Trump Presidency Round 2

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[Sea Turtle]

There are flags of Trump riding dinosaurs. They have compared Trump to Jesus Christ.

This is above and beyond anything we have seen before.

You comparing this to FDR smoking a cigarette is idiotic.

You have a point, Bua. It's been taken to the next level. I do think anybody comparing him to Christ would have been the same kooks calling Reagan the antichrist.

 

[TorontoGold]

Do you honestly believe those are the jobs that Trump is referring to???? He wants to tariff those kinds of products.

The jobs that he wants to bring back would be good paying manufacturing jobs such as automobile manufacturing and the like.

His secretary of commerce said as much. I guess you'd want him to maintain Biden levels? He had higher rates of manufacturing growth than Trump did his first go around.

You think high school educated people are going to be hired to work at an auto plant? Those jobs are incredibly competitive and you need to go through some serious schooling/trade schools to get those jobs. Not sure what gives you the faith that he'll reverse course on everything he's both done and said.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

You think high school educated people are going to be hired to work at an auto plant? Those jobs are incredibly competitive and you need to go through some serious schooling/trade schools to get those jobs. Not sure what gives you the faith that he'll reverse course on everything he's both done and said.

Bessent also surmised that the laid off federal workers would take those manufacturing jobs.....before saying he envisioned AI and robotics would do the work.

 

[ab2cmiller]

His secretary of commerce said as much. I guess you'd want him to maintain Biden levels? He had higher rates of manufacturing growth than Trump did his first go around.

You think high school educated people are going to be hired to work at an auto plant? Those jobs are incredibly competitive and you need to go through some serious schooling/trade schools to get those jobs. Not sure what gives you the faith that he'll reverse course on everything he's both done and said.

He said he wants to bring those to America and automate them with robotics. There's ZERO chance that those types of jobs are coming to America and be staffed with American workers do those types of manual jobs. He claims the well paid jobs would be the staffing of those manufacturing jobs for those that oversee the automated process.

I've made it clear I'm no fan of this tariff strategy and there's a lot to complain about, but the meme's showing people working at sewing machines or screwing in screws of iPhones is basically bullshit.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

He claims the well paid jobs would be the staffing of those manufacturing jobs for those that oversee the automated process.

Do you have any idea how FEW of those jobs are actually needed? He also acts like you can just cross train HS graduates who work HVAC jobs to learn robotics repair/engineering/programming. What in the absolute hell are you talking about?

Understanding the impact of automation on workers, jobs, and wages | Brookings

Harry J. Holzer examines the implications of automation for jobs and wages.

www.brookings.edu

Keeping workers safe in the automation revolution | Brookings

Rania Gihleb, Osea Giuntella, Luca Stella, and Tianyi Wang discuss how we can keep workers safe in the coming automation revolution.

www.brookings.edu

There's ZERO chance that those types of jobs are coming to America and be staffed with American workers do those types of manual jobs

Is this the same "ZERO" chance that there was of Trump starting this trade war with his tariffs?

We again have Trump voters telling us to NOT believe what him and his campaign is telling us.

For how much longer do you plan on remaining this fucking stupid?

 

[TorontoGold]

He said he wants to bring those to America and automate them with robotics. There's ZERO chance that those types of jobs are coming to America and be staffed with American workers do those types of manual jobs. He claims the well paid jobs would be the staffing of those manufacturing jobs for those that oversee the automated process.

I've made it clear I'm no fan of this tariff strategy and there's a lot to complain about, but the meme's showing people working at sewing machines or screwing in screws of iPhones is basically bullshit.

Ok so what proof have you seen that leads you to believe this? The public statements from his administration and the body of work from his first term aren't even at Biden levels. So I'm having a tough time joining you in this optimistic view.

He's the one saying the screwing in iPhones! There's plenty of meme's in these threads but not mine.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Ok so what proof have you seen that leads you to believe this? The public statements from his administration and the body of work from his first term aren't even at Biden levels. So I'm having a tough time joining you in this optimistic view.

He's the one saying the screwing in iPhones! There's plenty of meme's in these threads but not mine.

