2024-25 BOWL GAME WATCH PARTY

[ND87]

Chicago and Cleveland could have domes if you’re looking way off. Otherwise it’s Minnesota and Indy for now

*cough* Detroit *cough*

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

MAC should be 5-2

 

[Dale]

*cough* Detroit *cough*

They’ve got a prestigious bowl already

 

[Irish du Nord]

Cotton Bowl yes.
Peach Bowl who cares.

Mercedes Benz is such a lifeless stadium imo. GT messed up playing us there.

 

[wizards8507]

Having this round of games on campus as well would be fine.

The logistics don't work.

These college towns can't host 150,000 people on New Year's Eve / New Year's Day with less than two weeks notice. They don't have the hotel inventory, flight inventory, stadium staffing, campus staffing, etc.

 

[stlnd01]

The logistics don't work.

These college towns can't host 150,000 people on New Year's Eve / New Year's Day with less than two weeks notice. They don't have the hotel inventory, flight inventory, stadium staffing, campus staffing, etc.

Four of them just managed to do it the weekend before Christmas. I bet they could figure it out for New Years Day.
I know flights are tricky but that is disproportionately a Notre Dame issue. We’re mostly talking state schools with largely-local fan bases who can drive.

 

[NDRock]

The logistics don't work.

These college towns can't host 150,000 people on New Year's Eve / New Year's Day with less than two weeks notice. They don't have the hotel inventory, flight inventory, stadium staffing, campus staffing, etc.

This year, all four teams that received byes knew on December 9th. Seems like plenty of time to prepare for a game.

 

[wizards8507]

This year, all four teams that received byes knew on December 9th. Seems like plenty of time to prepare for a game.

December 20 is a world of difference from January 1 on a college campus. Absolutely night and day.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Have to hand it to Kiffin. He restored some Southern Pride last night and at least got the dub that Alabama, South Carolina and Miami could not.

 

[IA4irish]

Still saying the same crap

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

They brought it on themselves, and to be fair, long before Kiffin got to Ole Miss. Though he was in Knoxville for a brief stint.

He's right about The Draft, but that's individual talent. It shouldn't factor into choosing and seeding 12 teams for a playoff. As a Bears fan, you're damn right I want them to draft SEC players if best available. I also kind of want to have winners, too, though.

I say don't have conferences then. If being 8-4 in one makes you superior to a 10-2 in another, that isn't a world I want to live in as a fan. Results matter. They wanted these super conferences and now they have them. The Portal, NIL have equalized a lot of the field. You're not 2-3 deep at every position. You may have to coach some kids now. Sorry.

 

[NDPhilly]

Ole Miss played Duke at almost full strength while Duke was without their starting QB and many others. Duke is #62 in sargarin and #60 in FPI despite their record. This win proves literally nothing.

 

[Bishop2b5]

If being 8-4 in one makes you superior to a 10-2 in another, that isn't a world I want to live in as a fan. Results matter.

I don't understand this mindset. Not all conferences are equal. Going 8-4 in a strong conference against strong opposition can be a much bigger accomplishment than going 10-2 in a weak one against bad opposition. Having a great record against air isn't much of an indication of greatness. We've seen lots of teams over the years who were 12-0 or 11-1 against 3rd tier competition and when they run into a good team with, perhaps, a lesser record, they get exposed and demolished. Record/resume are important, but who it was achieved against has to be taken into consideration.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Should Army have been in using your framework? On selection day they had yet to lose to Navy and their only loss was to us.

Speaks to another issue. P4 and G5.

Is Army one of the 12 best teams in America? I'm going to say no.

 

[Dale]

I don't understand this mindset. Not all conferences are equal. Going 8-4 in a strong conference against strong opposition can be a much bigger accomplishment than going 10-2 in a weak one against bad opposition. Having a great record against air isn't much of an indication of greatness. We've seen lots of teams over the years who were 12-0 or 11-1 against 3rd tier competition and when they run into a good team with, perhaps, a lesser record, they get exposed and demolished. Record/resume are important, but who it was achieved against has to be taken into consideration.

You’re basically saying good losses > wins.


That isn’t how sports should ever work

One game you can argue. But multiple wins gap? FOH

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I was good with the 12 teams. The seeding not so much.

And yes, the "good loss" argument is terrible and is going to be an SEC parroting point for the foreseeable future. Do not want.

 

[NDohio]

I don't understand this mindset. Not all conferences are equal. Going 8-4 in a strong conference against strong opposition can be a much bigger accomplishment than going 10-2 in a weak one against bad opposition. Having a great record against air isn't much of an indication of greatness. We've seen lots of teams over the years who were 12-0 or 11-1 against 3rd tier competition and when they run into a good team with, perhaps, a lesser record, they get exposed and demolished. Record/resume are important, but who it was achieved against has to be taken into consideration.

Yes but the question is what is the definition of a strong conference? Some conferences get the benefit of the doubt that their teams are better than teams from other conferences - even when they lose to teams from the "lesser" conference. So much of college football is based on eye-test and AP/Coaches Polls that don't necessarily tell the true story.

 

[Rasputin]

I don't understand this mindset. Not all conferences are equal. Going 8-4 in a strong conference against strong opposition can be a much bigger accomplishment than going 10-2 in a weak one against bad opposition. Having a great record against air isn't much of an indication of greatness. We've seen lots of teams over the years who were 12-0 or 11-1 against 3rd tier competition and when they run into a good team with, perhaps, a lesser record, they get exposed and demolished. Record/resume are important, but who it was achieved against has to be taken into consideration.

