Presidential Election 2024

[Sea Turtle]

Beyoncé must have had tiered pricing.

5 minute speech - 1 million
1 song - 2 million
30 minute concert - 10 million

Harris must’ve went the budget route

It was 10 million for 3 minutes.

I wonder how much Harrison Ford charged to lose his man card?

 

[Irish#1]

I agree, I think its all wrong. Musk is a very unique circumstance tho and shouldn't be judged through the same lense as others.

What about the other billionaires that contribute? Same lens or different? They can use Twitter anytime they want. They just prefer to work in the background.

 

[ab2cmiller]

 

[ColoradoIrish]

What about the other billionaires that contribute? Same lens or different? They can use Twitter anytime they want. They just prefer to work in the background.

Similar lense*. I personally think there should be way more rules on spending for campaigns and donations contributions. We should apply the same standards to everyone but have to understand that some situations are different and then judge accordingly. My issue isn't with him being owner of Twitter. That's probably a different conversation to be had. It's because of his role of a government contractor and how he stands to benefit in that realm.

I think it's absolutely absurd that Harris' campaign paid the amounts of money they did for entertainers. And it's further proof to how out of touch the party is.

 

[RDU Irish]

Paid shills are nothing like billionaire contributors who join the campaign trail on their own dime. It's a Toronto level deflection of a valid point based in TDS hating.

How do we rank "supporters" who were blackmailed with Diddy deets? That is the real question inquiring minds want to know.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not sure how I feel about all those celebrities taking millions for endorsements. I was under the impression some of them actually cared about their party and were doing this because they actually thought it was to "save their country." Should I be happy that they drained Kamala's coffers? I'm conflicted.

 

[Irish#1]

Similar lense*. I personally think there should be way more rules on spending for campaigns and donations contributions. We should apply the same standards to everyone but have to understand that some situations are different and then judge accordingly. My issue isn't with him being owner of Twitter. That's probably a different conversation to be had. It's because of his role of a government contractor and how he stands to benefit in that realm.

I think it's absolutely absurd that Harris' campaign paid the amounts of money they did for entertainers. And it's further proof to how out of touch the party is.

I don't disagree. Those other billionaires I mentioned would include many who have government contracts or may land them. We have the laws in place now for contributions and spending. Everyone always finds a way to get around them.

 

[TorontoGold]

Paid shills are nothing like billionaire contributors who join the campaign trail on their own dime. It's a Toronto level deflection of a valid point based in TDS hating.

How do we rank "supporters" who were blackmailed with Diddy deets? That is the real question inquiring minds want to know.

lmao what does any of this mean.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not sure how I feel about all those celebrities taking millions for endorsements. I was under the impression some of them actually cared about their party and were doing this because they actually thought it was to "save their country." Should I be happy that they drained Kamala's coffers? I'm conflicted.

I read something the other day about Harris creditors not getting paid for services.

 

[Irish#1]

lmao what does any of this mean.

Do you have notifications set to notify you every time someone posts your name or replies to your post? I have this weird correlation of you and Beetlejuice. lol

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Paid shills are nothing like billionaire contributors who join the campaign trail on their own dime. It's a Toronto level deflection of a valid point based in TDS hating.

How do we rank "supporters" who were blackmailed with Diddy deets? That is the real question inquiring minds want to know.

It's not a deflection when the person in question Elon, is a shill with a job promised to him in the administration and he stands to make billions when the man he was shilling for got elected. It's a total disingenuous argument. Both deserve criticism but the situations aren't apples to apples and it's why a discussion about it should be had

 

[TorontoGold]

Do you have notifications set to notify you every time someone posts your name or replies to your post? I have this weird correlation of you and Beetlejuice. lol

No, same notifications as everyone else. I don't run away like some of our friends

 

[RDU Irish]

It's not a deflection when the person in question Elon, is a shill with a job promised to him in the administration and he stands to make billions when the man he was shilling for got elected. It's a total disingenuous argument. Both deserve criticism but the situations aren't apples to apples and it's why a discussion about it should be had

Celebrities paid to perform versus business guy paying to be heard. The proper corollary to Elon is George Soros or Koch Bros not entertainers being paid to entertain. It's a terrible analogy where you are pulling a Toronto "yeah but" to change the conversation instead of addressing the point at hand. At least be more discrete and pull Cuban into the chat before your end goal of hating on Elon.

