did lay out ways to improve the police force.
 

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Like I said previously I'm not defending the guy, but isn't the whole premise of saying he's deportable based on some saying he's a member of ms-13? Which has been refuted to the best of my knowledge
I don't know if it's really been refuted.

From the article:

Nevertheless, this case involves an acknowledged illegal alien who was found by an immigration judge to be a member of a criminal gang now designated a terrorist organization, and that judge’s finding was upheld on appeal.
 

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And now here did I say anything about Democrats in the military or police force, but I did lay out ways to improve the police force.
It’s your implication in responding to Bua.

Bua : Police are dumb racists Trump supporters

You: Let me tell you a trauma story to respond and agree
 
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