UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[Irish#1]

I didn't mean to quote your quote but it got linked with Bishops. I respect your article but have done extensive research to that photo and the happenings of the photographers which is summed up in the Rogan/Fox interview and checks out from what I find.

iMO opinion contact has certainly happened and there is a lot to the cover up. Imagine a world where everything you thought to be true wasn't. It's indeed protected more that the atomic bomb. The ontological shock is too much for people who aren't open to the what ifs so to speak.

A study was done on revealing contact and NHI/aliens( and I hate using aliens because I think that term implies something that may not be true....thats a different topic altogether) to us and the repercussions on humanity. the government did this study after Orson Wells War of the Worlds radio broadcast several decades ago and our government deemed it was too much for the mass populous. Some people offed themselves. The technology implies a science we can't understand and possible zero point energy. That's a deep dive and another interesting topic.The Internet makes it harder for a cover up these days.

There isn't going to be a billboard from a Non Human intelligence that says we're here.

Look up 97 Phoenix lights and that's the
closest thing you get to that billboard.
Governor Fife who made a mockery at the time and ran with the stigma now admits that he saw something extraordinary but didn't want to cause chaos.

I'm here to exercise the stigma of the topic that has hindered true scientific discovery.

This phenomenon is so far ahead of us or superior that I don't believe we have the intelect as humans to ever understand in our current times or scientific models but nonetheless doesn't mean it's not true and in fact exists. The ego of mankind is something.
The truth is out there but may not be meant to be understood.

I get where you're coming from, but here's part of my stumbling block. Given all of the sightings over the years, you would think there would be some piece of hard evidence or very clear picture(s) captured by the public and not covered up by the government.

How much of a public panic would we see today? Really hard to say either way, but I think it wouldn't cause wide spread panic given the amount of news we've been subjected to over the last 75 years. Those that killed themselves over the radio broadcast was an extremely small number and probably suffered from some mental illness. Today the ability to get this information out to the public immediately is far greater and infinitely faster than back then when it was basically the printed press and radio which didn't even broadcast 24 hours a day everywhere.

I'm all for it, but still have my reservations.

 

[arahop]

I get where you're coming from, but here's part of my stumbling block. Given all of the sightings over the years, you would think there would be some piece of hard evidence or very clear picture(s) captured by the public and not covered up by the government.

How much of a public panic would we see today? Really hard to say either way, but I think it wouldn't cause wide spread panic given the amount of news we've been subjected to over the last 75 years. Those that killed themselves over the radio broadcast was an extremely small number and probably suffered from some mental illness. Today the ability to get this information out to the public immediately is far greater and infinitely faster than back then when it was basically the printed press and radio which didn't even broadcast 24 hours a day everywhere.

I'm all for it, but still have my reservations.

I agree that I think people can handle it now days. I believe that we are experiencing "soft disclosure" I believe it started in 2017 with the NY Times piece and video of the Gimble and go fast footage.My prediction is that eventually our government will say yes this is happening, but we don't know the origins. Time will tell

 

[Old Man Mike]

To IrishWayDomer: I feel a need to give you the researchers' view on your case, so I will. (I've put a couple of closed-minded arrogant posters on ignore, so I won't have to put up with their repetitive information-less crap. Sorry but that gets irritating as hell after 50 years in the field.)

As to your case specifically: We have lots of Balls-of-Light cases which demonstrate non-inertial motions and "display-for-just-the-observer" characteristics. I have about 300 in my files alone. The Center for UFO Studies far more. Some of these encounters are quite close and leave no room for some simple handwaving brush-off. Witnesses include every sort of person, including military, scientists, police, et al --- every sort of testimony which would stand up in a court of law. We prefer to call them BOL cases instead of "orbs" since pop culture has co-opted that term to lay on to all sorts of misinterpreted camera errors/malfunctions. Then the witnesses jump to paranormal explanations immediately and hypotheses escalate rapidly. So "Balls-of-Light" (BOLs if close, and just LITS --- lights in the sky --- if distant.)

