ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

[rtrn2glory]

Is there actually any film to back up the claim he takes too many sacks other than the film of him getting chased by the guy that is possibly going to go #1 in the NFL draft?

 

[MacIrish75]

Is there actually any film to back up the claim he takes too many sacks other than the film of him getting chased by the guy that is possibly going to go #1 in the NFL draft?

Limited emotional, anecdotal evidence from one memorable moment is always better than research-based and data-backed information.

 

[NDohio]

Is there actually any film to back up the claim he takes too many sacks other than the film of him getting chased by the guy that is possibly going to go #1 in the NFL draft?

I do not remember which thread it was, but someone on here had statistics of what his sack percentage was per pass attempt. It was way higher that RL's - shocker - but was also higher than the national average. Maybe it was @Dale that had those stats?

 

[Dale]

I do not remember which thread it was, but someone on here had statistics of what his sack percentage was per pass attempt. It was way higher that RL's - shocker - but was also higher than the national average. Maybe it was @Dale that had those stats?

I am tapped out on this debate but to try to provide just the numbers nothing else…..

Career: 7 sacks in 29 pressures = 24.10% P2S. Would rank 47th out of 51 among qualified P4 QBs in 2024.

Oregon St sacked on 2/4 pressures. Penn State sacked on 2/5 pressures.

It is an extremely small sample size and there is context one way or the other I’m sure someone will lend

 

[NDFAN2008]

Is there actually any film to back up the claim he takes too many sacks other than the film of him getting chased by the guy that is possibly going to go #1 in the NFL draft?

He gets sacked 9% of the time for comparison Leonard was 5%, Hartman was 5% . Bama was one of the worst teams in giving up sacks in 2023 Milroe got sacked15% of the time

 

[PANDFAN]

My biggest worry with Angeli is he takes too many sacks

Check out Jaime's tweet from isd as he talks about this...I too felt the same but he brings facts

 

[pumpdog20]

Yup, Jamie trying to calm you guys all down and has me convinced it's going to be Angeli, and he's going to thrive.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

If we’re really going to roll with Angeli we should’ve broke the bank for a portal QB.

Man, idk what more Angeli has to do to prove that he could be a quality starter. What portal QB, specifically, would you think is 100% better than Angeli who is already intricately familiar with this offense? Would you take Sam Hartman over Steve Angeli in 2025?

Said another way, if Angeli is able to beat out CJ Carr and Minchey, two guys who are rumored to be loaded with arm talent, what QB would you pluck off of the portal who would supplant Angeli?

ND doesn't beat Penn State without Steve Angeli. Frankly, I'm tired of the one-year rentals. I think it serves a purpose, but after Coan, Hartman and Leonard, I'm personally ready for a home-grown kid who's been in the system to prove what they can do. If it's Carr, amazing. Can't wait to see him. If it's Angeli, I really trust this staff, specifically Denbrock, Gino and Freeman, to have made the decision for the right reasons and that Angeli gives us the best chance to compete in 2025.

 

[notredomer23]

While ISD is still the best source for quality of info on the beat, I will give on3 credit. They’ve certainly surpassed 247 on the national level, and B&G has grinded its way to the second best ND site for recruiting. Sweaty Mike, cringy as he is, grinds out decent quality scoops daily as does Kyle Kelly. Soble has found a decent role with the basketball beat and football. Will never like Horka or Tim Hyde but there’s enough content that they’re easy to avoid.

 

[Dale]

Yup, Jamie trying to calm you guys all down and has me convinced it's going to be Angeli, and he's going to thrive.

Alright I’m back in the debate, so Angeli is clearly not going to improve those numbers based off Milroe or even Book type agility. The suggestion would then, he will improve based off improvement in setting protections and recognizing pressures? Fair. This implies he struggles with those currently though, right?

If so, what is he better at then Carr currently?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Alright I’m back in the debate, so Angeli is clearly not going to improve those numbers based off Milroe or even Book type agility. The suggestion would then, he will improve based off improvement in setting protections and recognizing pressures? Fair. This implies he struggles with those currently though, right?

If so, what is he better at then Carr currently?

Not getting injured in practice

 

[NDohio]

Alright I’m back in the debate, so Angeli is clearly not going to improve those numbers based off Milroe or even Book type agility. The suggestion would then, he will improve based off improvement in setting protections and recognizing pressures? Fair. This implies he struggles with those currently though, right?

If so, what is he better at then Carr currently?

That didn't take long...LOL.

 

[Dale]

That didn't take long...LOL.

 

[Irish5Saint]

While ISD is still the best source for quality of info on the beat, I will give on3 credit. They’ve certainly surpassed 247 on the national level, and B&G has grinded its way to the second best ND site for recruiting. Sweaty Mike, cringy as he is, grinds out decent quality scoops daily as does Kyle Kelly. Soble has found a decent role with the basketball beat and football. Will never like Horka or Tim Hyde but there’s enough content that they’re easy to avoid.

