'23 IL OT Charles Jagusah (Notre Dame Signee)

[Dale]

Right unknown is Craig injury timeline, who knows if Spindler or Schrauth needs a clean up or extended rest.

Spring will be pretty interesting

 

[allenm5333]

Right unknown is Craig injury timeline, who knows if Spindler or Schrauth needs a clean up or extended rest.

Spring will be pretty interesting

Rocco and Coogan could transfer if they aren’t a lock to start. Can love the team but returning to sit the bench won’t help nfl future

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I prefer Wagner staying at RT. He seems to like it and he actually has more of a LT build but has always played RT. May be a situation where he is more suited for RT. It is fascinating because the wildcards to this are Will Black and Guerby Lambert. Can either of them be THE LT? If so, that opens things up for Jagusah to play a guard and maybe Knapp at Center. Reality is we have a ton of talent here and should be setup for success.

🤯 amount of offensive line talent

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

🤯 amount of offensive line talent

Joe Rudolph is the man.

 

[NDpendent]

These are very good problems to have

 

[allenm5333]

And no one has said anything about Sammy P and Absher

 

[SDIrishFan]

Rocco and Coogan could transfer if they aren’t a lock to start. Can love the team but returning to sit the bench won’t help nfl future

I get it, but sometimes kids have to be honest with themselves. If they haven't undoubtably earned a starting spot by year 3 or 4, they probably don't have much of an NFL future.

There's nothing wrong with that, ND has more talent than most. Or, maybe they just want to finish their college career as a starter, nothing wrong with that either.

It's a good team problem to have. Not so much a good individual problem.

 

[Irish#1]

Some of you still under estimating Knapp. Hilarious.

Agree. I just don’t see how he is gonna lose his spot after this year unless both those guys are #1 pick material. My best guess would be move Knapp inside or have Jagusah move inside and Knapp stay at LT. We are in a good position at the line for years to come.

Agree about Knapp. He'll have a year of experience under his belt along with another year in the weight room and spring ball before fall camp. That's in addition to whatever work he puts in during the summer. He may get moved, but it's going to be hard to supplant him.

 

[Dale]

If Rocco and Coogan base it off NFL futures, they probably should go to the NFL now, not return to ND or transfer.

If they want to win, stay at ND.

If they want to get paid, maybe someone pays more than ND or a Day 3 or UDFA to transfer.

All 3 are fine decisions.

 

[SDIrishFan]

Agree about Knapp. He'll have a year of experience under his belt along with another year in the weight room and spring ball before fall camp. That's in addition to whatever work he puts in during the summer. He may get moved, but it's going to be hard to supplant him.

I was thinking about this the other day, now that we'll be playing on January 9, and possibly January 20, that the team will essentially have less than two months of "off-season" to devote to the weight room.

I understand they lift all year, obviously, but those gains are limited in-season and I assume during spring when active practices are happening.

The team is basically looking at the past 6 months being "in-season", two months of lifting, a month and a half ish of "spring ball", then four months of off-season/summer workouts.

It's got to be hard to make "gains" with that sort of schedule.

 

[HouseofPain]

Rocco and Coogan could transfer if they aren’t a lock to start. Can love the team but returning to sit the bench won’t help nfl future

If you arent good enough to start on a college team, you arent good enough to go pro

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Start sorting it all out in February after the 'chip.

 

[Dale]

If you arent good enough to start on a college team, you arent good enough to go pro

Traditionally, seems obviously true. There are exceptions. Michigan had multiple UDFAs last year that were backups. Played in past or due to injuries just like these two. I don’t think they had eligibility left though

I mean Zeke couldn’t start here and probably gets a Day 3 or UDFA look

 

[allenm5333]

If you arent good enough to start on a college team, you arent good enough to go pro

That’s why I was suggesting they go transfer. My b

 

[BoredIrish]

If only ND could trade their extra O lineman for D linemen

 

[SWirishfan]

Someone is going to get Wally Pipp'd here, that's for sure.

Someone is going to get Drew Bledsoe'd here, that's for sure

 

[SeekNDestroy]

If you arent good enough to start on a college team, you arent good enough to go pro

Usually you’re right. However, sometimes really good players get stuck behind guys who are just better. For example, Matt Cassel didn’t start a single game in college, but played 14 years in the NFL.

 

[stlnd01]

If only ND could trade their extra O lineman for D linemen

If only.
Related, but it's notable how rarely OLs successfully become DLs, once they're in college anyway. Especially given how many talented OLs get buried on the depth chart, and how many DLs you need for a full rotation.
We've turned a number of RBs and WRs into good DBs over the years, but can't really remember any linemen making that switch successfully. The few who've tried have never really gotten on the field on defense.