A particularly mysterious type of display involving Lights shows almost with no doubt whatever that the "lighted or self-luminous object" is intelligently controlled is the "astro-alignment." This is a phenomenon which I discovered in the files by reading hundreds of reports closely. I published it originally about 30 years ago. What it shows are instances where a lighted object will describe a path of flight which relates very precisely to the location of a prominent celestial object that the witness is looking at. (I've attached a few examples which will make this clear.) The geometry of the situation means (astoundingly) that the light is describing a path which could only been seen in this precise geometry from one exact spot on the ground (relative angles would throw all other viewpoints off --- and no, that doesn't make it some simple coincidence as the flight paths are long and multi-positioned to maintain the specific relationship.)

The observer thereby is "treated" to a display of object and Moon or Star or Planet which feels like it is just put on for him/her. I have over thirty of these displays in my files, and several of them were apparently put on for astronomers out viewing their favorite pastime. My favorite among these is the Peruvian incident where a family who owned a telescope and optical instruments store walked out on their balcony after dinner and saw a red BOL approach the constellation Orion, stop directly over Rigel, then proceed up to the Belt, cross it stopping at each Belt star, then angle upwards to Betelgeuse, stop over it a moment and then angle away. Because the object can not have been at any great astronomical distance (or its real size would be stellar colossal), parallax considerations mean that only a very small location circle would see that performance occluding the constellation's stars. And who was at that location? Astronomers. A little creepy even, as to what the flyers of that BOL have to know.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Obtuse thinking and scientific ego has handicapped your thinking. You assume that they use modern rocketry and live our life span. What if they aren't biological? What if there are portals? What if they can travel magnitudes faster than the speed of light. What if they've always been here.
What if it's innterdimensional. What if it's ultra terrestrial .What if they are spiritual. What if they are time travelers. So on and so on. The point is we don' know. But there is more evidence that whatever this is exists.

Good grief. You're claiming magic and a bunch of science fiction ideas that don't actually exist in reality. Do you understand why science requires actual evidence? You have none. At all. None.

You're living in a child's fantasy completely disattached from reality. This is like arguing with a 5-year-old about Santa and they're quoting Rudolph The Red-nosed Reindeer and Miracle On 34th Street as their proof. Made up science fiction ideas aren't science. Magic isn’t actual physics. Unsupported claims aren't evidence.

Do you not understand why the ufo cult can't produce a single shred of tangible credible evidence?

 

[IrishWayDomer]

A particularly mysterious type of display involving Lights shows almost with no doubt whatever that the "lighted or self-luminous object" is intelligently controlled is the "astro-alignment." This is a phenomenon which I discovered in the files by reading hundreds of reports closely. I published it originally about 30 years ago. What it shows are instances where a lighted object will describe a path of flight which relates very precisely to the location of a prominent celestial object that the witness is looking at. (I've attached a few examples which will make this clear.) The geometry of the situation means (astoundingly) that the light is describing a path which could only been seen in this precise geometry from one exact spot on the ground (relative angles would throw all other viewpoints off --- and no, that doesn't make it some simple coincidence as the flight paths are long and multi-positioned to maintain the specific relationship.)

To IrishWayDomer: I feel a need to give you the researchers' view on your case, so I will. (I've put a couple of closed-minded arrogant posters on ignore, so I won't have to put up with their repetitive information-less crap. Sorry but that gets irritating as hell after 50 years in the field.)

As to your case specifically: We have lots of Balls-of-Light cases which demonstrate non-inertial motions and "display-for-just-the-observer" characteristics. I have about 300 in my files alone. The Center for UFO Studies far more. Some of these encounters are quite close and leave no room for some simple handwaving brush-off. Witnesses include every sort of person, including military, scientists, police, et al --- every sort of testimony which would stand up in a court of law. We prefer to call them BOL cases instead of "orbs" since pop culture has co-opted that term to lay on to all sorts of misinterpreted camera errors/malfunctions. Then the witnesses jump to paranormal explanations immediately and hypotheses escalate rapidly. So "Balls-of-Light" (BOLs if close, and just LITS --- lights in the sky --- if distant.)