Yes Beelejuice, you are such a disingenuous poster that you are becoming a Roy Munson.

 

[TorontoGold]

Ok. To start, I’m not a registered democrat. So that’s that.

Now, I feel compelled to demonstrate for everyone just how much of a simpleton you are as it relates to this issue.

One has to wonder why you’re so willing to die on this hill of simple minded bullshit?

My primary sources are info from when I obtained a minor in history back in the early 90’s as well as a short but very well researched essay by historian Kevin M Kruse.

After the Civil War and post Lincoln’s assassination during reconstruction the parties began to slow converge on the issue of race.

Case in point, the Republicans let the reforms that began under reconstruction fall by the wayside during the Johnson administration which included pardoning many of the souths leaders. In relatively short order Johnson allowed the rise of Jim Crow and the Klan.

Every Republican on the Supreme Court voted in favor of Plessy vs Ferguson in 1896.

When the Klan made its big comeback in the 20’s (the second Klan which is an important distinction) it did in fact have members of both parties. In the south, Democrats and in the midwest, Republicans and was a nation wide phenomenon.

During the new deal and 1930’s a majority of African Americans began to move towards democrats with Rosevelt receiving 71 percent of African American votes in 1936. In 1936 44 percent of African Americans had registered as democrats while 37 registered as republican.

In 36 the Democrats also changed their party nominating rules to remove the 2/3rds majority rule in terms of nominating the Pres and VP. That effectively stripped the southern states of a long held veto power regarding who was nominated.

In 38 Rosevelt backed 3 more liberal southerners in the primaries against three of the more conservative (racist) senators. The more conservative members held on to win but it was a shot across the bow.

In response to all this Democratic Senator Carter Glass from Virginia asked if southern democrats “will have the spirit and courage enough to face the new Reconstruction era the northern so-called Democrats are menacing with us”.

So for about 10 years during the new deal era the democrats were a weird coalition that had both southern racists and the majority of African Americans.

As per my previous post 48 was kind of a watershed year with the republicans getting creamed yet again nationally while they continued to lose ground with African Americans and that’s when they began to look at ways to align and pull in the Dixiecrats (who identified as their own party and ran Thurmond as an opposition candidate to Truman) and the realignment began in earnest.

I thought I was going to get a history lesson on why you are so wrong. Oh well, guess the babysitters decided it was time to move on. lol

 

[ColoradoIrish]

There's no corollary to musk, because no one stands to benefit directly as much as him. I wasn't trying to derail the conversation either. Cuban doesn't have billions in government contracts to benefit from. He also wasn't telling the masses if Trump wins it's over for him like Elon was. It's about accountability, which I've made clear the whole time. I'll say it again Harris campaign spending millions on entertainers was moronic, shows how out of touch she and her campaign are. If you want to be critical of those celebrities endorsing her, then we're allowed to be critical of those endorsing him and why.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I called it an investment because he will be getting paid through military contracts more so than ever before

It legitimately helps that Space X is providing the US Military and other governmental agencies an incredible amount of capability for pennies on the dollar compared to other commercial avenues. They were raking it in even before Trump got elected. Honestly he only stood to lose a BUNCH if some of the more vengeful on the left that are calling for the government to strip away all of their had their way. It's sort of like Jordan's philosophy, both Democrats and Republicans love to buy satellites to fuel the military. I genuinely think he has strong convictions, which led him to buy Twitter at such an exorbitant price

 

[ColoradoIrish]

It legitimately helps that Space X is providing the US Military and other governmental agencies an incredible amount of capability for pennies on the dollar compared to other commercial avenues. They were raking it in even before Trump got elected. Honestly he only stood to lose a BUNCH if some of the more vengeful on the left that are calling for the government to strip away all of their had their way. It's sort of like Jordan's philosophy, both Democrats and Republicans love to buy satellites to fuel the military. I genuinely think he has strong convictions, which led him to buy Twitter at such an exorbitant price

Don't disagree at all. No one has the reach in such a multitude of a sectors as he does, which is exactly why he is such a unique case and there's really no one we could compare him too.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Cc: you know who you are

 

[NorthDakota]

Not arguing your point, but let's be honest. There's a lot more people on both sides than just Musk contributing in hopes of getting their back scratched. They just don't tweet a hundred times a day.

