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Everything, top to bottom.

That game was truly a one-off perfect storm.

Still, had Leonard not been injured, and shaky mentally; or, if Angeli was inserted in the second half - Notre Dame wins that game going away, by 2 touchdowns, minimum.

There was a rumor right after that game that Riley got hurt but the staff refused to play Steve. I'm a firm believer to the bolded, that Steve could've done enough, in replacement of an injured Leonard, to edge out a victory, in spite of how poorly the rest of the game went. What happened at the QB position during this game?
 

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Marcus asked Riley if he could continue, and he said yes. It was a mistake.

Oof. On the one hand, I get wanting to trust your guy and his word, but what kid is going to say they can't continue? They're tough spirited competitors. My armchair coaching sirens were going off super early in that game that something was amiss. I couldn't believe they didn't get Angeli in there for even a small spark. Ohwell. It's all moot. Glad they righted the ship and had the season they did. What a ride!
 

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Oof. On the one hand, I get wanting to trust your guy and his word, but what kid is going to say they can't continue? They're tough spirited competitors. My armchair coaching sirens were going off super early in that game that something was amiss. I couldn't believe they didn't get Angeli in there for even a small spark. Ohwell. It's all moot. Glad they righted the ship and had the season they did. What a ride!
Anthony Richardson. LOL
 

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Eh..maybe. Teo was also more beat up than people realize....he was a human wrecking ball for four season. He was also coming to the pros when his style of MLB was falling out of vogue. If he's in the 1998 draft, he's a Top 5 pick. Even if it's the 2005 draft..he's maybe Top 15.

Manti was never going to translate to anything special as a 3 down LB'er in the NFL.

I think it's a combination of things: play style, injuries, his own ego, some of that mental stuff...

but also I trend a little more "anti-Teo" than most because I think he carries a lot more blame for that situation in 2012 than he ever accepted/addressed.
I’m a huge Manti fan but heard similar sentiment on the bolded. There were two former players from that team that happened to be at the same bar as me in San Diego back in 2014 who went through it with him and expressed the same about that situation. Now there’s a great story in there about that night but I’m no Merckxe.

Merckxe and Bua - appreciate the insight you guys have been bringing!
 
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There were two former players from that team that happened to be at the same bar as me in San Diego back in 2014 who went through it with him and expressed the same about that situation
Pretty telling that the only player on that team that ever really comes to Manti's defense at any point in time is Robby Toma.

I’m a huge Manti fan but heard similar sentiment on the bolded.
There's also a reason he refused to do the doc with ESPN and instead chose to self produce it on Netflix..so he wouldn't have to answer tough questions.
 

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There was a rumor right after that game that Riley got hurt but the staff refused to play Steve. I'm a firm believer to the bolded, that Steve could've done enough, in replacement of an injured Leonard, to edge out a victory, in spite of how poorly the rest of the game went. What happened at the QB position during this game?
That awful pick on the deep throw is the telling one in that game. Whoever was running the deep post was 10 yards behind the defenders. You overthrow that ball if you are going to miss. He also had 2 underneath routes open as well.

Ahh well.
 

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Whoever was running the deep post was 10 yards behind the defenders.
Mitchell wasn't that open, but yeah. Leonard missed that throw badly...among others in that game.

NIU did some good things schematically on defense to compress the field and try and make Leonard fit tight throws into spots and did a really good job disguising and rolling coverages. Their blitz packages were really well designed too. NIU did a good job of messing with Leonard's eyes.
 

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Mitchell wasn't that open, but yeah. Leonard missed that throw badly...among others in that game.

NIU did some good things schematically on defense to compress the field and try and make Leonard fit tight throws into spots and did a really good job disguising and rolling coverages. Their blitz packages were really well designed too. NIU did a good job of messing with Leonard's eyes.
Yeah, I am over stating. But yeah, safety is underneath with the CB in the hip pocket. It is caught or overthrown. Instead...
 

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I was a student worker for the athletic department for Central Michigan University. This job entails working home sporting games, working the front desk of the IAC which had the weight room indoor practice football field, indoor track, and other things. It also housed the football coaching staff among a few other sports coaches. I had a few run ins with BK nothing major (minus getting chewed out by him for goofing off on a golf cart) but when he took the Cincy job he came back through with his nose held high like he was the shit. I kinda took that as the mentality you needed to be a head coach. The new staff came in and they were way more friendly. They would pass by and ask how you were doing. I understand they were probably just trying to be nice but still meant a lot to me. The head coach even would ask me about some of the CMU swag he should wear. I guess my point is if BK was like this at CMU i could only imagine how he would have been like at ND behind closed doors. Go ahead now make fun of me like message boards normally do.
Goofing off on a golf cart? We talking wheelies or donuts? ;)

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I'm very fond of Manti, but there's no sense hiding any of this anymore:

- He had multiple girlfriends throughout that year, especially that fall.