A particularly mysterious type of display involving Lights shows almost with no doubt whatever that the "lighted or self-luminous object" is intelligently controlled is the "astro-alignment." This is a phenomenon which I discovered in the files by reading hundreds of reports closely. I published it originally about 30 years ago. What it shows are instances where a lighted object will describe a path of flight which relates very precisely to the location of a prominent celestial object that the witness is looking at. (I've attached a few examples which will make this clear.) The geometry of the situation means (astoundingly) that the light is describing a path which could only been seen in this precise geometry from one exact spot on the ground (relative angles would throw all other viewpoints off --- and no, that doesn't make it some simple coincidence as the flight paths are long and multi-positioned to maintain the specific relationship.)

The observer thereby is "treated" to a display of object and Moon or Star or Planet which feels like it is just put on for him/her. I have over thirty of these displays in my files, and several of them were apparently put on for astronomers out viewing their favorite pastime. My favorite among these is the Peruvian incident where a family who owned a telescope and optical instruments store walked out on their balcony after dinner and saw a red BOL approach the constellation Orion, stop directly over Rigel, then proceed up to the Belt, cross it stopping at each Belt star, then angle upwards to Betelgeuse, stop over it a moment and then angle away. Because the object can not have been at any great astronomical distance (or its real size would be stellar colossal), parallax considerations mean that only a very small location circle would see that performance occluding the constellation's stars. And who was at that location? Astronomers. A little creepy even, as to what the flyers of that BOL have to know.

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I appreciate your insight. But I think I'm not perfectly following. Understood that not all could see it, you have to be in the right place, right time to get this (reflection?) and the geometry determines if you see it or not.

But what produces/controls the light? I think you're saying here it's an unknown source: "No doubt whatever that the "lighted or self-luminous object" is intelligently controlled is the "astro-alignment."

And unknown is perfectly acceptable, I just want to make sure I'm not getting lost in your explanation and it's some sort of natural occurrence.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Something we can't explain isn't hard evidence, let alone proof. It amazes me that a group whose claims are tenuous, uncorroborated, based on science fiction while ignoring actual science, and haven't produced a single speck of tangible credible hard evidence after decades of trying, get mad that the skeptics don't believe their unsupported conclusions.

I'm very confident there are other intelligent lifeforms in the universe. I also understand science and psychology enough to know that all the ufo stuff from recent decades has nothing to do with them. Until they can produce some actual tangible, credible, hard evidence, they're just playing make believe.

 

[arahop]

To IrishWayDomer: I feel a need to give you the researchers' view on your case, so I will. (I've put a couple of closed-minded arrogant posters on ignore, so I won't have to put up with their repetitive information-less crap. Sorry but that gets irritating as hell after 50 years in the field.)

As to your case specifically: We have lots of Balls-of-Light cases which demonstrate non-inertial motions and "display-for-just-the-observer" characteristics. I have about 300 in my files alone. The Center for UFO Studies far more. Some of these encounters are quite close and leave no room for some simple handwaving brush-off. Witnesses include every sort of person, including military, scientists, police, et al --- every sort of testimony which would stand up in a court of law. We prefer to call them BOL cases instead of "orbs" since pop culture has co-opted that term to lay on to all sorts of misinterpreted camera errors/malfunctions. Then the witnesses jump to paranormal explanations immediately and hypotheses escalate rapidly. So "Balls-of-Light" (BOLs if close, and just LITS --- lights in the sky --- if distant.)

A particularly mysterious type of display involving Lights shows almost with no doubt whatever that the "lighted or self-luminous object" is intelligently controlled is the "astro-alignment." This is a phenomenon which I discovered in the files by reading hundreds of reports closely. I published it originally about 30 years ago. What it shows are instances where a lighted object will describe a path of flight which relates very precisely to the location of a prominent celestial object that the witness is looking at. (I've attached a few examples which will make this clear.) The geometry of the situation means (astoundingly) that the light is describing a path which could only been seen in this precise geometry from one exact spot on the ground (relative angles would throw all other viewpoints off --- and no, that doesn't make it some simple coincidence as the flight paths are long and multi-positioned to maintain the specific relationship.)