You're right and you're wrong.

Where Bishop was right: Going 12-0 and 11-1 against 3rd tier competition is not an indication of greatness.
Where Biship was wrong: But it isn't an indication that there isn't greatness there either. That's still a TBD and the 12 team playoff sorts that out.

Where Bishop was right: Going 8-4 in a strong conference can be a bigger accomplishment.
Where Bishop was wrong: If a team goes 8-4 in their own conference they aren't even one of the top 3 teams in their own conference. You can't finish 4th or worse in your conference and have any claim to being the best team in the country. There is nothing further TBD.

 

[Irish#1]

I don't understand this mindset. Not all conferences are equal. Going 8-4 in a strong conference against strong opposition can be a much bigger accomplishment than going 10-2 in a weak one against bad opposition. Having a great record against air isn't much of an indication of greatness. We've seen lots of teams over the years who were 12-0 or 11-1 against 3rd tier competition and when they run into a good team with, perhaps, a lesser record, they get exposed and demolished. Record/resume are important, but who it was achieved against has to be taken into consideration.

I'd say they are this year and the indication is that trend is going to continue. The gap may still be there with some conferences but as a whole it looks like that gap the SEC loved to talk about is over with NIL and the portal.

It's also interesting that the SEC never paid players, but now that NIL and the portal are here the stock piling of talent has disappeared in the SEC.

 

[pumpdog20]

Why am I supposed to be scared of OSU again??? Because they got a good offense led by a good QB, a really good RB, and great WRs, and really good defense???

Oh, you mean exactly like last year where it took us playing with 10 guys twice in a row at the end of the game to beat us.

Fuck 'em, Go IRISH!

 

[IHateMarkMay]

I don't quite understand the argument from Kiffen. The CFP put the three best SEC teams in. They were 7-1, 6-2, and 6-2. Quite a few at 5-3. Based on SEC records, those were the best three. ONE made it to the top 4.

If the football is so much better in that conference, wouldn't we see all 3, or at least 2, in the top 4?

 

[greyhammer90]

You're right and you're wrong.

Where Bishop was right: Going 12-0 and 11-1 against 3rd tier competition is not an indication of greatness.
Where Biship was wrong: But it isn't an indication that there isn't greatness there either. That's still a TBD and the 12 team playoff sorts that out.

Where Bishop was right: Going 8-4 in a strong conference can be a bigger accomplishment.
Where Bishop was wrong: If a team goes 8-4 in their own conference they aren't even one of the top 3 teams in their own conference. You can't finish 4th or worse in your conference and have any claim to being the best team in the country. There is nothing further TBD.

Exactly. The point of the playoffs is not to find the 12 best teams. The goal is to identify the best team. Ole Miss complaining about not being in that conversation after losing multiple games to non-contenders like Kentucky and Florida is just pure entitlement. They MIGHT be a top 12 team, but I know for damn sure that they aren't the best team in the country.

 

[CoachB]

I don't understand this mindset. Not all conferences are equal. Going 8-4 in a strong conference against strong opposition can be a much bigger accomplishment than going 10-2 in a weak one against bad opposition. Having a great record against air isn't much of an indication of greatness. We've seen lots of teams over the years who were 12-0 or 11-1 against 3rd tier competition and when they run into a good team with, perhaps, a lesser record, they get exposed and demolished. Record/resume are important, but who it was achieved against has to be taken into consideration.

Agree. Going 9-3 this year in the SEC apparently isn't as impressive as going 8-4 in a better conference like the Big 10.

 

[NDRock]

I don't quite understand the argument from Kiffen. The CFP put the three best SEC teams in. They were 7-1, 6-2, and 6-2. Quite a few at 5-3. Based on SEC records, those were the best three. ONE made it to the top 4.

If the football is so much better in that conference, wouldn't we see all 3, or at least 2, in the top 4?

He’s just arguing that the reason he’s never actually won anything as a head coach is because other teams are good and it’s tough to beat them.

 

[CoachB]

Yeah, I don't need to see the rematches. Ole Miss had their chances and they blew it. You lose one of those, they are still good. You lose two, even then you are still good. You lose three, that's on you, you don't deserve to be in.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

He’s just arguing that the reason he’s never actually won anything as a head coach is because other teams are good and it’s tough to beat them.

Fair, but then he isn't one of the best in the conference. The conference's best teams went (by wins and losses against teams within) and he wasn't one.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Why am I supposed to be scared of OSU again??? Because they got a good offense led by a good QB, a really good RB, and great WRs, and really good defense???

Oh, you mean exactly like last year where it took us playing with 10 guys twice in a row at the end of the game to beat us.

Fuck 'em, Go IRISH!

I’d argue they were a better team two years ago with Stoud and barely beat us with TB26 quarterbacking.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'd say they are this year and the indication is that trend is going to continue. The gap may still be there with some conferences but as a whole it looks like that gap the SEC loved to talk about is over with NIL and the portal.

It's also interesting that the SEC never paid players, but now that NIL and the portal are here the stock piling of talent has disappeared in the SEC.

I never mentioned the SEC. I just made the point that the strength of opposition a record is achieved against is important.

 

[Irishdawg]

MN gophers, who lost to PSU 26-25, playing Va.Tech. In the Dukes mayo bowl

 

[Punky]

MN gophers, who lost to PSU 26-25, playing Va.Tech. In the Dukes mayo bowl

VT just hit a 60 yd field goal to end the half. Still down though, 21-10