Homer Hickam and Buzz Aldrin both endorsed Donald and cited his willingness to let people dream big in space. In Homer's case, he straight up said Kamala is an airhead.

I'm sure Elon started working with Trump for similar reasons on top of the illiberal anti-speech stuff dems have been pursuing. Not to mention losing a child to transgenderism.

If I was a wealthy celebrity, I think I wouldn't accept/demand payment for an endorsement/appearance if only because it reflects very badly to all of your fans. Fans on your side will call you a selfish mercenary and fans not on your side will call you much worse.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The guys in Iran had the balls to fire ballistic missiles directly at US troops stationed in Iraq in January of 2020.

According to Wikipedia “The strike was the largest ballistic missile attack ever against U.S. forces abroad.” and “110 US troops suffered traumatic brain injuries from concussions they sustained.”.

China conducted military exercises around Taiwan in 2018, 2019 and 2020 one of which included a simulated invasion of Taiwan.

Iran knew Trump was out in Jan 2020 and old Joe was coming in. Great timing.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Things were certainly happening all over the planet.

1. China

Why China-Taiwan Relations Are So Tense

Taiwan has the potential to be a flash point in U.S.-China relations. U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s trip to Taipei in 2022 heightened tensions.

www.cfr.org

China holds military drill as US envoy visits Taiwan

The military drills near the Taiwan Strait comes as China accuses the US and Taiwan of "collusion".

www.bbc.com

Why US-China relations are at their lowest point in decades

Tensions between the US and China are escalating at a dizzying pace. So what will happen next?

www.bbc.com

2. Russia

Russia-Ukraine War | Map, Casualties, Timeline, Death Toll, Causes, & Significance | Britannica

The origins of the Russia-Ukraine War begin in February 2014 with the covert invasion of the Ukrainian autonomous republic of Crimea by disguised Russian troops. The conflict expanded in April 2014 when Russians and local proxy forces seized territory in Ukraine’s Donbas region. On February 24...

www.britannica.com

3. Iran

Israel says latest Syria airstrike thwarted 'imminent' attack by Iranian drones

The Israeli military carried out a late-night attack on targets inside Syria Saturday in what it described as a successful effort to thwart a "very imminent" Iranian drone strike.

www.foxnews.com

Things happening does not equate to everything we've seen in the last 4 years.

 

[TorontoGold]

Things happening does not equate to everything we've seen in the last 4 years.

These things prove your statement to be false.

 

[Bluto]

Iran knew Trump was out in Jan 2020 and old Joe was coming in. Great timing.

Biden was sworn in a year later. Iranians are psychic?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

These things prove your statement to be false.

Not quite. Keep practicing, though.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Biden was sworn in a year later. Iranians are psychic?

That kind of action from Iran towards the end of a US president's term...call it what you want to. There's a reason their psychopath leaders were rooting for Kamala to win.

 

[drayer54]

Biden clearly voted Trump. His smile is back.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Biden clearly voted Trump. His smile is back.

I wanna see the two play a golf match. Neutral course. PGA rules pros shadow both. Riding carts allowed.

 

[Giddyup]

Dank Brandon finally saw the light after 82 yrs. It’s beautiful. This has be the weirdest turn about at the presidential level I’ve ever seen.

 

[TorontoGold]

Argument didn't shift at all and my original point stands. Between 2017 and 2021 China wasn't flexing on Taiwan, Russia wasn't invading Ukraine, and the guys in Iran didn't have the balls to fire missiles at Israel.

Not quite. Keep practicing, though.

These are all wrong statements. China was certainly flexing on Taiwan, Russia was funding separatists in the Donbas region, and Iran was launching missiles at Israel through proxies. No matter how you spin it, there were still events were still happening.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Biden clearly voted Trump. His smile is back.

Trumps like 'I can't believe they dumped you for her after saving their asses 4 years ago'.