I’ve met Horka, and he’s a decent guy; feel like his reporting is pretty strikes and balls; Hyde and Goolsby can be really annoying at times; but fully agree with you Singer is the best ND recruiting guy and Soble at least makes an effort to talk with the basketball staff.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

It was ALWAYS going to be Steve once the top portal targets went pro.

 

[NDMatt91]

I might be reading too much into this, but I found the following exchange interesting at around the 40 minute mark of the most recent II podcast.

Prister: "Have I mentioned David Bailey lately? Although that wouldn't be a great situation."
O'Malley: "You stack talent, but that wouldn't be the necessary one."
Prister: "Notre Dame is aware that Stanford has a problem and David Bailey is still there. They're aware. They also know that Emmett Mosley is still there and him coming to Notre Dame might be able to sway his younger brother."

 

[CanadalovesND]

No one mentioned Sam Roush. I'm surprised. He is a true senior, so I don't know for sure if he's graduated from Stanford.

On the Mosley part there, Prister or O'Malley also added that Chad Bowden may try to swoop in for Emmett. Team up the bros together.

 

[Dale]

No one mentioned Sam Roush. I'm surprised. He is a true senior, so I don't know for sure if he's graduated from Stanford.

On the Mosley part there, Prister or O'Malley also added that Chad Bowden may try to swoop in for Emmett. Team up the bros together.

TE was my first thought as well

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I might be reading too much into this, but I found the following exchange interesting at around the 40 minute mark of the most recent II podcast.

Prister: "Have I mentioned David Bailey lately? Although that wouldn't be a great situation."
O'Malley: "You stack talent, but that wouldn't be the necessary one."
Prister: "Notre Dame is aware that Stanford has a problem and David Bailey is still there. They're aware. They also know that Emmett Mosley is still there and him coming to Notre Dame might be able to sway his younger brother."

Prister has always been a fan of Bailey and for good reason. That said, I could see Bowden getting both Bailey & Mosley to come to SC. Seems like a more seamless transition for both of them.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

II has a segment where Mentock, Brice & O’Malley each get assigned to make a case for one of the three QBs. It gives some decent background & is good filler for the offseason. (Don’t be like 4HL posters and bash the writers for claiming “their QB” should start…it was simply a random draw & they were asked to make a case for the name they drew. Doesn’t mean it’s their personal choice.)

 

[NDFAN2008]

I might be reading too much into this, but I found the following exchange interesting at around the 40 minute mark of the most recent II podcast.

Prister: "Have I mentioned David Bailey lately? Although that wouldn't be a great situation."
O'Malley: "You stack talent, but that wouldn't be the necessary one."
Prister: "Notre Dame is aware that Stanford has a problem and David Bailey is still there. They're aware. They also know that Emmett Mosley is still there and him coming to Notre Dame might be able to sway his younger brother."

I'd be all for Bailey but we are pretty deep at LB

 

[Dale]

Bailey plays on the edge, it would be more related to the Vypers. If Botelho/Traore are on track, no need.

 

[rtrn2glory]

If last year taught anything yes take him especially if he's a Sr you lose nothing. We were paper than at that position by the end of the year. Plus can never have too many guys to get after the QB.

Botelho health is question too so bring him in. USC is going to prolly end up buying both of em

 

[dublinirish]

If last year taught anything yes take him especially if he's a Sr you lose nothing. We were paper than at that position by the end of the year. Plus can never have too many guys to get after the QB.

Botelho health is question too so bring him in. USC is going to prolly end up buying both of em

doubt you can get a guy whos a starter at Stanford to want to transfer to ND to be third string

 

[NDFAN2008]

If last year taught anything yes take him especially if he's a Sr you lose nothing. We were paper than at that position by the end of the year. Plus can never have too many guys to get after the QB.

Botelho health is question too so bring him in. USC is going to prolly end up buying both of em

This is where I'm at you can never have enough depth, Penn State was loading on the DL and rotated guys left and right and last thing we need is USC getting both.

 

[rtrn2glory]

doubt you can get a guy whos a starter at Stanford to want to transfer to ND to be third string

He probably wouldn't be 3rd string. At worst he's second

 

[Dale]

He probably wouldn't be 3rd string. At worst he's second

If Botelho and Traore are healthy, plus you have Sneed and KVA in packages, the snaps start to drop pretty quickly

 

[NDFAN2008]

If Botelho and Traore are healthy, plus you have Sneed and KVA in packages, the snaps start to drop pretty quickly

Plus Farimo is gonna line up at edge at times

 

[IRISHDODGER]

He probably wouldn't be 3rd string. At worst he's second

Right but why would he want to do that when he can start somewhere else…like SC?

 

[rtrn2glory]

I'm in agreement with everyone.... Don't think he'd even consider it but it's worth a shot