The quote straight from the tweet that you posted "the army of millions and millions of people screwing in little screws to make iPhones, that kind of thing is going to come to America. It's going to be automated" The interviewer confronted him a couple times about robots.

I didn't say that you posted any meme's, frankly it's not even important enough to go look at.

All I'm saying is that it's bullshit for people to try to paint these tariff moves bringing low paying jobs from other countries such as textiles and "screwing in tiny screws on iPhones". There's enough stuff in these tariff's that is highly concerning that we don't need to distract from that focus to paint the Trump admin as wanting to bring low paying jobs to America.

Do I believe that the steps that they are taking could pull off the massive construction of factories that they are painting? Of course I'm skeptical.

 

[calvegas04]

 

[GATTACA!]

The quote straight from the tweet that you posted "the army of millions and millions of people screwing in little screws to make iPhones, that kind of thing is going to come to America. It's going to be automated" The interviewer confronted him a couple times about robots.

I didn't say that you posted any meme's, frankly it's not even important enough to go look at.

All I'm saying is that it's bullshit for people to try to paint these tariff moves bringing low paying jobs from other countries such as textiles and "screwing in tiny screws on iPhones". There's enough stuff in these tariff's that is highly concerning that we don't need to distract from that focus to paint the Trump admin as wanting to bring low paying jobs to America.

Do I believe that the steps that they are taking could pull off the massive construction of factories that they are painting? Of course I'm skeptical.

If it could be automated it already would be!

What’s better than cheap labor? Free labor.

These companies are just going to jack the price of their goods up to offset the tariffs and wait out Trump blinking, congress stepping in, midterms, or 2028. There’s no conceivable path where these companies waste the amount of capital it would take to shift manufacturing back to the states when this is a temporary situation.

 

[TorontoGold]

The quote straight from the tweet that you posted "the army of millions and millions of people screwing in little screws to make iPhones, that kind of thing is going to come to America. It's going to be automated" The interviewer confronted him a couple times about robots.

I didn't say that you posted any meme's, frankly it's not even important enough to go look at.

All I'm saying is that it's bullshit for people to try to paint these tariff moves bringing low paying jobs from other countries such as textiles and "screwing in tiny screws on iPhones". There's enough stuff in these tariff's that is highly concerning that we don't need to distract from that focus to paint the Trump admin as wanting to bring low paying jobs to America.

Do I believe that the steps that they are taking could pull off the massive construction of factories that they are painting? Of course I'm skeptical.

Why would these companies move their production back to the US? It's absurd to even think that a tariff is going to do anything but raise prices across the board. A 20% increase on the cost of the good being sold from India is still going to be cheaper than whatever it would cost to be produced in some random state.

There is no world in which companies who've spent billions/trillions around the world to erode human rights and working conditions to just spend 10x to make in the US. This is all assuming that there's thousands of skilled trades people that ready/willing to get to work if these jobs are available. You're likely looking at a large scale education push to setup the base of skilled workers needed to handle these new jobs, because we know how imported workers are looked upon by the GOP. So, even if we're to accept that these jobs will find their way back to the US, there isn't the native born workforce ready to service these jobs.

Government intervention into the economy is like the #1 thing that conservatives should hate. All this to bring back manufacturing is bananas.

 

[IrishLax]

This is 80% correct, the primary issue is that the tariffs are so clearly batshit that people are terrified that guy in charge is too stupid/insane with too much power to blow stuff up on a whim. Nothing is worse than “uncertainty” for global capital.

 

[ozzman]

Julian Sanchez (@normative.bsky.social)

In a way the tone is almost as frightening as the substance. The dissent writes like it understands the stakes, and what kind of regime we're on the precipice of becoming. The majority writes like it's hearing a case about whether rollerblades can be taxed as vehicles. [contains quote post or...