The observer thereby is "treated" to a display of object and Moon or Star or Planet which feels like it is just put on for him/her. I have over thirty of these displays in my files, and several of them were apparently put on for astronomers out viewing their favorite pastime. My favorite among these is the Peruvian incident where a family who owned a telescope and optical instruments store walked out on their balcony after dinner and saw a red BOL approach the constellation Orion, stop directly over Rigel, then proceed up to the Belt, cross it stopping at each Belt star, then angle upwards to Betelgeuse, stop over it a moment and then angle away. Because the object can not have been at any great astronomical distance (or its real size would be stellar colossal), parallax considerations mean that only a very small location circle would see that performance occluding the constellation's stars. And who was at that location? Astronomers. A little creepy even, as to what the flyers of that BOL have to know.

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OMM you're a World treasure! Thank you for your research!

 

[arahop]

Good grief. You're claiming magic and a bunch of science fiction ideas that don't actually exist in reality. Do you understand why science requires actual evidence? You have none. At all. None.

You're living in a child's fantasy completely disattached from reality. This is like arguing with a 5-year-old about Santa and they're quoting Rudolph The Red-nosed Reindeer and Miracle On 34th Street as their proof. Made up science fiction ideas aren't science. Magic isn’t actual physics. Unsupported claims aren't evidence.

Do you not understand why the ufo cult can't produce a single shred of tangible credible evidence?

Look at your last 10 responses. Carbon copiest😂😂😂 .

Your problem is that you assume the phenomenon is far away space aliens. Which the phenomenon very well could be.
It's not as simple as you think and I think it could be more than just that or multiple theories.

I'll save you time and peace since you respond the same way every time

.Don't bother littering the thread with your one take . No need to respond to me Bumpkin Bojangles I'll block you but I won't see any evidence of your last response ☮️

 

[arahop]

Garry Nolan multiple year noble prize candidate
Worth the whole watch but 10:30 is a good explanation on data and evidence.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Look at your last 10 responses. Carbon copiest😂😂😂 .

Your problem is that you assume the phenomenon is far away space aliens. Which the phenomenon very well could be.
It's not as simple as you think and I think it could be more than just that or multiple theories.

I'll save you time and peace since you respond the same way every time

.Don't bother littering the thread with your one take . No need to respond to me Bumpkin Bojangles I'll block you but I won't see any evidence of your last response ☮️

Feel free to believe whatever you like. My point is the same: you have absolutely no evidence to support your beliefs and conclusions. Decades from now you'll still be claiming "Smart men" are just about to reveal it all to us and the evidence will astound you and "Any day!" and you'll still never get a single speck of actual hard evidence.

 

[Old Man Mike]

It cannot be a non-intelligent "natural phenomenon" because the alignment requires intentionality. The witnesses are not simply there and blundering into something interesting, because the spatial relationship is so complex and ongoing that it is well past mere "coincidence." There can be unknown natural phenomena which present as BOLs which demonstrate no particularly striking character other than themselves --- the light phenomena at Hessdalen and Yakima are two possible examples of that (although in both areas there have been many cases which DO look like there is some "intent" there.) There are many cases in the literature going way back (and not describable as "swamp gas" nor ball lightning --- the characteristics are not at all matching those two known phenomena) where something like a large low-energy and long lasting globe of light will meander around the landscape for many minutes, usually even seemingly repelled by close approach, but not showing any action which can be interpreted as "interest" nor "intent." Lights drawing lines in the sky (for the benefit of witnesses standing in only one tiny area of sightline) requires a hypothesis containing intent to do so.

There have been hundreds and hundreds of cases where the objects involved (usually "craft-like structures" at close range) display actions as if on a stage for the percipients. Your case is distant and not necessarily interpretable as intent vs random luck on your part, but because of the higher strangeness cases forming a data base of this kind, you and I can at least imagine that the unnatural action that you saw COULD have been intentional for your viewing. What the goal would be for doing that, I refuse to blow speculative smoke about. For me what's important is that we have some form of unexplained, and conventionally unexplainable, phenomena here, and I don't require (as no scientist requires) ultimate causal agency "proof" to acknowledge the level of the mystery. BUT intelligence involvement seems required.

 

[bobbyok1]

I'm shocked, I repeat, shocked

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'm shocked, I repeat, shocked

There's a type of person that, if they were standing in a Wyoming pasture and heard hoofbeats approaching, would think, "Unicorns!" instead of "horses."

 

[IrishWayDomer]

Bishop's going to get himself abducted. You can only poke the gray man so much before they'll get ya.

