'23 IL OT Charles Jagusah (Notre Dame Signee)

[T-Boone]

If you can't see the field at guard, there is no way you should be playing DT.

You need to have great feet to play DT even at a decent level in CFB. Yeah he's big. But a 325Ib guy taking on a double team is not a recipe for success if he can't redistribute his weight while moving and repositioning his feet.

ND can get more from a 280Ib Donovan Hinish than a 325Ib Chan.

No doubt you are right but give him a go I reckon.

 

[LifelongFan]

All I know is the line next year will be maybe the best in the country with legitimately 5 great starters. I have no idea which 5 it will be or which position they'll be at, but I've maybe never been less concerned about a position group than this one in my time as a fan.

 

[CanadalovesND]

All I know is the line next year will be maybe the best in the country with legitimately 5 great starters. I have no idea which 5 it will be or which position they'll be at, but I've maybe never been less concerned about a position group than this one in my time as a fan.

Only two guarantees - Schrauth & Wagner.

 

[NDFAN2008]

I'd almost prefer Coogan playing Center It's hard to match his locker room presents plus how he fires up the team before games. He started all 13 games at Guard in 2013 and will have 12-13 games starting experience this year.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Some guy tried arguing with me on twitter I told him I Gurantee Knapp isn’t your starting LT next year he said you don’t move a freshman all American tackle

You really need to get your best 5 together on the field. Not your five with the most experience, but also not necessarily your five most highly-rated or with the most talent (maybe Coogan is one of them?).

That said, one of the few smart things the Cowboys have done in the last 20 years is move an all-time great ND LT to guard. I like:

Lambert/Black
Schrauth
Knapp/Coogan
Jagusaw
Wagner

But based on his size, Knapp needs to seriously consider center for the NFL. And it solves what will become a log jam at tackle for ND otherwise.

 

[Irish#1]

If you can't see the field at guard, there is no way you should be playing DT.

You need to have great feet to play DT even at a decent level in CFB. Yeah he's big. But a 325Ib guy taking on a double team is not a recipe for success if he can't redistribute his weight while moving and repositioning his feet.

ND can get more from a 280Ib Donovan Hinish than a 325Ib Chan.

You have to have great feet to play O-line. One of the reasons many I like like former wrestlers that play on the O-line is their footwork and ability to fight in a phone booth.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'd almost prefer Coogan playing Center It's hard to match his locker room presents plus how he fires up the team before games. He started all 13 games at Guard in 2013 and will have 12-13 games starting experience this year.

I know NCAA getting crazy with years of eligibility but damn this is getting close to me being able to tie them back up

 

[Irish#1]

You really need to get your best 5 together on the field. Not your five with the most experience, but also not necessarily your five most highly-rated or with the most talent (maybe Coogan is one of them?).

That said, one of the few smart things the Cowboys have done in the last 20 years is move an all-time great ND LT to guard. I like:

Lambert/Black
Schrauth
Knapp/Coogan
Jagusaw
Wagner

But based on his size, Knapp needs to seriously consider center for the NFL. And it solves what will become a log jam at tackle for ND otherwise.

One could say getting your best on the field is pretty standard for all positions. Experience doesn't guarantee you are better than one with less, but that experience is a good head start in many instances. Knapp may eventually get moved, but I doubt he gets moved simply because someone has better measurables. Someone will have to outperform him in practice.

Not sure if the Cowboys were smart or lucky. Most reports said Martin couldn't play tackle and projected him at guard because he has short arms. I think he could have played tackle with no problem. Regardless, they were smart in drafting him.

 

[dankgesang]

Do we know for sure that Craig isn't going to be ready for spring? That'll be about seven months out from the injury.

 

[Irish#1]

Do we know for sure that Craig isn't going to be ready for spring? That'll be about seven months out from the injury.

No

 

[KPENN]

I'd almost prefer Coogan playing Center It's hard to match his locker room presents plus how he fires up the team before games. He started all 13 games at Guard in 2013 and will have 12-13 games starting experience this year.

Coogan gives locker room gifts?

 

[Domina Nostra]

One could say getting your best on the field is pretty standard for all positions. Experience doesn't guarantee you are better than one with less, but that experience is a good head start in many instances. Knapp may eventually get moved, but I doubt he gets moved simply because someone has better measurables. Someone will have to outperform him in practice.

Not sure if the Cowboys were smart or lucky. Most reports said Martin couldn't play tackle and projected him at guard because he has short arms. I think he could have played tackle with no problem. Regardless, they were smart in drafting him.

I didn't say they should move Knapp because he has "better measurables" at C. I said they should consider it because that is where his ceiling is highest long-term. Like X Watt or Zach Martin, it makes sense to move someone good when you are moving them to a position that is even more compatible with their potential. That way you don't have to worry about sacrificing the kid's career for the short-term needs of the team.

Knapp was recruited with Center in mind. So it is likely a good long-term move for him and seems (which could prove wrong) to free up a space at tackle, where we have the best young prospects.

 

[Dale]

ND has a middle of the pack OL in terms of pressure rate and Knapp leads the team in pressures allowed. Call it measurables but, while vastly exceeding expectations at LT, it’s still just damn near objectively true his best position is likely not LT

He basically just ate it on pure toughness against a lot of superior pass rushers

 

[Old Man Mike]

Dale's view is how I saw Knapp this season.