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[NDVirginia19]

Julian Sanchez (@normative.bsky.social)

In a way the tone is almost as frightening as the substance. The dissent writes like it understands the stakes, and what kind of regime we're on the precipice of becoming. The majority writes like it's hearing a case about whether rollerblades can be taxed as vehicles. [contains quote post or...

bsky.app

The Court ruled that their detentions and removal have judicial review protections and the ability to seek habeas relief in the jurisdiction in which they are detained... not in the jurisdiction of a specific DC judge that is going to be most sympathetic to their cause.

 

[Irish#1]

Trump administration weighs drone strikes on Mexican cartels

The administration has increased surveillance flights over Mexico as it tries to track the powerful cartels that dominate the fentanyl trade.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[NDRock]

This is 80% correct, the primary issue is that the tariffs are so clearly batshit that people are terrified that guy in charge is too stupid/insane with too much power to blow stuff up on a whim. Nothing is worse than “uncertainty” for global capital.

Agree. That's the major flaw I see in the logic of bringing manufacturing back. Pretty hard for a company to spend millions and millions on moving manufacturing from Asia to the US, if the President may change his mind on a whim. Or if in 4 years the other side gets in power and completely changes course. Seems more likely that companies will start getting conservative than large investments. I say this fully aware I'm ignorant on business matters on this scale. Hoping for the best.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Trump administration weighs drone strikes on Mexican cartels

The administration has increased surveillance flights over Mexico as it tries to track the powerful cartels that dominate the fentanyl trade.

www.nbcnews.com

Ahh the "no new wars" president.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

to spend millions and millions on moving manufacturing from Asia to the US,

We'd be talking billions...likely hundreds of billions.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The Court ruled that their detentions and removal have judicial review protections and the ability to seek habeas relief in the jurisdiction in which they are detained... not in the jurisdiction of a specific DC judge that is going to be most sympathetic to their cause.

Instead they're being held in states that they weren't arrested in, where the judges will be conservative leaning and won't give two craps

 

[Irish#1]

lol

 

[BuaConstrictor]

lol

Yes. Many people are mad at Democrats for not doing more.

Congrats. Love the underlying implication here though that the only reason Trump and the GOP are in power is the Democrats are too busy stepping on their own dicks...which basically means that if the Dems ever got their shit together that Trump and Co would have no shot. Way to undercut your own political faction.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Instead they're being held in states that they weren't arrested on, where the judges will be conservative leaning and won't give two craps

I believe we were told they had no due process rights. Weird.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I believe we were told they had no due process rights. Weird.

And he told us that very confidently. But all 9 supreme Court justices disagree with him. Just regurgitating bs talking points again. It's fucking pathetic. And yet we're the ones who can't think for ourselves

 

[Irish#1]

Should have elected this guy when we had the chance.

 

[ozzman]

They're fighting this guys return because he's already dead, right?

Trump administration deports gay makeup artist to prison in El Salvador

A gay man with no known criminal record sought asylum in the U.S. He's since become one of 238 Venezuelan migrants deported to a notorious prison in El Salvador by the Trump administration.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Irish#1]

Instead they're being held in states that they weren't arrested on, where the judges will be conservative leaning and won't give two craps

So it's okay if a liberal judge is presiding, but not a conservative?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So it's okay if a liberal judge is presiding, but not a conservative?

Did I say that? I simply stated facts about how they are executing this.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

So it's okay if a liberal judge is presiding, but not a conservative?

Yes.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[RDU Irish]

This is 80% correct, the primary issue is that the tariffs are so clearly batshit that people are terrified that guy in charge is too stupid/insane with too much power to blow stuff up on a whim. Nothing is worse than “uncertainty” for global capital.

I mostly agree with this but also think we give it some time to play out. I think recession was already baked in and have some hope that inevitability was prompting excessively rushed action to front load all the bad to clear the deck for mid terms and a strong finish to the 4 year term. Imagine if it works with the S&P pushing 6000 this time next year on $50 oil, massive private investment picking up the slack from right sizing government payrolls, extension of current income tax rates and the worst of "volatility and uncertainty" behind us as reasonable paths forward materialize. As retarded as Trump is, he is less retarded than 95% of DC who have no functional real world experience. I'll take a bad businessman over a fucking Ivy Law grad who has never been anything but a politician and somehow has generational wealth to show for it.