 

[Rizzophil]

Of course Biden's regime approved the drone. Of course the government lied about it.

 

[IrishWayDomer]

Of course Biden's regime approved the drone. Of course the government lied about it.

Saw that. Words aren't strong enough. Totally insane.

 

[calvegas04]

Of course Biden's regime approved the drone. Of course the government lied about it.

Most normal people assumed it was government, the bigger question is what we're the drones being used for?

 

[ndfanatic78]

Of course Biden's regime approved the drone. Of course the government lied about it.

You guys know the FAA authorizing drones being flown at night isnt anything Earth shattering or a new event? This was already known and reported as a possible reason for the increase in activity. This is absolutely a nothing burger.

 

[NDRock]

You guys know the FAA authorizing drones being flown at night is anything Earth shattering or a new event? This was already known and reported as a possible reason for the increase in activity. This is absolutely a nothing burger.

You know this is America where people lose their minds about politics and think the “other side” is lying, cheating, and destroying this country.

 

[IrishWayDomer]

You guys know the FAA authorizing drones being flown at night is anything Earth shattering or a new event? This was already known and reported as a possible reason for the increase in activity. This is absolutely a nothing burger.

That's true, but they also directly denied it and kept saying they don't know what it is on TV for like 2 weeks.

 

[calvegas04]

That's true, but they also directly denied it and kept saying they don't know what it is on TV for like 2 weeks.

Which is normal for the US government

 

[NDpendent]

I opened this thread for the first time, read through a couple pages and it reinforced my decision to stay out of this thread. Go Irish

 

[bobbyok1]

I've always been amused how the political far left can justify anything their political party does as "no big deal," no matter what it is. As if anything wrong done by their administration is "it is what it is, no biggie."

Yet, somehow, Trump and his administration are Hitler for anything they do or say. Geez, gain some perspective and ability to be critical of your cult . . . I mean party. I have no issue calling out dumb moves by Trump or his administration, like the Stargate Project, it seems like a pretty bad idea/partnership for an administration priding itself on a MAHA unity. (I know, I know, this is proof to you Trump is Hitler and his entire administration is evil).

Approving the NJ drones, remaining silent about it, and then denying they did not know what the drones were is something, not "nothing." It is blatant dishonesty, for one, and is not a great look for any Presidential administration. But that is par for the course for an administration that operated on the MO of lies, corruption, and incompetence.

 

[ndfanatic78]

I've always been amused how the political far left can justify anything their political party does as "no big deal," no matter what it is. As if anything wrong done by their administration is "it is what it is, no biggie."

Yet, somehow, Trump and his administration are Hitler for anything they do or say. Geez, gain some perspective and ability to be critical of your cult . . . I mean party. I have no issue calling out dumb moves by Trump or his administration, like the Stargate Project, it seems like a pretty bad idea/partnership for an administration priding itself on a MAHA unity. (I know, I know, this is proof to you Trump is Hitler and his entire administration is evil).

Approving the NJ drones, remaining silent about it, and then denying they did not know what the drones were is something, not "nothing." It is blatant dishonesty, for one, and is not a great look for any Presidential administration. But that is par for the course for an administration that operated on the MO of lies, corruption, and incompetence.

Really only the far left.🤣🤣🤣🤣

No the right doesn’t do that at all what a shit take. Full disclosure I despise both the democrats and republicans.

I’m done with politics in this thread. Sorry for the derail.

 

[IrishLion]

Keep the politics out one of my safe space threads, please

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

OMM you're a World treasure! Thank you for your research!

His book is excellent.

 

[Irish2155]

Not sure where to put this. Two aviation attacks in two days.

The helicopter knew it should be under 200 but raised straight north a half a mile from the crash. Now Philly gets hit with a plane

 

[Giddyup]

There’s a statistical certainty there is other life in one of the other of trillions of galaxies. There’s also a statistical certainty/probability no form of life can meet each other due to the length of space between each galaxy that people can’t even fathom.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Well suit yourself but it doesn't belong here.
We have threads on "Culture", "Politics", "Economics", "another shooting" all if you're hinting at something conspiratorial. Obviously we have a thread on terrorism too.