Immigration

[TorontoGold]

As much as Trump lies, he pales in comparison to Joe. He was a crooked politician from the day he got elected.

Based on vibes? lol. Anything Biden did Trump did better, literally the rank 1 grifter. Joe was too poor to have properties to funnel money to, too old stupid to have meme coins, and wasn't able to get his buddies in front of the WH for any good ads.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Based on vibes? lol. Anything Biden did Trump did better, literally the rank 1 grifter. Joe was too poor to have properties to funnel money to, too old stupid to have meme coins, and wasn't able to get his buddies in front of the WH for any good ads.

I’m with Toronto on this one. Biden wasn’t coherent enough to know what decisions were being made by those that were really in charge.

 

[Irish#1]

Based on vibes? lol. Anything Biden did Trump did better, literally the rank 1 grifter. Joe was too poor to have properties to funnel money to, too old stupid to have meme coins, and wasn't able to get his buddies in front of the WH for any good ads.

I’m with Toronto on this one. Biden wasn’t coherent enough to know what decisions were being made by those that were really in charge.

Don't try the vortex. I was talking about his lying. Joe was lying before Trump ever got into politics.

Just a few examples you can find with the google software.
Said he finished near the top of his class when he was near the bottom.
Said he was the first in the family to go to college, but talked about how his grandfather was an All American in college.
Said he was in a helicopter that got shot down in Afghanistan.
Said he taught political theory for four years at the University of Pennsylvania.

Trumps nefarious dealings are another topic.

 

[drayer54]

Kamala would have given these people grant money.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Kamala would have given these people grant money.

Any of our bleeding hearts on IE crying tears for these gang members?

 

[drayer54]

Any of our bleeding hearts on IE crying tears for these gang members?

The token tagline being copied by the entire left because their messaging is all identical is due process. The people who want open borders want each of these pricks to hold up a years-long court process before being removed.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Any of our bleeding hearts on IE crying tears for these gang members?

No tears for any gang members, tears for our democracy ending before our eyes. Tears for watching or president disregard court orders and consolidating power like never before. Tears for the people being turn away from their families and being deported for no reason.

A professor from Brown University was deported to Lebanon without explanation, despite U.S. visa

A doctor from Lebanon who arrived at the Boston airport was deported without explanation, after government lawyers said border officials did not get word she was to stay in the U.S. for a hearing.

apnews.com

 

[IrishLax]

 

[drayer54]

I am often told that the boom is what cuts the grass, cleans the hotels, and does all of the things. Surely, they've had a boom, no?

 

[Irish#1]

No tears for any gang members, tears for our democracy ending before our eyes. Tears for watching or president disregard court orders and consolidating power like never before. Tears for the people being turn away from their families and being deported for no reason.

A professor from Brown University was deported to Lebanon without explanation, despite U.S. visa

A doctor from Lebanon who arrived at the Boston airport was deported without explanation, after government lawyers said border officials did not get word she was to stay in the U.S. for a hearing.

apnews.com

I'm guessing they disregarded our immigration laws when they came into our country.

 

[NDVirginia19]

No tears for any gang members, tears for our democracy ending before our eyes. Tears for watching or president disregard court orders and consolidating power like never before. Tears for the people being turn away from their families and being deported for no reason.

A professor from Brown University was deported to Lebanon without explanation, despite U.S. visa

A doctor from Lebanon who arrived at the Boston airport was deported without explanation, after government lawyers said border officials did not get word she was to stay in the U.S. for a hearing.

apnews.com

They went to Lebanon to attend the funeral of the leader of Hezbollah lmfao

 

[ColoradoIrish]

They went to Lebanon to attend the funeral of the leader of Hezbollah lmfao

Well that changes some things, but not the fact of the Trump admin ignoring court orders which is my biggest gripe.

 

[Tejas]

Well that changes some things, but not the fact of the Trump admin ignoring court orders which is my biggest gripe.

What was the reason for the court order?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

What was the reason for the court order?

For her case to be heard before she was deported

 

[Tejas]

For her case to be heard before she was deported

Ah, thought you talking about the gang members

 

[ab2cmiller]

Well that changes some things, but not the fact of the Trump admin ignoring court orders which is my biggest gripe.

I've seen some stuff talking about the timeline of the decision and flights and such. It looks like there might've been time to turn the flights around.

Even if I give the benefit of the doubt that there may have been confusion and the ability to quickly communicate the necessary information, it's still very problematic that we have Tom Homan saying “We’re not stopping. I don’t care what the judges think, I don’t care what the left thinks, we’re comin.’”

I get the fact that the Admin may totally believe that the Judges orders are pure bullshit, but you just can't choose to ignore the rulings. You appeal and go through the judicial process.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Ah, thought you talking about the gang members

Those were for the same reason

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I've seen some stuff talking about the timeline of the decision and flights and such. It looks like there might've been time to turn the flights around.

Even if I give the benefit of the doubt that there may have been confusion and the ability to quickly communicate the necessary information, it's still very problematic that we have Tom Homan saying “We’re not stopping. I don’t care what the judges think, I don’t care what the left thinks, we’re comin.’”

I get the fact that the Admin may totally believe that the Judges orders are pure bullshit, but you just can't choose to ignore the rulings. You appeal and go through the judicial process.

That's my whole point. I'm completely fine with getting rid criminals and people here illegally. Just do it the right way.