- He knew it was all bullshit before the timeline stated.
FINE, I'll type my longer version.

First off, let's get this level set: Based on all known and available evidence, Manti was 100% the victim of a catfishing by Ronaiah. So if we can all start from that standpoint, we can move on to the issues with Manti that many have.

Since we all agreed Manti was catfished, that means that if this catfishing followed typical catfishing processes that Lennay's "illness & death" was a reaction to something that happened between Lennay and Manti. Luckily, we don't have to speculate as to what that was. Manti openly admitted in either the ESPN story or the Netflix doc(I believe it was the Netflix doc) that he ended the "relationship" with Lennay in the summer of 2012. Ronaiah also confirms that timeline of events.

Manti was doing more than okay around Notre Dame with women and was casually dating numerous women in those summer and early fall months of the 2012 season. By the end of the season (November-ish) he was in a serious/committed(for college) relationship with a student from St. Mary's.

Back to the timeline. Manti ended the relationship in part because of his dating on campus as well as getting shit from the team for "dating" a girl he had never met or seen. Players have talked about this and how they thought it was weird. Manti essentially told Ronaiah/Lennay to kick rocks. Now that obviously triggers the next step in any catfishing..the "illness-death" scenario to rope the victim back in and re-gain their attention. To add to this...with Manti's grandmother (actually) dying, even more of his attention was diverted away from Ronaiah/Lennay, and thus you get Lennay tragically "dying" soon after Manti's grandmother.

So, Manti, from the jump lied about Lennay being his girlfriend at the time of her "passing". He continued to do so and most everyone on the team thought it was horseshit. Manti has never once taken accountability for his role in perpetuating the lie and building it up. Manti had a convenient out for really not ever having to address it because by the time the story broke, it was such a sensational story, very few in the media cared to go back and re-hash the timeline of events and follow the logic of it all...they were just worried about getting as much as they could about Ronaiah/Lennay because that was the juicy side of things.

ESPN wanted to poke, prod, and peel away the layers of the story for their doc on it. Manti initially said yes, then backed out when he wasn't given control of the edit/production. He took the project to Netflix at that point. Manti's doc came out, portrayed himself as a fully innocent victim with nothing to do with what happened, but he also unwittingly gave enough bread crumbs that if you step back and think about it for 30 seconds, you realize he just gave away the ghost.

There are ultimately two reads on this. The "good faith" one is that Manti lied initially during an emotional time in his life and didn't think it would snowball the way it did and just got in way too deep..way too fast.

The bad faith version is Manti knowingly lied to garner more attention for himself and try and hype himself up to improve his Heisman, draft, and personal stock.

Teammates fall on both sides of that coin depending who you ask.

Was Manti a victim? Yeah. But he also lied his ass off and my sympathy for him stops somewhere around the time he tried to retcon them into a relationship at the time of her "passing" to the media.
 

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FINE, I'll type my longer version.

First off, let's get this level set: Based on all known and available evidence, Manti was 100% the victim of a catfishing by Ronaiah. So if we can all start from that standpoint, we can move on to the issues with Manti that many have.

Since we all agreed Manti was catfished, that means that if this catfishing followed typical catfishing processes that Lennay's "illness & death" was a reaction to something that happened between Lennay and Manti. Luckily, we don't have to speculate as to what that was. Manti openly admitted in either the ESPN story or the Netflix doc(I believe it was the Netflix doc) that he ended the "relationship" with Lennay in the summer of 2012. Ronaiah also confirms that timeline of events.

Manti was doing more than okay around Notre Dame with women and was casually dating numerous women in those summer and early fall months of the 2012 season. By the end of the season (November-ish) he was in a serious/committed(for college) relationship with a student from St. Mary's.

Back to the timeline. Manti ended the relationship in part because of his dating on campus as well as getting shit from the team for "dating" a girl he had never met or seen. Players have talked about this and how they thought it was weird. Manti essentially told Ronaiah/Lennay to kick rocks. Now that obviously triggers the next step in any catfishing..the "illness-death" scenario to rope the victim back in and re-gain their attention. To add to this...with Manti's grandmother (actually) dying, even more of his attention was diverted away from Ronaiah/Lennay, and thus you get Lennay tragically "dying" soon after Manti's grandmother.