 

[stpeteirish]

It is very hard for me to imagine Ashton Craig not starting at center next year. He booted an incumbent starter that went on to be 2nd team all acc at nc state.

Correct. He won the job with his play in 2023 and held it in fall camp when Coogan was losing the LG spot to Pendleton and being moved to C behind Craig. So when Craig is back to 100% he’s ahead of Coogan unless they graded Coogan higher this time around.
Coogan and Spindler are both legitimate transfer possibilities with all the younger talent on hand

 

[GoIrish41]

If only.
Related, but it's notable how rarely OLs successfully become DLs, once they're in college anyway. Especially given how many talented OLs get buried on the depth chart, and how many DLs you need for a full rotation.
We've turned a number of RBs and WRs into good DBs over the years, but can't really remember any linemen making that switch successfully. The few who've tried have never really gotten on the field on defense.

Tillery was recruited as an OL but got moved immediately to DL. I can’t think of anyone else.

 

[stlnd01]

Tillery was recruited as an OL but got moved immediately to DL. I can’t think of anyone else.

Yep. Tillery's who I was thinking of with "once they're in college." He played as a freshman at DL. Once in awhile in the spring they've tried DL with a guy who wasn't seeing the field at OL - John Montelus a few years back, IIRC - but it never seems to work.
I get that they are wired differently, maybe moreso than skill players, but you'd think some could make that switch.

 

[NDFAN2008]

If only ND could trade their extra O lineman for D linemen

I’d move TY Chan to DT or see if he’s interest 6’5 325 lbs he sure is big enough

 

[CanadalovesND]

I’d move TY Chan to DT or see if he’s interest 6’5 325 lbs he sure is big enough

If you can't see the field at guard, there is no way you should be playing DT.

You need to have great feet to play DT even at a decent level in CFB. Yeah he's big. But a 325Ib guy taking on a double team is not a recipe for success if he can't redistribute his weight while moving and repositioning his feet.

ND can get more from a 280Ib Donovan Hinish than a 325Ib Chan.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

LT - Jagusah
LG - Schrauth
C -
RG -
RT - A. Wagner

C and RG are selected between - Knapp, Craig, Spindler, Coogan, Pendleton, Absher, Lambert, Otting, Jones

If Lambert is someone capable of emerging and taking the LT spot, then Jag moves inside to man the guard positions with Schrauth and Center becomes the most highly contested position - Knapp, Craig, Coogan and Otting all appear capable of challenging.

Schrauth, Jagusah and Wagner have to be 3 of the 5, right?

 

[allenm5333]

LT - Jagusah
LG - Schrauth
C -
RG -
RT - A. Wagner

C and RG are selected between - Knapp, Craig, Spindler, Coogan, Pendleton, Absher, Lambert, Otting, Jones

If Lambert is someone capable of emerging and taking the LT spot, then Jag moves inside to man the guard positions with Schrauth and Center becomes the most highly contested position - Knapp, Craig, Coogan and Otting all appear capable of challenging.

Schrauth, Jagusah and Wagner have to be 3 of the 5, right?

Why does Jagusah have to be a guaranteed starter? One career start. Seems the staff loves him but you don't know how things can change

 

[Giddyup]

Ty Chan would probably fuck shit up as a DL. Hope that Farron guy moves to DL but he may be an all star at center. Save us Rudolph.

 

[allenm5333]

Ty Chan would probably fuck shit up as a DL. Hope that Farron guy moves to DL but he may be an all star at center. Save us Rudolph.

The criticism is he is slow and not agile.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Why does Jagusah have to be a guaranteed starter? One career start. Seems the staff loves him but you don't know how things can change

Because the staff loves him. Because he's apparently very agile, was already set to be the LT starter and will now have another year of Landow and coaching. He won't have the experience but I'd bet a lot of dollars (relative) that he'll be one of the 3 starters next fall, barring injury.

 

[IAIrish]

I hope we see next year's line play to its potential since most agree it's immense. If those studs play to up to it, they could lead another ground and pound offense to the playoffs with a talented young qb making defenses pay for crowding the los.

It's how ND teams should be built, as Freeman has reiterated.
Depending on who exits, it appears there'll be some depth to handle the inevitable injury or two.

 

[Dale]

The thing with penciling Jagusah at LT for 2024 was:

A) alternative was Tosh Baker and
B) you had a running QB with Leonard

I think you are more prone to consider him at OG this time around with:

A) Lambert, Knapp, Black as alternatives and
B) a passing QB in Carr

Maybe he is the best LT anyways but would have to assume the decision is approached slightly differently this time around