I'm likely wrong, but I did not (yet) see the foot-dance needed for a superior LT.

ZMart was the Uber-supreme Punch-and-Dance LT. His foot placement recovery was so quick that he was always facing the rusher straight up and ready for the next punch. Even Alt was not that good at that, but had astounding length to still be in the way, and astounding leg strength to pull himself back into the face of the rusher. You have to be one or the other. Knapp looks more like Alt, but not (yet) as good. The Biggun (Jagusah) looks on small sample size and high school wrestling dominance like a ZMart puncher with Alt recovery strength. Nobody could dance like ZMart. Jagusah can really hit you and wrestle from balance though.

I didn't know that Knapp was recruited as a center. If the staff sees that, great.

Even with that, next season's FIVE remains mysterious to me. .., but damm it seems all good.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I'd almost prefer Coogan playing Center It's hard to match his locker room presents plus how he fires up the team before games. He started all 13 games at Guard in 2013 and will have 12-13 games starting experience this year.

It’s presence. Now get back to your study hall and pay attention in your English class.

 

[Giddyup]

Pressure rate may have something to do with Riley taking forever to read the field if his first choice isn’t there.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Knapp plays his ass off but his arms are too short and he isn't long enough. Watch the all 22 he does what he's supposed to he punches with the single hand and recovers with the opposite but the Georgia de is longer than him and is already at his chest.

 

[Giddyup]

Knapp saved our season as a frosh. Let’s put a little respeck on that name

 

[Rocketman84]

If you can't see the field at guard, there is no way you should be playing DT.

You need to have great feet to play DT even at a decent level in CFB. Yeah he's big. But a 325Ib guy taking on a double team is not a recipe for success if he can't redistribute his weight while moving and repositioning his feet.

ND can get more from a 280Ib Donovan Hinish than a 325Ib Chan.

I remember a few going from OL to DL, some temporarily (Chris Stewart) and others a career change (Jerry Tillery) seems I remember another since Weis era but the name slips my mind.

 

[NDFAN2008]

I believe someone said Knapp was recruited to play center and like someone mentioned his best bet for NFL would to play center. If I'm the staff I convince him to redshirt next year get your 5 games in of experience. I'd roll with this.
LT: Lambert 6'7 323
LG: Billy Schrauth 6'5 310
Center: Pat Coogan 6'5 310
RG: Charles Jagusah 6'7 330
RT: Aamil Wagner 6'6 291

This would be a massive OL and also we would bring back 3 starters and the potential to bring back everyone for 2026 minus Coogan. Schrauth would have 1 more year left, Lambert 3 years, Wagner 2 years, Jagusah 3 years. Good change Wagner leaves early after next year for the draft you then can move Lambert to RT and Will Black feels in at LT.

 

[Dale]

“If I’m the staff I just start the biggest guys”

 

[Crazy Balki]

I'd almost prefer Coogan playing Center It's hard to match his locker room presents plus how he fires up the team before games. He started all 13 games at Guard in 2013 and will have 12-13 games starting experience this year.

Coogan reminds me of Correll if you added about 20 pounds and 3 inches to his frame.

Correll was as mean as they get, but he was also 6'2 290 on a good day and had short arms. Coogan isn't an athletic specimen, but at 6'5 310, he can definitely move and not get overpowered anywhere near as badly as Correll did.

 

[Giddyup]

Knapp has longer than usual arms, that’s why he’s done good at LT

 

[Rocketman84]

Usually you’re right. However, sometimes really good players get stuck behind guys who are just better. For example, Matt Cassel didn’t start a single game in college, but played 14 years in the NFL.

Good thing Barry Sanders stuck around after being stuck behind Thurman Thomas. All depends on who's in front of you though which is why your decision is key, what do the players value more winning or playing? Now, these days you have the NIL monkey wrench to add as well.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Knapp has longer than usual arms, that’s why he’s done good at LT

He might have long arms for someone who is 6'2 but he doesn't have the length of a regular tackle that's a massive issue. Literally go watch the film it shows up the entire time that's why he's always leaning

 

[Domina Nostra]

He might have long arms for someone who is 6'2 but he doesn't have the length of a regular tackle that's a massive issue. Literally go watch the film it shows up the entire time that's why he's always leaning

Also, good for NCAA at LT doesn't mean good at NFL at LT. He seems like he could have a pro future at C, though.

 

[allenm5333]

Also, good for NCAA at LT doesn't mean good at NFL at LT. He seems like he could have a pro future at C, though.

Zack Martin

 

[Irish du Nord]

Also, good for NCAA at LT doesn't mean good at NFL at LT. He seems like he could have a pro future at C, though.

Or guard. I think that’s more likely than center for next year. We have two really good centers already, granting Craig is coming off injury, and the positional transition requires a bit more than a move to guard. But Knapp may very likely stay at tackle.

 

[irishff1014]

Look this line has had some bad moments, they have had a lot of good moments and they have had some great moments. But with the injuries and a new offense they have been better than I expected. So whoever they decide to play I am 100% ok with.

 

[Dale]