So, Manti, from the jump lied about Lennay being his girlfriend at the time of her "passing". He continued to do so and most everyone on the team thought it was horseshit. Manti has never once taken accountability for his role in perpetuating the lie and building it up. Manti had a convenient out for really not ever having to address it because by the time the story broke, it was such a sensational story, very few in the media cared to go back and re-hash the timeline of events and follow the logic of it all...they were just worried about getting as much as they could about Ronaiah/Lennay because that was the juicy side of things.

ESPN wanted to poke, prod, and peel away the layers of the story for their doc on it. Manti initially said yes, then backed out when he wasn't given control of the edit/production. He took the project to Netflix at that point. Manti's doc came out, portrayed himself as a fully innocent victim with nothing to do with what happened, but he also unwittingly gave enough bread crumbs that if you step back and think about it for 30 seconds, you realize he just gave away the ghost.

There are ultimately two reads on this. The "good faith" one is that Manti lied initially during an emotional time in his life and didn't think it would snowball the way it did and just got in way too deep..way too fast.

The bad faith version is Manti knowingly lied to garner more attention for himself and try and hype himself up to improve his Heisman, draft, and personal stock.

Teammates fall on both sides of that coin depending who you ask.

Was Manti a victim? Yeah. But he also lied his ass off and my sympathy for him stops somewhere around the time he tried to retcon them into a relationship at the time of her "passing" to the media.
@BuaConstrictor on the topic of players being scummy, what do do you know about Prince Shembo and Lizzie Seeburg? Did Kelly get that swept under the rug?
 

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There were so many bad things that happened in the those early years of the Kelly regime (Matt James, Declan Sulivan, Lizzie Seeurg, Frozen Four, Manti catfishing, Floyd drunk driving, etc...) it seemed like ND was cursed and I dreaded the offseason.

Did it feel that way inside the program?
 

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Is there a team Freeman et al. would love to get on the schedule? I know some people were pushing Tennessee as a possibility.
 

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Normally, I wouldn't share, but it's well enough known at this point:

- Urban has had a drinking problem that dates all the way back to his time at Notre Dame. In 2021, that was not only still an issue, but had gotten to the point where he needed to seek help.

Many people aren't aware of this, but Urban has maintained contact with Notre Dame his entire career.
I once worked w/ a guy who was a close friend of Meyer. He was in his wedding and they played ball together at Cincy. It was right after ND hired BK so I asked him if Urban truly considered the ND job. He said no but added that Bob Stoops was extremely close to a deal to be ND coach. He claimed it fell apart when he insisted on multiple academic exceptions. The only reason I took his word on it was that he had no reason to bring up Stoops. Anyways, wondering if that’s how it truly went down.

He added that Meyer loved(s) ND but his wife hated South Bend & he knew he could never recruit who he needed to in order to eventually contend for a NC. Who knows?
 

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Hey merck we going to stop hearing about silent commits now that a certain someone left? I feel like they rarely stick with the commitment
 

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That's not entirely true.

In 2004, there were some personal considerations, in addition to what is known, as to why Urban chose Florida.

Urban would have considered the job in 2009. In 2021 he absolutely would have taken the job. Even today, he would take the job if the opportunity every presented itself.

Urban used to have concerns about recruiting at Notre Dame, but those concerns went away when he saw what Weis was able to accomplish.

Yes, Shelley hates South Bend/Mishawaka/Granger. Her opinion was very important to Urban at the time; it isn't any longer.

In terms of Stoops, yes. Initially, the only real holdup was academic exceptions, and some moderate tweaks of overall entrance requirements. As negotiations went on, Stoops also began to have cold feet.
Hey, @GrangerIrish24 ... Shelley hates you.

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That's not entirely true.

In 2004, there were some personal considerations, in addition to what is known, as to why Urban chose Florida.

Urban would have considered the job in 2009. In 2021 he absolutely would have taken the job. Even today, he would take the job if the opportunity every presented itself.

Urban used to have concerns about recruiting at Notre Dame, but those concerns went away when he saw what Weis was able to accomplish.

Yes, Shelley hates South Bend/Mishawaka/Granger. Her opinion was very important to Urban at the time; it isn't any longer.

In terms of Stoops, yes. Initially, the only real holdup was academic exceptions, and some moderate tweaks of overall entrance requirements. As negotiations went on, Stoops also began to have cold feet.
Woof - what a sentence...
 
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