Immigration

[NDVirginia19]

lol it’s funny to see liberals start preaching strict textualist interpretations of the constitution

 

[Armyirish47]

lol it’s funny to see liberals start preaching strict textualist interpretations of the constitution

More or less funny than the opposite?

 

[NDVirginia19]

More or less funny than the opposite?

The originalist argument against birth right citizenship for illegal immigrants and those without permanent legal status in this country still stands

 

[Armyirish47]

The originalist argument against birth right citizenship for illegal immigrants and those without permanent legal status in this country still stands

Nah. But I assume you mean equally funny then.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Which is why the attempts to litigate these Executive orders are shortsighted by the left. They could just wait 4 years and hope they win the White House and reverse this EO with the stroke of a pen. A 5-4 SCOTUS ruling would make this permanent

 

[NDVirginia19]

The clear original public meaning of the 14th amendment was to protect citizenship rights for slaves, not allow people to come to this country illegally 8 months pregnant and give birth to a US citizen to anchor their right to stay

 

[Armyirish47]

The clear original public meaning of the 14th amendment was to protect citizenship rights for slaves, not allow people to come to this country illegally 8 months pregnant and give birth to a US citizen to anchor their right to stay

That's clearly your opinion, which is at odds with what is in the 14th amendment. Oh well.

 

[NDVirginia19]

That's clearly your opinion, which is at odds with what is in the 14th amendment. Oh well.

Do you understand originalist philosophy at all?

 

[Armyirish47]

Do you understand originalist philosophy at all?

Much better than you appear to understand the 14th amendment. Which is okay, I don't mind random guy on the internet being wrong.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Much better than you appear to understand the 14th amendment. Which is okay, I don't mind random guy on the internet being wrong.

I mean I at least try to understand living constitutionalist interpretations of constitutional law, while I disagree with them.

 

[Wild Bill]

As we understand it today? Sounds an awful lot like judicial activism.

The people of the nation did decide when they added an amendment to the Constitution that said if you are born here you are a citizen.

The historical debates that took place during the drafting of the Citizenship Clause of the 14th are well documented, and it is clear that the intent was not to grant automatic citizenship solely based on being born here. The phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof was deliberately used to exclude specific groups born in the US who were not considered fully subject to US laws.

Children born to mothers in the US illegally were not explicitly excluded, leaving room for debate on their citizenship status. However, your assertion that this issue is settled, the people have spoken and the amendment guarantees citizenship to everyone born here, is inaccurate. The historical record makes that clear.

 

[Armyirish47]

The historical debates that took place during the drafting of the Citizenship Clause of the 14th are well documented, and it is clear that the intent was not to grant automatic citizenship solely based on being born here. The phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof was deliberately used to exclude specific groups born in the US who were not considered fully subject to US laws.

Children born to mothers in the US illegally were not explicitly excluded, leaving room for debate on their citizenship status. However, your assertion that this issue is settled, the people have spoken and the amendment guarantees citizenship to everyone born here, is inaccurate. The historical record makes that clear.

The historical record is clear that if your interpretation was correct they could have chosen to make it so. And they didn’t. It is settled, efforts by politically motivated modern interpretations aside.

 

[RDU Irish]

The historical record is clear that if your interpretation was correct they could have chosen to make it so. And they didn’t. It is settled, efforts by politically motivated modern interpretations aside.

Can you elaborate on why you apparently WANT this to be the interpretation of this clause? IMO it is terrible policy on many levels and if the interpretation was not there - I would advocate for changing the law.

 

[Armyirish47]

Can you elaborate on why you apparently WANT this to be the interpretation of this clause? IMO it is terrible policy on many levels and if the interpretation was not there - I would advocate for changing the law.

It's not about what I want or don't want, it is what it is. I certainly respect anyone thinking it is a terrible policy, but that doesn't make it "unsettled" due to some evolving enlightenment on the language and record as applied through a more modern lens.

The beauty of it is you CAN advocate for changing the law, the process is there, the people have a say. They just have to exercise it. Just like those who disagree with <insert constitutional bugaboo>.

 

[NDVirginia19]

It's not about what I want or don't want, it is what it is. I certainly respect anyone thinking it is a terrible policy, but that doesn't make it "unsettled" due to some evolving enlightenment on the language and record as applied through a more modern lens.

The beauty of it is you CAN advocate for changing the law, the process is there, the people have a say. They just have to exercise it. Just like those who disagree with <insert constitutional bugaboo>.

There is some play with the Jurisdiction clause of the 14th amendment that opens the door for interpretation regarding natural born citizenship.

 

[Armyirish47]

There is some play with the Jurisdiction clause of the 14th amendment that opens the door for interpretation regarding natural born citizenship.

Again, I respectfully disagree.

 

[irishff1014]

He was good with it until he had to pay for it.



Liberals ugh

 

[NDVirginia19]

I think Adams’ praise of Trump should be taken with a block of salt lol

 

[Irish#1]

I think Adams’ praise of Trump should be taken with a block of salt lol

How could anyone take him seriously with his past? Now that Biden's funds have dried up, Adams changes his mind on immigration? This is all in an attempt to avoid some serious jail time IMO.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I don't think that is just your opinion, I think it is the naked truth how shameless Adams' pivot is lol

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[drayer54]

I was told this was impossible by left-wing hacks

 

[ulukinatme]

I was told this was impossible by left-wing hacks

They said $12 billion was too much to help make our border more secure, then sent $109 billion to Ukraine to help make their border more secure.

 

[drayer54]

They said $12 billion was too much to help make our border more secure, then sent $109 billion to Ukraine to help make their border more secure.

They also said the inflation was transitory, the crime was down, lied about unemployment, and that the previous President was competent, ht we should listen to them now…

 

[NDVirginia19]

This is fucking lunacy. Freeze every dime of federal funding from the state of Colorado and other states to stop this horse shit

 

[Irish#1]

Releasing criminals like that and possibly putting citizens in harms way makes no sense.

90 minute notice via email is juvenile.

 

[Tejas]

Isn't that like obstruction of justice?

 

[Giddyup]

I’ll drop this here in case people were wondering where most Ukrainians have fled.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I’m so shocked

 

[Irish#1]

I’m so shocked

As much as Trump lies, he pales in comparison to Joe. He was a crooked politician from the day he got elected.