 

[drayer54]

That's my whole point. I'm completely fine with getting rid criminals and people here illegally. Just do it the right way.

Hard pass. The left wants to get all of these people backlogged in court cases for years so they can get back in the office and just let all the gang members stay. Jam everything up in court and the deportation gets halted. Biden's migrant army stays. Plus, it's entirely lawful and it's just a lower judge who will get overturned anyway. It's not like Biden boasting of defying the Supreme Court.
These pricks came here the wrong way and fortunately, the law allows them to be kicked out this way.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Hard pass. The left wants to get all of these people backlogged in court cases for years so they can get back in the office and just let all the gang members stay. Jam everything up in court and the deportation gets halted. Biden's migrant army stays. Plus, it's entirely lawful and it's just a lower judge who will get overturned anyway. It's not like Biden boasting of defying the Supreme Court.
These pricks came here the wrong way and fortunately, the law allows them to be kicked out this way.

So how does an Administration decide which court orders should be followed and which ones they can just ignore?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Hard pass. The left wants to get all of these people backlogged in court cases for years so they can get back in the office and just let all the gang members stay. Jam everything up in court and the deportation gets halted. Biden's migrant army stays. Plus, it's entirely lawful and it's just a lower judge who will get overturned anyway. It's not like Biden boasting of defying the Supreme Court.
These pricks came here the wrong way and fortunately, the law allows them to be kicked out this way.

Hard pass all you want, it's setting up for terrible future precedent allowing any president to disregard court orders

 

[drayer54]

So how does an Administration decide which court orders should be followed and which ones they can just ignore?

I think they have a solid argument here about the deportation being in progress, so I don't see a problem here. When an activist judge tries to halt national policy like this guy did, the administration has a decision point. When it escalates any higher, I think they have to honor the ruling.

 

[drayer54]

Hard pass all you want, it's setting up for terrible future precedent allowing any president to disregard court orders

Some would argue this is not setting a precedent. That was just for handouts too, not even public safety.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Some would argue this is not setting a precedent. That was just for handouts too, not even public safety.

The difference is that went thru courts and got stopped. And the loans that did get forgiven weren't illegal or anything

 

[ab2cmiller]

Some would argue this is not setting a precedent. That was just for handouts too, not even public safety.

And how did you feel about that?

 

[drayer54]

Some would argue this is not setting a precedent. That was just for handouts too, not even public safety.

That was also SCOTUS, not some lone judge.

Here's AI assist-
Yes, there is historical precedent for U.S. Presidents either ignoring or refusing to fully comply with lower court decisions, though such actions are rare and often controversial. Here are a few key examples:

1. Thomas Jefferson and the Judiciary – Jefferson was critical of judicial power and refused to comply with certain court orders, particularly in cases involving his political opponents. For example, after the Supreme Court's decision in Marbury v. Madison (1803), which established judicial review, Jefferson largely disregarded the ruling by continuing to deny William Marbury his commission.
2. Andrew Jackson and Worcester v. Georgia (1832) – The Supreme Court ruled that Georgia had no authority over Cherokee lands. Jackson allegedly responded, "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!" While the exact quote is debated, Jackson did not enforce the ruling, leading to the forced removal of Native Americans in the Trail of Tears.
3. Abraham Lincoln and Habeas Corpus (1861-1863) – During the Civil War, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, and when Chief Justice Roger Taney ruled in Ex parte Merryman that only Congress had that authority, Lincoln ignored the decision. Congress later retroactively approved his actions.
4. Franklin D. Roosevelt and the Gold Clause Cases (1930s) – In the wake of the Great Depression, FDR’s administration defied court decisions that initially opposed his efforts to abandon the gold standard, though the Supreme Court ultimately ruled in his favor in Norman v. Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Co. (1935).
5. Dwight D. Eisenhower and Civil Rights Enforcement (1950s) – While not outright ignoring a lower court ruling, Eisenhower was reluctant to enforce desegregation initially, despite Brown v. Board of Education (1954). However, he later sent federal troops to enforce integration in Little Rock in 1957.

Modern Considerations:​

• Presidents typically do not outright ignore lower court rulings, as they are bound by the Constitution and the rule of law.
• However, they sometimes delay compliance, appeal unfavorable rulings, or find legal workarounds.
• Presidents may also refuse to enforce laws they believe to be unconstitutional (e.g., Obama’s approach to DOMA before it was overturned).

Ignoring a court decision can create a constitutional crisis, as the judiciary has no direct enforcement power—only the executive branch does.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

And how did you feel about that?

At certain point we have to put partisan sides down and worry about how everything effects the future. We're in our current situation because of this. It's been a lot of small things from both parties that got us into this situation.

 

[drayer54]

And how did you feel about that?

Like the POTUS had completely abused his authority because he willfully violated the checks and balances of our country and shamed his office in an attempt to buy shameless votes with taxpayer money. It affirmed my view that Biden was a complete POS and so were the defenders of his actions. I later held the feeling but am open to the idea that it was a staffer with control over the autopen.

Again, it wasn't a lower court and it was blatantly unconstitutional. The two aren't the same.

 

[ab2cmiller]

If the administration chose to honor the current ruling (even if it's likely to be overturn) and pursue the judicial process, how much delay would it really cost?

 

[ab2cmiller]